FM Qureshi presents constitutional amendment bill for creating South Punjab

[Mentee]

Didn't the pti mp's from South go rogue some days ago? This proposal is nothing but stirring the hornets nest before the no confidence motion .

If South Punjab can happen, why can another administrative division not be created?

When did South punjab happen?

 

[maithil]

Modi get stronger as he keeps weakening his opponents. IK rose when he destroyed image of NS. This is a common practice, in Pakistan provinces are too strong hence fed usually find itself being blackmailed by provinces. There is a need of 6-7 provinces, it will serve people well as well as give more strength to fed by relatively weakening provinces.



Bro for any change to geographical details of a province, you need go ahead (2/3rd majority) from not just parliament but also the exact province you want to break in pieces. IK need 2/3rd in Sindh to make Karachi province, if he have 2/3rd in Sindh they he don't need to make Karachi as he already have 2/3rd. It's a bit of dilemma.

For God's sake man.. other side is buying your MNAs and you are preaching rules of laws.. Present this bill for Karachi with much fanfare and force MQM to stop their lover story with Zardari.. Do politics when it's needed. Make this a big public story and force Karachwalas to punish MQM if they still go with Zardari..

 

[Zhukov]

Finally. I would even say there must be 2 south punjabs. One Multan centric other Bahawalpur centric.
Make as many administrative divisions as possible.
I mean they gave tax collection of all major Industry of Faisalabad to RTO Multan. We had to travel to multan from Faisalabad for simple hearings. And the reason government gave was to generate revenue for south region.
Create industrial zones in the south. So many people come from south punjab for jobs in Lahore Faisalabad Sialkot.
Their lives will be so much easier if they find good living in their hometowns. Instead of leaving homes.

 

[Paitoo]

Solely from an economic perspective, and from an Indian experience, creating smaller provinces has not meant better management. With the exception of Uttarakhand (which was bifurcated from UP, a clear mess), no other state has done better than its parent state, and the parent states themselves after being reduced in size have not done better. Bihar-Jharkhand, MP-Chattisgarh, AP-Telangana, there is no difference.

If the new state is lacking in natural resources, or some competitive advantage, or unless it has historically been subject to systemic discrimination, it does not lead to much, except for a satisfaction that we are at last being ruled by our 'own people'

 

[Maula Jatt]

Saraiki is like punjabi. Very easy to pick up. Plus punjabis run the business in south Punjab anyways. Saraiki tanday mizaj de’aa.

Paravaan bach ke Raiee, saareyaan ii hole mizaaj de hondeyaan fer PPP beraghark kaar joundi aa

 

[HAIDER]

I think they do. The same Government gave special status to Gilgit Baltistaan and merged Tribal Areas into KP. Besides splitting Punjab has been a mandate of several political parties in the past including PPP & PMLN. Its demand of people of the region and as PTI said, a part of their electoral manifesto. Do-ability or Mandate are not a question.

Moving forward, this announcement cuts PMLN's support in south Punjab completely. The announcement that PTI wants it paves the way for the next election where people would elect "Constitutional Assembly" that will also lead to changing Pakistan from Premiership to Presidential mode of governance. That will tick all the boxes for Pakistan.

This split will favor PPP, because after splitting, Sindh has equal or more MNA in the National assembly or majority seats. Sindh should be divided too.

 

[Maula Jatt]

This split will favor PPP, because after splitting, Sindh has equal or more MNA in the National assembly or majority seats. Sindh should be divided too.

Wdym can you breakdown situation of MNA seats by each province if this breakup goes through ?

And anyone knows the exact map of proposed SP province?

 

[HAIDER]

Wdym can you breakdown situation of MNA seats by each province if this breakup goes through ?

And anyone knows the exact map of proposed SP province?

South Punjab comprises 11 districts: Khanewal, Multan, Bahawalpur, Bahawalnagar, Lodhran, Vehari, Layyah, Rahim Yar Khan, Rajanpur, Muzaffargarh and DG Khan. These districts elect 46 Members of National Assembly seats and 92 Members of the Punjab Assembly. Unlike the PTI, which thanks to its strengths in other provinces and the Salt Range, has several paths to power for forming the government in Islamabad. For the PML(N), given its shrinking vote bank elsewhere, today its only path is winning an overwhelming majority in central Punjab’s 82 seats and South Punjab’s 46 seats.

Here is the breakdown.

National Assembly of Pakistan

National Assembly of Pakistan

na.gov.pk

 

[Oruc]

Punjab Assembly already passed a resolution on South Punjab.

Punjab Assembly passes South Punjab, Bahawalpur province resolutions | The Express Tribune

The resolutions were submitted by Law Minister Rana Sanaullah on Tuesday.

tribune.com.pk

2/3 is not only required in Fed but also Sindh province to make Karachi province. Will People of Sindh gove 2/3 rs majority to PTI in 2023 election ?

And that resolution was totally different in boundaries and everything. So THIS resolution which is submitted now was never passed from provincial assembly.

