For the apple of my eye, who I lost to Pakistan’s incompetence

[Jango]

This was one comment on the article:

@prashant: Pediatric cardiac surgery is a relatively new field and is a specialty (pediatric) within a specialty (surgery) within a specialty (cardiology). There are very few hospitals and surgeons around the world who have the ability to do it. The reluctance by the doctors the author has described really means that those doctors did not have the ability to perform a surgery on a child who was less than 3 months old.

Dr Krishna Subramony from Fortis Escorts Heart Institute in Delhi is a world renowned pediatric cardiac surgeon who has operated on more than 10,000 babies. Narayana Hrudayalaya in Bangalore does 16 pediatric cardiac surgeries a day and some of the patients are from Pakistan.

If one Dr Krishna could do it, doesn't mean all of India can do it. Similarly, if one Pakistani doctor couldn't do it, doesn't mean whole of Pakistan is good for nothing.

And looking at the writers profile, Army family, Army husband, I am guessing she took him to AFIC.

The doc probably did not operate because he did not have the necessary ability or expertise to do so. I don't fault him for that. Maybe he could have referred him to some other place if this was the case.

 

[WishLivePak]

Get off your high horse and smell the earth, who you trying to fool, you are never away from this a Pakistani forum, not the right place for an Indian whose head is in the clouds.... don't tell me you are here to interact with your own kind....you certainly lack even the basic morals to show any gratitude much less that you can contribute anything to the PDF community.....hence you can only learn and be taught or else best for you to confine yourself to your own puddle.

Don't be harsh... At least he admitted his fault. So many Indians blantly talk and refuse to acknowledge truth. @Contrarian

Like guy who says China sold us military nuclear reactor or they won every single war against Pakistan and how India is the 'chosen' country for Kashmir.

As sad as it is and as devastating as it would have been for the parents, I think that the Tribune is overemphasizing on the misery and misfortune of one family and treating it as if it were the norm. Whereas the doctor's faulty diagnosis cost a family their child in this case, I am certain that this is not a regular occurrence.
RIP to the young soul and my his parents find solace.

Emotions are high, that's why.

You'd have felt same, that entire Pakistan was to blame, even if India had slim chance of saving the baby.

 

[Jango]

Keep your posts on the topic folks, this thread should not become an Indo-Pak comparison thread.

Last warning.

 

[halupridol]

its always easy to blame the doctor.

 

[Roybot]

Feel bad for the mother, RIP to the baby. I doubt she would have a got a visa anyway, her husband being in the Army.

 

[Icarus]

Feel bad for the mother, RIP to the baby. I doubt she would have a got a visa anyway, her husband being in the Army.

Exactly.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

Feel bad for the mother, RIP to the baby. I doubt she would have a got a visa anyway, her husband being in the Army.

that would have given her the chance to get a visa too, you may never know

 

[zip]

That was a very sad incident ..time will heal her wounds and i hope time also answers pathetic healthcare situation in this part of world ..warriors on both sides are always look like idiots with big ego ..

 

[PlanetWarrior]

The baby seems to have died from hospital acquired infections. This is a serious problem internationally. The treating doctors should have taken notice of the second opinion from India. In this case, if they felt that treatment couldn't be administered in Pakistan then the baby should have been moved to India. Can't there be some agreement reached between India and Pakistan regarding medical care ? The reality remains that India's medical care facilities are more expanded than Pakistan's. Perhaps a visa on arrival facility for medical patients and their immediate families ?

 

[halupridol]

i think this family cud have gone to westrn countries too.they weren't exactly poor.,,,yeah they shud have researched more...
OT- a biased article with lots of allegations by grief stricken parents n completely negating all the efforts(although futile) made by the hospital,doctor n staff.
ps- being humble or not has nothing to do with the competency of a doctor ,,,,n its rather harsh to say that doctors r heartless,,,with all the death n disease around doctors become abit sensitized.

 

[third eye]

This is the worst nightmare of a parent.

I am sure the Docs must have done the best they could , being a parent myself my heart goes out to the young parents of the little baby.

