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You should know one thing, Pakistani History only starts from 14 Aug1947 on wards and before that it was collective History. Rest you are Historian, so you know how to twist the history like leftists did in India. ;)

Why an Indian guy burning his tail as to when our history starts?

I mean do we go and tell you when to start your history?

Why so much jealousy and tail burning?

No, celebrate the warriors and the history of the regiments they fought for all you want. Just do not contrive a relationship with the State of Pakistan.

So who pays for maintenance and ops of the regimental HQs in Pak who fought in WW-1?

Indian gov are Pak gov?
 
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Its funny how they like to claim everything that belongs to us. The IVC's 'religion' was inspired from Sumerian myths.



Yet both sites were present during the bronze age period. Having Buddha statues excavated from Pakistan proves that Hinduism was never mainstream in our lands. The IVC's religious beliefs too were inspired by Sumerian and even Babylonian myths as both civilizations traded with each other.



Yes and we will re-establish it in some form again.
Your history is being conquered by us:
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So who pays for maintenance and ops of the regimental HQs in Pak who fought in WW-1?

That responsibility falls to the State whose Army absorbed the units and their history.
 
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Hahaha Pakistanis have a weird interpretation of history. Majority of Buddhist relics recovered are from KPK and surrounding areas, very few found in Punjab, Sindh. Majority of Pakistani castes have Hindu origin like Sudhan/Sheikh(Brahmins), Rajput, Jatt etc. These groups and others make up large numbers in West Punjab and all are recorded as being historically Hindu.

Sudhan is pathan tribe you retarded, and khatris are known as sheikh. I don't expect bhangis to know little details like these. Brahmins were always treated like dogs in punjab.
 
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the areas comprising today's pakistan has always been famous for brave people.. but i wonder as to why they never showed aggression towards foreign invaders from Afghanistan side?
Pakistani people throughout history have never fought against any invader:

The writer is an Indian columnist and former newspaper editor aakar.patel@tribune.com.pk

Are Punjabi Muslims martial? Do they have a history of war and conquest or at least of resistance to conquest? I ask because there’s no evidence of their martial character in our history. No general, no subedar, no thanedar, no wazir, no bakhshi of the Mughal empire was a Punjabi Muslim so far as I know.

I might be wrong about this but there are only two Punjabi Muslims named in Mughal texts. The first is Kamaal Khan Gakkhar, who submitted (without fighting) to Akbar in 1576, according to Akbarnama. The second is Jalal Khan Gakkhar, an old man named among the victims by Jahangir in a skirmish with Afghans in 1620. A third reference is indirect, the name of the author of Shah Jahan’s Padishahnama is Shaikh Abdul Hamid “Lahori”. The Ain-e-Akbari has one joint reference to Janjuas and Awans, calling them tribes conquered by Afghans. There are of course Punjabi Hindus (mainly Khatris) who fought for the Mughals with distinction. Like Todar Mal, who led the sapping at the siege of Chittorgarh against the Sisodiya Rajputs, and also settled the revenue system for Akbar. Maathir ul Umara says Todar Mal was born in Lahore, though British scholars thought this was Laharpur in Awadh.

Where are the Punjabi Muslims? The fact is that the Punjabi Muslim is a convert mainly from the peasantry (Jat) which is not martial. General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is Gakkhar, a caste that claims Rajput ancestry. The second Rohtas fort was built by Sher Khan Suri to pacify the Gakkhars. In his Tuzuk, Jahangir makes the remark in passing that the Gakkhars are warlike, but adds that they only fight among themselves. Meanwhile Rajput, Afghan, Maratha, Sikh, Jat (Hindu) and tribal Hindu generals all fought for and against Mughal armies. Rajputs had to be continually submitted by force, except for the loyal Kachwahas of Ambar (Jaipur). Right down to Aurangzeb, according to Maasir-e-Alamgiri, Mewar’s Sisodiyas and Marwar’s Rathors resisted the emperor. I clarify here that Muslims other than Punjabis fought the Mughals, and some very well.

Uttar Pradesh’s Rohilla Afghans were enemies of the Mughals and one of them (Najibud Daulah) ruled from Mughal Delhi for 10 years. Turkish-speaking Turani Sunnis and Farsi-speaking Irani Shias were the most important parties in the Mughal court. The former ranked as better fighters than the latter, who were better administrators. The fiercest Indian-origin Muslims were Shias, the Syeds of Barha (in Uttar Pradesh). The Maratha light cavalry was devastating and ended Muslim rule over India. The Sikhs captured Punjab and raided west up to Kabul and east up to the Doab. The Jats south of Delhi made life miserable for the later Mughals. Even the Baniya general Hemu showed martial character, almost ending Mughal rule before falling at the second battle of Panipat.