Source.
LAHORE:
Resolutions pertaining to the creation of the South Punjab province and restoration of Bahawalpur province were unanimously approved in the session of the Punjab Assembly held today, Express News reported.

It was "passed". Passing require 2/3rd.



It will create too much chaos... New province will also need special funds fr fed for establishment of government and public infrastructures. Here we are talking about atleast 2 trillion PKR for each new province in a span of 5-8 years. You want 1 provided nice from Punjab, 1 from Sindh, 1 from Baluchistan simultaneously. Fed won't be able to financially support them and manage them and hence they won't be able to create the governmental structure and basis services for citizens. This is the part where crime rate, no go areas, lack of education etc surfaces.

not really. Passing requires only simple majority. But if you dig out that resolution then you would know that it was totally different from this. Punjab assembly passed resolution to make south punjab and bahawalpur two new provinces with totally different boundaries. So this resolution which SMQ tabled has never seen PA in its present form.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Should have also tabled a bill for Sindh's Split

• East Sindh
• West Sindh

Each one get their own Budget


Ideal format is format used in Japan

• 50 Administrative Zones with each one getting own Development Fund
• Japan has 47 Prefectures (Provinces) none is language based
• Going Prefecture to prefecture same standard of service and same development exists

Japan is 1/3rd size of Pakistan and they showcase how regions are split in Japan each region is universally given chance to grow

 

[Indus Pakistan]

England is province of UK in 1950s its population was 2.5 times higher than Punjab.

Wrong comparison my friend. UK is unashemadly a English product. It was English and English monarchs ruling from London who conquered and subjagated Wales, Scotland and Ulster by FORCE.

Then for centuries the English suppressed local languages, cultures of Wales/Scotland/Ireland. They imposed English and English ruling class. The English violently put down attempts by Scots or Welsh rebellions until these people over period of centuries were amalgamted in United Kingdom.

But let there be no mistake UK is just greater England. Pakistan on the other hand is federation of equals who were not forced by Punjab at point of sword or battle to join it.

Keep this in mind.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Government does not have the mandate to amend the constitution.

Constitution should be suspended, and rewritten from scratch.

 

[El Sidd]

Constitution should be suspended, and rewritten from scratch.

No point in reinventing the wheel.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Argument that Punjab should be divided because it is too large and difficult to govern is BS Punjab is best governed and most peaceful province of Pakistan.

Punjab has the highest population density, way higher than Balochistan. Anybody thinking you can manage such a large population from a single seat of power in Lahore is either utterly stupid or disingenuously wants to bog down growth and advancement in the country. Consider that the literacy rate is 58% for Punjab. That's some top class governance right there.

No point in reinventing the wheel.

Which is why the Amish still travel in horse carts.

Plus PML-N ka new abba Zardari once said Constitution koi Asmani saheefa hai!?

Funny how people living outside Pakistan don't want the country to progress and hide behind "bUt mAh cOnStItUtIoN" to keep it strangled in the dark ages.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Balochistan is 170 percent larger than Punjab. And population of Punjab is higher than European countries due to uncontrolled population growth in Pakistan. England is province of UK in 1950s its population was 2.5 times higher than Punjab.

Argument that Punjab should be divided because it is too large and difficult to govern is BS Punjab is best governed and most peaceful province of Pakistan.
And dividing on language basis is also stupid because Punjab is the most homogeneous province of Pakistan. A man from Lahore or Gujranwala can easily speak with someone from muzafargarh or layyah without using Urdu. Can a hindko speaker of kpk speak with pashto speaker without using Urdu? Or a chitrali with pashto speaker? Or a pashto speaker of Balochistan with Balochi Sindhi or Brahui of speakers of Balochistan?

It's done to cut down power of Punjab in federal structure
All other reasons are BS cause it's doing better than the rest in many metrics despite representing over 50% of the country
Now that rarely happens in anyother country
Usually bigger populated provinces are worse off

Wrong comparison my friend. UK is unashemadly a English product. It was English and English monarchs ruling from London who conquered and subjagated Wales, Scotland and Ulster by FORCE.

Then for centuries the English suppressed local languages, cultures of Wales/Scotland/Ireland. They imposed English and English ruling class. The English violently put down attempts by Scots or Welsh rebellions until these people over period of centuries were amalgamted in United Kingdom.

But let there be no mistake UK is just greater England. Pakistan on the other hand is federation of equals who were not forced by Punjab at point of sword or battle to join it.

Keep this in mind.

Bro you're talking about a one single, province
How's this related to other provinces of the country?

He is talking about something else and you're going totally left Field

@Indus Pakistan

Sawal gandam jawab chana. You were saying population of Punjab is higher than European countries I said few decades population of Punjab of was lower than a European province england


Punjab has highest literacy rate in Pakistan

Exactly..

Ot
I think SP in the long run is actually going to be worse off than it is right now in many metrics
They lack industry to prosper on thier own, they needed support from other places

But on the other hand it can be good for federation
At the end of the day this division is more because of national intrests than any real reason