For medical reasons I dont think any nation should have borders.

 

[niaz]

In my humble opinion medicine is the noblest of all professions. This also evident from the fact that even though Hakim Luqman is not considered a ’Messenger’ one whole ‘Sura’ in the holy Quran is named after him. Muslims translated Greek medical manuscripts after conquest of Syria and during the Middle Ages Muslim medicine led the world. Great Salahuddin reportedly offered his personal physician to Richard the Lion Heart when the later was sick. It is the duty of the army to treat captured enemy soldiers.

India has her own Aryu-vedic medical tradition going back thousands of years. However, since the Renaissance, European medicine has been on the forefront and a European Doctor Francois Bernier was very highly regarded at the Court of Shah Jehan and later with Aurangzeb. It is reported that English doctors with the East India Company were sought after by the Indian princes towards later part of the 17th Century.

When it comes to health & medicine, there is no distinction of race, colour, religion or country borders. I worked in Fujairah for 5 years; Fujairah being a relative poor Emirate; many locals were going to India for treatment because it cost a lot less than going to Europe. Apparently when judged on the basis of quality of treatment, value for service & patient safety & security; Fortis Hospital Bangalore, & Asian Heart Institute, Bombay are among world’s top 10 hospitals.

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To best of my knowledge problem is not so much with the Pakistanis but with the Indian visa policy. It is virtually impossible to get an Indian entry visa for a Pakistani unless he is a big businessman and/ or has some blood relations in India. Since I don’t qualify, each time I visited India, I had to arrange an invitation thru my Chemical Engineer friends from Indian Oil Corporation and from Reliance. I am pretty sure that if India relaxes Visa rules, there will be lot more Pakistanis going to India for treatment.

 

[Mav3rick]

After reading the thread, I would like to draw your attention towards the following things which u have might not noticed.

The thread also says about the in anunhygienic paediatrics wardhere in Pakistan,

The thread further says “Either we don’t have the technology to perform such procedures on infants or the doctors here just do not have the confidence or competence it requires. The heartless barbarians we call doctors here in Pakistan do not care if your child is sick or even if he dies at their hands. Except for maybe one or two humble doctors I met during my stay at the hospital, every other individual, be it a doctor or a nurse, is cruel,heartless and ignorant. This for me at least is a lesson well learnt and one that I can never erase from my memory.”

Lastly medical treatments in India r cheap as compared with Pakistan, this is what I have read. This might have prompted them to come to India.Europe/America is very costly.Forget the treatment,just stay in hotel for 6 months like they stayed in India.

With due respect to everybody,this can happen to anybody in India or Pakistan.It may differ from individual to individuals. Well I & my sister had a BAD experience in one of the hospitals in India where my father was admitted.

I actually did read every bit of it and frankly, it is a load of BULLSHIT!! It is most likely not even real.

Unhygienic paediatric wards, delivery rooms, operation theatres and so on are grossly common throughout the third world countries and there are many more of those in INDIA than there are in PAKISTAN! An argument may be made that the Government has continuously and repeatedly failed to provide quality medical care to the general public which has prompted mushroom growth of clinics/hospitals/medical facilities that do not field qualified professionals.

The only thing for which people can, and do, travel to India is organ transplant. It's not because there is a lack of doctors/specialists that can perform the complex surgeries or maintain donor lists, it is because there is a ban on organ transplant in Pakistan......in Pakistan, an organ may be donated only by an immediate family member.

But let me rest the case with the argument that however bad the medical situation in Pakistan is, it is many times more in India. It does not mean that the situation is worse in India, it merely means that with such a massive population and such meagre resources spent on health care in both countries the medical conditions are extremely subpar but on a wider scale in India

P.S. I am still waiting for a link to the article, I would like to follow up on this 'story'.

 

[Hulk]

I feel the best thing to happen in SE Asia is when all SARC countries feel they can benefit from Indias progress. India's development should benefit all. When they will benefit from us, our success will become theirs too. However, egoistic attitude has not allowed it to happen. Hope all the best for future.