For the naive and self-blinded....

[he-man]

And what is that basic lesson? How to raid restaurants & pubs during valentine's day and beat up people?



Oh the irony! Caste system and caste based discrimination & inequality is the creation of Hinduism itself, and many people left Hinduism and converted to other religions just to save themselves from the caste based extreme discrimination & inequality, this is happening even today in many places. Are you saying that Hindutva will embrace & unite all Hindus including those who are still considered untouchables under its doctrines? Check again, caste based discrimination is more prevalent specifically in VHP strongholds.



And what is that right choice? How VHP is adding value to India?

Vhp is a stupid organisation just like the bajrang dal

 

[third eye]

And compromise with our most important asset - secularism?

Bharatiyata as Sonia Gandhi said is under threat. We should strive to protect it. We can do with one meal a day if need be, but we can not compromise on secular rule(Congress rule). Hindu parties should be thrown into the gutter where they truly belong.

Our courts are biased and beside as the main article states clearly - our political judgement should be not clouded by judicial pronouncements. For example, if the Court states Modi is not guilty we should discount that and consider the courts anti Muslim. Only if the Court states Modi is guilty and considers the lack of evidence to be evidence will it be able to claim to be the champion of secular thought in India. Otherwise not.

Sonia with due respects is the last person who can talk of Bharatiyata.

Now, if the courts are biased too then we are well and truly jacked. In which case we need to just lie back & enjoy it !

The issue is not Namonia. Modi is just symbolic. The rise of Hindu-ness is alarming and should be eliminated to protect this nation. I can elaborate and explain the problem that I am talking about.

How can 'Hindu - ness' be alarming ?

It may not suit someone but how & why should it be eliminated ? Hindus have as much right in India as non hindus do !

 

[Guynextdoor2]

The issue is not Namonia. Modi is just symbolic. The rise of Hindu-ness is alarming and should be eliminated to protect this nation. I can elaborate and explain the problem that I am talking about.

This country is safe among it's people's attitude. It is unsafe from BJP trying to reengineer people's psyche to gain long term political advantages.

And what is that basic lesson? How to raid restaurants & pubs during valentine's day and beat up people?



Oh the irony! Caste system and caste based discrimination & inequality is the creation of Hinduism itself, and many people left Hinduism and converted to other religions just to save themselves from the caste based extreme discrimination & inequality, this is happening even today in many places. Are you saying that Hindutva will embrace & unite all Hindus including those who are still considered untouchables under its doctrines? Check again, caste based discrimination is more prevalent specifically in VHP strongholds.



And what is that right choice? How VHP is adding value to India?

WHo is interested in unity of all hindus man? Not the BJP or VHP or Bajrang Dal. The BJP gave away disproportionate revenues of mutts to the Lingayats in Karnataka- so where is 'unity' anyway?

 

[he-man]

Here comes the famed congress member of pdf

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Ah, what brilliant satire!

There is nothing as pathetic as an intellect without a moral anchor, devoted to the furtherance of a mean and ignoble sectarian objective.

Thanks Sir
I admit I need to expunge the vile Hindu-ness that still survives within me. Any help I get, is welcome.

Sonia with due respects is the last person who can talk of Bharatiyata.
Now, if the courts are biased too then we are well and truly jacked. In which case we need to just lie back & enjoy it !
How can 'Hindu - ness' be alarming ?
It may not suit someone but how & why should it be eliminated ? Hindus have as much right in India as non hindus do !

Certainly Mrs. Gandhi is the first person to talk about Bharatiyata. She did cry after the Batla House encounter.
And even then, predictably, the Indian courts called the fake encounter genuine and vindicated an innocent terrorist.
Hindu-ness is alarming because of the term 'Hindu'. Any other ness is fine and welcome.
Hindus have the right to stay in India provided they give up being Hindus or align with Hindu centric parties. Hindu opinion should never guide the nation.

It is unsafe from BJP trying to reengineer people's psyche to gain long term political advantages.

That is true as well. From the billions stashed in the Swiss Banks, BJP has got the economic muscle to hire intellectuals to brainwash today's youth into radical explosive Hindus. BJP needs to be derecognized for being a Hindu nationalist party espousing Hindu thoughts, opinions and demands.
See @Manvantaratruti for example.

