FIVE NEWS: Islam on the rise in the UK

[BelligerentPacifist]

Ok then, I frequently heard about paradise and the 72 beautiful virgins waiting for any martyr for Islam..so what in for a women martyr.

But I didn't hear such. Not from an Islamic source, never yet. Which is not to say it is false.

And you're using the word martyr wrong, we have a much broader term - shaheed-witness. A woman who dies in/due to?? pregnancy is a shaheed.

You and I will know what we get when we get there. 1 or 70 or 72 or a 1000. Men or women. Or angels with pikes. BTW, the word Hoor is a unisex plural.

 

[Jade]

"Allahu khaaliq un Habbi wan nawaa" (an3aam 95): God is the conceptualize-r/creator of the grain and the nucleus/seed.

I invite you to find another source of all food for yourself. Eat stones, or fire.

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Still, are you less than perfectionist? It seems almost ironic to say to an Indian (with your unfortunate call-centre image) but "Won't you like an upgrade sir?".

No Sir, I am happy. I won't like an 'upgrade'.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

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Sir Religion is the most important thing if you don't know the purpose of life than what is the difference between animal human

Animals know Zarvyboy! And like all creation but men and jin, worship.

 

[Zarvan]

But I didn't hear such. Not from an Islamic source, never yet. Which is not to say it is false.

And you're using the word martyr wrong, we have a much broader term - shaheed-witness. A woman who dies in/due to?? pregnancy is a shaheed.

You and I will know what we get when we get there. 1 or 70 or 72 or a 1000. Men or women. Or angels with pikes. BTW, the word Hoor is a unisex plural.

Yes there are hadees for 72 and for women who will go to heaven ALLAH has said they will have which they can't imagine neither they would have seen anything like that

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

No Sir, I am happy. I won't like an 'upgrade'.

That's fine by me, and I wish a very happy life to you.
Still, a study of the various religions, without the view to upgrade yourself, can be a rewarding intellectual experience, and would make you even happier.

 

[Jade]

Sir everything in this world is created by GOD and GOD decides who will get what and when why is that when you go to a fruit shop and buy 1 Kilo something why you only get those 1 Kilo not other

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Sir Religion is the most important thing if you don't know the purpose of life than what is the difference between animal human

Sir, religion is important, but not the most important. There are many people who profess to follow certain religion and behave more animalist than even animals

 

[Zarvan]

Sir, religion is important, but not the most important. There are many people who profess to follow certain religion and behave more animalist than even animals

Sir religion is the most important thing because as Muslims Islam is not a religion it is a deen that is complete code of Life it covers all aspects from Politics to economy and also social life of a human and also give laws so every thing comes under Islam

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Yes there are hadees for 72 and for women who will go to heaven ALLAH has said they will have which they can't imagine neither they would have seen anything like that

That's why I couldn't say the number was false. I don't know, and your or my saying such doesn't prove anything unless we bring forth a reference, which is especially difficult for the a7adeeth because very few people are trained to interpret them, and certainly not us.

BTW, love your beard Zarvy. If I was a kid I'd tug at it assalamoalalaik.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Sir, religion is important, but not the most important. There are many people who profess to follow certain religion and behave more animalist than even animals

I'm sorry I'm interrupting a conversation.
But you're being mislead by the profession-professor dichotomy. In the end we're all people, we aren't the ideas themselves. Tell me, many people in your country profess to be State employees (babus in your forum jargon), and frankly not a lot of them are good at being employees. They can't be perfect, and we should understand that and not give the flak to State-employment. Just yesterday, I glimpsed a thread about police brutality or something of the sort, but that's just people being irresponsible with their power, not the idea of policing the massed being wrong. You do get the drift?
Thank you for lending an ear.

 

[Mav3rick]

Ya i know right the holy books portray god in a preety bad way IMO l0l.if the books are true id rather be a non believer.I believe in god in my own way well i am a skeptic but yeah.

And if those Books are right, then there is a very very special place just for people like you!

 

[Mav3rick]

Shocking - I wonder what the BNP would do if they got into power in the UK. Wonder if Nick Griffin would be another HITLER but the holocaust actually was against Islam this time instead of Jews. If the whole world does become Islamic then it's a sad day for human kind. The good thing about the world we have today is that we can all choose what life we want to live. We can choose to follow Islam, Judaism or Christianity. However, the right to choose in some Islamic countries is forbidden. In my opinion, people who follow Islam are so obessed about Islam that they must force other people to follow it. They don't care about their opinions. This is the reason why Islam is never going to be the main religion. There are tons of religions out there, and for some reason, Islam always seems to be the worst. If you compare Islam to any other religion, I'd prefer to choose them. Never in my right mind will I ever follow Islam and I know I'm not the only one in this world. We are all humans so just respect the choices every human being chooses. However, that's hard for people who follow Islam. Isn't it?

