Foreign Warships Will Need Iran's Permission to Pass through Strait of Horm

[IranZamin]

^^ Yes,incase of an blockade on Irans oil exports (which is an act of war btw) we wont let any peace prevail in the waters of the Persian gulf, including the straits of Hormuz (and beyond)

 

[Xeric]

Ah...So just because the US did not ratify UNCLOS that give Iran the right to threaten any ship, civilian or military, passing through the strait.

i never said that, but now as you have brought it up i must ask why it is (always) that the US would either ratify (take a lead role) or otherwise (stay put) over a law that would (most likely) have to do something with some sorta controversy? - this means that the US would either like to leave an ambiguity over issues that are likely to aid her (in future) or conversely she would clarify certain rulings very lucidly so that other nations are 'caught' at the very moment they break them.

Anywaz, whereas UNCLOS dont give the right to Iran to 'threaten any ships', but it gives the US an 'excuse' to play its game if we keep the fact that, "according to UNCLOS, if there are islands lying off a nation’s coast then the 12 miles (territorial waters) extend from the outermost island", in mind i.e. if the islands belong to Iran, Iran very well can exercise its right on "its" territorial waters (territorial sea is regarded as the sovereign territory of the state), which in this case would probably include the shipping routes inside the Strait of Hormoz, no?

No wonder the US did not ratify UNCLOS - as they say, if you cant convince them, confuse them. Especially with UAE (a pro-western country) also laying claim on those islands.

 

[Arian]

What's the difference between the strait of Hormoz and the Suez Canal? Would someone explain this to me in terms of internationally recognized laws? Thanks.

 

[Mosamania]

What's the difference between the strait of Hormoz and the Suez Canal? Would someone explain this to me in terms of internationally recognized laws? Thanks.

Suez canal was built by Egyptians and Egyptian land is to both it's sides. The strait of hormoz is first a natural strait second it's much much wider than the suez canal theirs it is shared by two nations meaning no one can lay claim of it.

The Bosphors strait that cuts Istanbul in half for instance is considered international waters and it is the narrowest intentional navigation strait on the world that and I repeat it crosses Istanbul in half.

 

[regular]

Mr. Nothing,

Why the gratuitous swipe at the USA? In what way does the USA threaten shipping that passes anywhere in the world? Please explain how the behavior of the USA is relevant to this proposed Iranian diktat.

Sir! US always stopped and searched the North Korean Merchant ships while passing through international waters....and put restrictions on their passage by force.The same thing has been done through force by the Israelis warships for any freedom Flotillas/humanitarian aid ships going to Gaza through international waters...

 

[Jiang]

What's the difference between the strait of Hormoz and the Suez Canal? Would someone explain this to me in terms of internationally recognized laws? Thanks.

Suez canal is artificial, and need to be constantly maintained. It's wholly owned by Egyptian government and it provides a revenue stream in the form of tolls. Egyptians can stop operating the canal, thereby sealing it, and it is legal for them to do that.

Strait of Hormuz is mostly international water and is owned by no one except a coastal range of 12km, so it's technically illegal for Iran to seal it.

 

[Pak47]

If war does ensue what countries will ally with Iran? Even most Muslim countries won't help the Iranians in this one.

 

[Delhi-Belly]

india should back iran and helps israel-iran relations to improve

 

[Pak47]

india should back iran and helps israel-iran relations to improve

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Indians have best relations with the US now than any other time in their history. India won't support Iran, but maybe remain neutral for.. india also wants the Iran pipe line to go through while keeping friendly relations with the U.S.

 

[regular]

If war does ensue what countries will ally with Iran? Even most Muslim countries won't help the Iranians in this one.

I guess Iran sholdn't even look/think to any Muslim country in the world for aid or help within war except the God/Allah SBWT cuz he is the only one to help Iran if the war erupts with the US....

 

[Mosamania]

Suez canal is artificial, and need to be constantly maintained. It's wholly owned by Egyptian government and it provides a revenue stream in the form of tolls. Egyptians can stop operating the canal, thereby sealing it, and it is legal for them to do that.

Strait of Hormuz is mostly international water and is owned by no one except a coastal range of 12km, so it's technically illegal for Iran to seal it.

When I saw the video of the Iranian navy commander saying "Hormoz is ours and it is under our control" I felt repulsed. You know I naturally would not have agreed to the huge military deal with the US but seeing that threat made me know that it is only to protect the intrests of our nation. I have been opposed to it here for mo ths as everyone here knows but right now I can not wait for the naval deal because simply we need it or we will suffer being helpless when our main trade route is cut.

 

[Serpentine]

Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22 km)-Wikipedia
Because Oman's territorial waters are too shallow for huge tankers and ACs,they have to cross Iran's territorial waters and
Iran can stop any warship or submarine that can be an existential threat to it's security.
imagine Iran had lot's of nuclear submarines and ACs.How would U.S react if this warships or submarines were always hanging around U.S territorial waters?Doesn't U.S see that as a threat? So can Iran.

 

[Harry_Thomason]

Interesting, and how Iran would enforce that? Lets say US warship on Iran's territorial waters ignores Iran Navy requests and continues movement? If Iran starts shooting, I dont think US would want war alone against Iran, they would rather run to UN claiming "Iran started the war!" Pushing resolution of a whole NATO "humanitarian intervention" in Iran.

I'm curious why Iran is going for a full scale confrontation with US now? Granted, Obama just signed sanctions on Irans central bank and oil, but this law wont become fully active another 6 months. Maybe Iran feels it waited long enough for a peaceful resolution, and since its not going to happen, the more they wait - the weaker they would become due to increasingly choking sanctions? So if war happens, Iran thinks its better now than later.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

When I saw the video of the Iranian navy commander saying "Hormoz is ours and it is under our control" I felt repulsed. You know I naturally would not have agreed to the huge military deal with the US but seeing that threat made me know that it is only to protect the intrests of our nation. I have been opposed to it here for mo ths as everyone here knows but right now I can not wait for the naval deal because simply we need it or we will suffer being helpless when our main trade route is cut.

You have seen how I supported Saudi Arabia when ignorant members here insulted Saudi Arabia. But let me express my disagreement to your idea. If Iran can close the strait while being under sanctions and embargo and political isolation due to USA, why can not Saudi Arabia/Gulf Arabs build your own anti-ship missiles, and other naval weapons? What is preventing you from building up your own defenses by your own indigenous youth? If needed, import talent from all across the Muslim world provided they adjust themselves to Saudi/Gulf culture, religion and customs.

Why is it that you support buying from non Muslim USA which has done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and all across the Muslim world somethings that you should know very well. The Western infidels are NOT Muslims' friends. Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi shook hands with them. They learnt a terrible lesson and paid with their lives and regimes, and millions of countrymen suffered immeasurably because of USA. And now you support these same USA?

 

[Banglar Lathial]

I am not privy to information on Iranian arsenal but the downing of the RQ-170 Sentinel has shown that Iran has capabilities far in excess of what ignorant Westerners publicize. Although I wish for peace, if the infidel West tries to be overly aggressive the Muslim world should dent the West's overinflated ego sooner rather than later. It is at this time that Saudi/Gulf/other "Muslim" countries' close alliances/relations with USA/West is most disturbing and counterproductive.