 

[Android]

I believe this General Election result will be the final verdict on Modi's role in Gujarat riots since Judicial result is not enough for many intellectuals thus let the common citizen of this country decide if they believe he's guilty bjp will defeated badly but the result would be polar opposite if they think other wise. Hope at lest judgement of the people will be enough to convince them or would they prefer to remain naive and self blinded only time will tell.

 

[dray]

1. All VHP wallas are illiterate goons - just like terrorists of Shivaji.

That's not true, all VHP wallas are not illiterate goons, most are, but there are also literate thought leaders in VHP who chalk out minute details of the social work like raiding restaurants & pubs and thrashing people. And don't drag Shivaji here to support VHP.

2. There is no minority appeasement in our country. Then why would Afzal Guru be hanged? It's called secularism. But a communal Hindu(typical) like you will not get it unfortunately.

Minority appeasement is more of a tokenism or symbolism vastly used during elections, and I will be glad if any political party can truly rise above the appeasement politics on the basis of caste, creed, or religion.

3. Hindu society is institutionally divided. Besides, lower castes do not belong to the Brahmanical order. They are 'lesser Hindus'. Their salvation lies with fighting with their Muslim brethren. The oppression of the Brahmanical GoI needs to be nipped in the bud.

Hindu society is actually divided in castes, go to rural India and check how fiercely divided the people are, especially in the cow belt. Nothing to deny here or to be proud of.

4. Bengal and Kerala are first world places when compared to (say) Gujarat. There is a saying - what Bengal thinks today, India thinks tomorrow. There is nothing similar for Gujarat. See?

Again, is it secularism or economic policies that needs to be blamed for the relatively poorer economic development of these two states? And how not being secular can help these states to improve their economic performance?

You are a rabidly communal Hindu and you have no place in secular India.

She is, but unlike her I won't declare that such & such people don't have a place in secular India, I just want my country to be a truly secular nation with strong rule of law, where every communal discrimination & violence by people of any religion will be dealt with promptly, strictly & impartially as per the law of the land. Too bad to aspire for?

 

[Joe Shearer]

i can't fight you word for word,you are the master of selling delusions.

But when the camera turns away from the celluloid towards reality,we get to see who's who and what do they do?

In other words, with no argument to offer as a counter, we are given dark and gloomy forecasts for something evil, sometthing undefined, of course, about to happen.

VHP wallahs come to teach you pride because your intelligentsia needs basic lessons.

That probably explains their popularity and their vast numbers in that state.

CPM and all leftist rags are completely into minority appeasement,it is their bread and butter.

Perhaps the only useful sentence in all this garbage.

If Caste problems stop plaguing hindu society and hindutva is able to unite castes and remove inequality and eocnomic problems between them,then the whole relevance of CPM ll fall and the bandits ll get disbanded.

Cf. the answer of the Spartans to the ambassador of Philip IV of Macedon, and his communicating of the threats made by his master to the Spartans:

After invading Greece and receiving the submission of other key city-states, Philip II of Macedon sent a message to Sparta: "If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."

The Spartan ephors replied with one word: "If" (αἴκα).

The issue is same in the two marxist shitholes of India,Bengal & Kerala.

All these intellectuals are after medals of secularism instead of making the right choice,they try to do global optimization before local optimization.

There is no point trying to climb mt.everest before even trying to trek the local creek.

This is why such intellectuals ll always be mere ghulam of a larger establishement and its propoganda and this is why even a emotional right wing VHP has more value than these guys because they react to the immediate problems instantaneously.

There is a simple phrase which might sum up this hilarious passage above, incoherent and angry as it is.

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[dray]

That is true as well. From the billions stashed in the Swiss Banks, BJP has got the economic muscle to hire intellectuals to brainwash today's youth into radical explosive Hindus. BJP needs to be derecognized for being a Hindu nationalist party espousing Hindu thoughts, opinions and demands.
See @Manvantaratruti for example.

That example gave all the credibility to your argument, otherwise I would have trashed it.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That's not true, all VHP wallas are not illiterate goons, most are, but there are also literate thought leaders in VHP who chalk out minute details of the social work like raiding restaurants & pubs and thrashing people. And don't drag Shivaji here to support VHP.

Minority appeasement is more of a tokenism or symbolism vastly used during elections, and I will be glad if any political party can truly rise above the appeasement politics on the basis of caste, creed, or religion.

Hindu society is actually divided in castes, go to rural India and check how fiercely divided the people are, especially in the cow belt. Nothing to deny here or to be proud of.

Again, is it secularism or economic policies that needs to be blamed for the relatively poorer economic development of these two states? And how not being secular can help these states to improve their economic performance?