The right to chose in Muslim countries is not forbidden however it does appear that a ban on the right to reason and the right to intelligent thinking is self imposed by quite a lot. I mean people are so darned dumb, apparently you are not, that they consider Islam to be a small religion or a fading religion whereas it is a fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion all over the world! It is expected that Islam will overtake Christianity as the most followed religion in 80-100 years.

People also say that Islam seems to be the worst religion, I am sure you are not of those who that, cause they are also so ****** up in the head that they cannot distinguish b/w right and wrong.....I mean quite literally lets take the Christian American wars on Muslim countries....the USA alone has caused deaths on millions of Muslims in Iraq/Afghanistan alone, more then that of all the Muslims combined on Christians yet the mentality does not change.

About what's hard for Muslims is the attitude of people who want to impose their own ideology on Muslims, these people are so biased and so bloody influenced by anti Muslim sentiments that they cry against the ban in Saudi Arabia on women driving vehicles and at the same time ban hijaab/head scarves on the women in their own countries......Nuns can wear head scarves but not Muslim women...and this is just 1 example.

But there is good news and the good news is that Islam continues to spread, the more they try to restrict/destroy Islam the more it spreads because it is the word of God.

 

[Mav3rick]

The problem with religion (abrahamic all the more) is that it ends up showing dreams to people of heaven after death, while people themselves rake up hell while on earth.

Look at all those who are going to heaven , people like us, the general masses...at least all the abrahamic faiths believe that their believers are going to heaven, jannah etc. Kam se kam 1 billion people are going...

And these are the people who made earth (which was not less than paradise) , into a living hell: our politicians, our armies, our religions.

And they are going to heaven, in hundred years time , they will make into a hell also .

Without offense, God with all his angel party is going to run the hell (pun intended) out of paradise once he/she/it (gender ambiguous) realizes the kind of company he/she/it has bargained for.

My problem about obsession with religion is that, the obsession with religion is an obsession with the future....an obsession with afterlife.

And that's where our religion begins, with the promise of life in the after life. What would I be if I knew that there was no judgement day, no hell or heaven after death. Would I be the same person? No mate, I would be a very very bad person so it is my religion that ties me down, scares me in to submission and forces me to be good.

 

[Mav3rick]

So whats for the women folk..will they get 70 husbands?

As I explained earlier, the married women will be the highest ranking wife of her husband in this life.

 

[Mav3rick]

If there are clear instructions then why do you see so many different versions Islam. If they are clear how can they misinterpret them?

Hahahaha loool Non-Muslims will not be allowed in in paradise!!! loool! That's so funny to me. O No offence to anyone here but I'm literally on the floor!! How can you say that!! You remind me of that Anjum Choudhary guy. loooooool We belive (all the Indian religions and not just hinduism) hell or heaven is decided by one's 'Karma'. Religion doesn't play any role. They don't tell us non-Indians don't deserve a heaven or can't go there in afterlife. If they are good human beings then they sure will.

Tell me if you don't sound similar to him. "It's our moral duty to preach our religion and blah blah blah" That's what I'd call radicalization. No offence but true. It is sad to see mass of Pakistan in this state. I'm sure there are many more liberal Muslims in India who don't believe in such cr*p but do athere to Allah so are they not as much Muslims are you guys are?

Jesus Christ was just a prophet and not a son of god may be your view or part of your belief system but you can not say anyone who believes Jesus was a son of god should be killed. Or non-Muslims are this, non-Muslims are that blah blah blah is not preaching your religion but preaching hatred between your fellow humans. I'm sure Quran says all humans are equal?

What makes a person Muslim? It is the firm belief that there is only 1 God and that Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet from 4 prophets and over 1,24,000 messengers of Allah and the belief on His angels and Quran. So even if you do not consider yourself a Muslim but have faith in 1 God and his prophets then you will eventually enter Heaven.

 

[Mav3rick]

A god which gives entry to people in paradise not on basis of their deed but on basis of their faith is a false god as he violates the basic characterstic of god ie justness and impartiality.

Why should the God not refuse you when you refuse Him? Even parents punish their children for disobedience and in worst cases, disown them. So if you do not have faith in God, why should God put you in Heaven?

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Take that up with Mr. Mav3rick and the Christians etc, leave us Muslims out of that, please. We do not hold that view generally.

I am not a Muslim? Muslims don't hold the view that non-believers will never be allowed entry in to Paradise? I wonder what Islam you are following brother.