What exactly did the Punjabi Muslim do? Invaders who got past Peshawar could then only be stopped at Karnal or Panipat because they went through Punjab undisturbed. It is true that the armies of both Nadir Shah and Ahmed Shah Abdali were harassed in Punjab on their return with Mughal booty, but their attackers were Sikhs, not Muslims. Punjab was a quiet state. Punjabi Muslims neither rebelled against Mughal Delhi nor fought any invader whether Afghan or Persian. Was this because the Punjabi did not want to fight other Muslims? Not really, because he did not even resist being conquered easily by Sikhs.

It is the Englishman who 150 years ago gave the Punjabi Muslim a rifle and taught him how to use it. But this did not require any martial background. The British Bengal army was full of UP Brahmins (like Mangal Pandey). It is only after this formation of the modern regiments, that Punjabi Muslims are called martial by writers like GF MacMunn. After the English left, the record of Punjabi Muslims at war under their own generals is not sterling. I count one draw and one loss and I’m being charitable. Against the Pashtun Talib the record is not encouraging, despite the thousands of martyrs. Nadir Shah said of Indian Muslims after the battle of Karnal that they “know how to die, but not how to fight”.

This is fine and many states of India are not martial. Few soldiers were produced by Bengal’s Hindus for instance, and not many by Gujarat even today. But they don’t have the militant bombast of the Punjabi Muslim (who apparently equals 10 Hindus). I’m just wondering what this bombast is based on because I cannot figure it out.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 30th, 2012.
 
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Who appointed Brahims at the top of the society

And on the other extreme, the true local inhabitants of GV were considered Shudras?


Who did that?

Aliens?

or Brahmin mafia?

Take your pick.

If you don't know then accept it as ignorance and be silent. Caste division was as per book and was always mentioned as categorization and assignment of work for different caste. This had nothing to do with Upper caste or Lower caste. Brahmins were accepted as upper caste because they studied lot and King used their knowledge so they were close to Higher societies. Another important point is that it was based on opting for work and not by birth. Though, many people used it for their benefits but there are hundreds of example where Shudras/Kshatriyas became Brahmin e.g. are Valmiki, Vishwamitra.

Now if based on some people's action you can blame whole Hinduism of thousand years then based on Some terrorist actions, you should not be angry when Islam is called root cause for terrorism.
 
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If you don't know then accept it as ignorance and be silent. Caste division was as per book and was always mentioned as categorization and assignment of work for different caste. This had nothing to do with Upper caste or Lower caste. Brahmins were accepted as upper caste because they studied lot and King used their knowledge so they were close to Higher societies. Another important point is that it was based on opting for work and not by birth. Though, many people used it for their benefits but there are hundreds of example where Shudras/Kshatriyas became Brahmin e.g. are Valmiki, Vishwamitra.

Now if based on some people's action you can blame whole Hinduism of thousand years then based on Some terrorist actions, you should not be angry when Islam is called root cause for terrorism.

Look I have studied Hinduism.

you don't have to convince me and tell me the diff of theory and practice.
Because if you do, you will start sounding like a typical Islamist.

Thank you
 
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Well bro

it is bollywood script vs. reality

obviously you have made your choice.



"Stolen" is the right term.
How so?

Look I have studied Hinduism.

you don't have to convince me and tell me the diff of theory and practice.
Because if you do, you will start sounding like a typical Islamist.

Thank you
Clearly not well.
 
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Why an Indian guy burning his tail as to when our history starts?

I mean do we go and tell you when to start your history?

Why so much jealousy and tail burning?
Simple one reason, I have allergy to stupidity!! :)

Also, you can't tell when our history starts as even we don't know.
 
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Its funny how they like to claim everything that belongs to us. The IVC's 'religion' was inspired from Sumerian myths.



Yet both sites were present during the bronze age period. Having Buddha statues excavated from Pakistan proves that Hinduism was never mainstream in our lands. The IVC's religious beliefs too were inspired by Sumerian and even Babylonian myths as both civilizations traded with each other.



Yes and we will re-establish it in some form again.
All excavated Buddha statues are found in KPK which is indeed historically recorded as Buddhist. Punjab and Sindh however were mostly Hindu/Jain.
 
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That's the point Ala hazrat.

Now you say it?

We have been trying to convince from page-1

What point? There was no Pakistan before 1947. The responsibility to pay for the upkeep of the regimental HQ was taken over by the Pakistan when it formally absorbed the units into its newly formed Army. The tombstones still identify them as soldiers of the state to which they belonged at the time of WW1.
 
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Hahaha Pakistanis have a weird interpretation of history. Majority of Buddhist relics recovered are from KPK and surrounding areas, very few found in Punjab, Sindh. Majority of Pakistani castes have Hindu origin like Sudhan/Sheikh(Brahmins), Rajput, Jatt etc. These groups and others make up large numbers in West Punjab and all are recorded as being historically Hindu.
actually gujjars are in majority
 
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