She is, but unlike her I won't declare that such & such people don't have a place in secular India, I just want my country to be a truly secular nation with strong rule of law, where every communal discrimination & violence by people of any religion will be dealt with promptly, strictly & impartially as per the law of the land. Too bad to aspire for?

I totally agree with you. We are in agreement.

All I am saying is that Hindu-ness should be curbed for the betterment of India. We need to be forgiving and remind ourselves of the centuries of deprivation meted out to Muslims when someone finally gets enraged and destroys the Amar Jawan Jyoti.

Instead what do we Hindus do? We discriminate against this young man and send him to jail. Do you think that is the right course of action?

As for Bengal and Kerala - I agree that secularism followed there is a model that needs to be replicated all over India.

I believe this General Election result will be the final verdict on Modi's role in Gujarat riots since Judicial result is not enough for many intellectuals thus let the common citizen of this country decide if they believe he's guilty bjp will defeated badly but the result would be polar opposite if they think other wise. Hope at lest judgement of the people will be enough to convince them or would they prefer to remain naive and self blinded only time will tell.

The common illiterate folks should ideally not be allowed to decide the future of a country at a crossroads, when learned scholars are there. The pros of elitism is hard to deny. Modi is evil and their is a rising Hindu consciousness that needs to be stopped.

 

[Android]

Abki baar 300 paar

 

[dray]

I totally agree with you. We are in agreement.

All I am saying is that Hindu-ness should be curbed for the betterment of India. We need to be forgiving and remind ourselves of the centuries of deprivation meted out to Muslims when someone finally gets enraged and destroys the Amar Jawan Jyoti.

Instead what do we Hindus do? We discriminate against this young man and send him to jail. Do you think that is the right course of action?

As for Bengal and Kerala - I agree that secularism followed there is a model that needs to be replicated all over India.


The common illiterate folks should ideally not be allowed to decide the future of a country at a crossroads, when learned scholars are there. The pros of elitism is hard to deny. Modi is evil and their is a rising Hindu consciousness that needs to be stopped.

Now, how do you want to deal with this guy in the picture?

1. Do nothing.

2. Lynch him to death.

3. Arrest him, book him as per the applicable laws and build a strong case against him, get a conviction from the court quickly, and throw him into jail.


If you ask me, I would dislike the 2nd option as much as I would dislike the first option, I would prefer the third option every time, and I want our systems to be as robust and free of politics to ensure the third option every time to each culprit.

What do you want?

 

[Dillinger]

I blame it on the self proclaimed secular parties, BECAUSE they aren't secular and give actual secularists like me a bad name.

As for the VHP, the less said the better, the same applies to Bajrang Dal and their ilk.

Savarkar-esque (his notion of Hindutva was a regional identity based on absolute loyalty to the land encompassed by Bharat and not one linked to the Hindu religion itself) nationalism that has NO PLACE FOR ANY RELIGION AS SUCH is the need of the hour. Let the weak clutch on to god. Keep your religion in your mosques and temples, on the street you have none, one code of conduct and one code of law.

And the dream ends.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I believe this General Election result will be the final verdict on Modi's role in Gujarat riots since Judicial result is not enough for many intellectuals thus let the common citizen of this country decide if they believe he's guilty bjp will defeated badly but the result would be polar opposite if they think other wise. Hope at lest judgement of the people will be enough to convince them or would they prefer to remain naive and self blinded only time will tell.

What BS.

 

[scorpionx]

This is quite disheartening to see how scums like Amit Shah (who in some sections of the media is being portrayed as a grand strategist) and those who were instrumental in killing,conspiring in 2001 riots can easily managed shelters under the splendid idiocy of the kinds of Azam Khan and Owaisi. How easily a meticulously planned conspiracy can hide under the enthusiastic Congress vs BJP recrimination, blaming and counter blaming!!

This is sad to see enthusiastic young voters could not do anything better than over looking the fact that inefficiency of law and order machinery in Gujarat is no different or in some cases worst than West Bengal when it came to delivering justice. It is more saddening that what was being organized in Mujaffarnagar is completely on the opposite pole to what is being preached in different interviews and public meetings. I too, have a dream of a heavily Industrialized India with proactive government policies, but the way a group of criminals have managed to sneak through by exploiting this dream is completely unacceptable to me. And this is irony that Azam Khan and company is the biggest shade these perpetrators have found.