Fighting hopelessness: Panama Case, JIT and the confusions

[Verve]

Bro, I have thought about the possibility of a revolution..

Already in the middle of a 'soft' revolution ... and we've given enough blood to get here.

Martial law, although a possibility, is unlikely. Caretaker gov with the support from Supreme Court to carry out the safaya and repair work is still a democratic way and is likely to avoid a big ho-ha by international establishments. Not sure if Pak Establishment is considering this option now but we are getting there with institutional failures, and NS dissolving the assembly may just clear the path for it. Not heard any analysts talk openly about this yet.

Yes, I think you are right.. 62/ 63 apply on public morality.. but Advocate and Pakora completely ignored the moral honesty/ dishonesty.. That is what I was referring to..

When & If the application on public morality of 62/63 is agreed (as per Khosa +1), IK will face -1. Let's see how all this is played out.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yes, I think you are right.. 62/ 63 apply on public morality.. but Advocate and Pakora completely ignored the moral honesty/ dishonesty.. That is what I was referring to..

I think agar woh dono 62/63 ke precedent cases parh lete tu shayad woh bhi apni opinion change kar lete.. Lekin neeyat ho.....tab na? Because, even Justice Khosa had a different view earlier on 62/63 where he thought its impractical and very difficult to interpret.. But then he said tht now jurists are trying to understand the purpose of 62/63 and are now trying to implement it where they find it suitable,and we shouldnt be apologetc abt its moral aspect..countered pakora judge's argument too, in a way abt legal and moral honesty. And then quoted precedent cases on 62/63 and Justice Qazi faiz Isa's verdict... Lekin ye sab mehnat tu aap tab karein na..jab aap ki neeyat theek ho... Jab neeyat hi theek na ho..tu kia kia jaye?

When & If the application on public morality of 62/63 is agreed (as per Khosa +1), IK will face -1. Let's see how all this is played out.

No... If Justice Khosa's (and Justice Qazi Faiz Isa's) version of 62/63 is agreed upon, IK will not face -1 ... IK 's case doesnt come in tht, i think...

 

[Verve]

No... If Justice Khosa's (and Justice Qazi Faiz Isa's) version of 62/63 is agreed upon, IK will not face -1 ... IK 's case doesnt come in tht, i think...

Wasn't referring to the case against IK that's in SC right now ... was pointing to IK's past frolics (his bachelor days) ...

 

[Farah Sohail]

Wasn't referring to the case against IK that's in SC right now ... was pointing to IK's past frolics (his bachelor days) ...

Yes.. I am also talking abt his past too.. I dont think it will come in 62/63 as per interpretation of Justice Khosa and Justice Qazi Faiz Isa ...of 62/63... This is what i think.. Because they are (his past antics) more personal..rather than what affects the public at large....

 

[El Sidd]

Wasn't referring to the case against IK that's in SC right now ... was pointing to IK's past frolics (his bachelor days) ...

Wrong.

@Farah Sohail @PakSword

The written 62/63 is meant for moral and public honesty based on the term ' huqooq ul ibad'.

 

[Verve]

Wrong.

@Farah Sohail @PakSword

The written 62/63 is meant for moral and public honesty based on the term ' huqooq ul ibad'.

So what a person does in his personal life is not relevant to 62/63? That's interesting ...

 

[El Sidd]

So what a person does in his personal life is not relevant to 62/63? That's interesting ...

Yes.
It is in fact his 'personal life'.
I hope you do understand.

 

[Farah Sohail]

So what a person does in his personal life is not relevant to 62/63? That's interesting ...

This is what I understand.. Justice Qazi Faiz Isa says tht..for Huqooq Allah...let Allah be the judge.. Allah will punish a person, for those sins, on the day of judgment.. He says 62/63 is related to Huqooq ul Ibad..

 

[Verve]

Yes.
It is in fact his 'personal life'.
I hope you do understand.

I like IK, he's a good man. People make mistakes and certain things come out in public due to the nature of things.

Thanks for clarifying that what goes on in personal life doesn't fall under 62/63.

I'm standing for elections next time .... wohooo ...

I'm standing for elections next time .... wohooo ...

and some will be like ..

 

[Awan68]

I support the system as a necessary evil. Its collapse will not be pretty.

One should not wish for chaos where innocents will suffer too.

Had the arabs thought that way there would be no islam today, had the french thought that way n refrained from french revolution france wouldnt be where it is now, had oliver cormwell thought that way n let the monarchy system continue in excuse of saving innocents britain would be very different right now, had quaid e azam thought this way n stepped back from partition just to avoid blood of innocents which was spilled by the way in millions we wouldnt even have pakistan right now, when u go to the gym u dont expect any gains without pain do u? we must follow the example of our ancestors, justice demands sacrfice while peace demands compromise with evil and prolonged suffering of humanity, justice is always unencumbered by thoughts of saving innocent blood, that is why it has been carried on by only the most strong willed through out the pages of history, letting things go on and hoping they would correct themselves are thoughts originated in hypocritical minds that are too weak to struggle for change, reminds me of the slaves that accepted their fate through out antiquity hoping things would resolve themselves,guess what??, they didnt unitl hundreds, heck thousands of years of evolution taught them to rise up and sieze their rights, the way of the prophets, change is directly propotional to action, compromise and hope are two of the devils most lethal tools..

 

[El Sidd]

Had the arabs thought that way there would be no islam today, had the french thought that way n refrained from french revolution france wouldnt be where it is now, had oliver cormwell thought that way n let the monarchy system continue in excuse of saving innocents britain would be very different right now, had quaid e azam thought this way n stepped back from partition just to avoid blood of innocents which was spilled by the way in millions we wouldnt even have pakistan right now, when u go to the gym u dont expect any gains without pain do u? we must follow the example of our ancestors, justice demands sacrfice while peace demands compromise with evil and prolonged suffering of humanity, justice is always unencumbered by thoughts of saving innocent blood, that is why it has been carried on by only the most strong willed through out the pages of history, letting things go on and hoping they would correct themselves are thoughts originated in hypocritical minds that are too weak to struggle for change, reminds me of the slaves that accepted their fate through out antiquity hoping things would resolve themselves,guess what??, they didnt unitl hundreds, heck thousands of years of evolution taught them to rise up and sieze their rights, the way of prophets, change is directly propotional to action, compromise and hope are two of the devils most lethal tools..

There is a method behind every madness.

Allah is merciful by his own words. Why do you question the beauty of ' tawbah '.

That's why I choose the word realisation rather revolution.

I hope you understand.

 

[Awan68]

There is a method behind every madness.

Allah is merciful by his own words. Why do you question the beauty of ' tawbah '.

That's why I choose the word realisation rather revolution.

I hope you understand.

Allah's mercy has terms and conditions my friend, it isnt free, first we have to prove to Him that we will adhere by His teachings and struggle in His way, only in that case is He merciful and benevolent, our peaceful lives that we mistake for His mercy are actually a curse on us, a dreadful wait and the fire that seeks us on the day of judgement for failing to rise up and establish justice on Allahs land, i am not questioning the beauty of tawbah, i am merely stating that most of us have the wrong defination of tawbah, its a long debate that will probably end with the freewill issue so lets avoid that.
Realisation is the prolouge and sometimes the epilogue to every revolution, without realisation there can be no revolution and without revolution there can be no realisation and to determine whether madness has a method or not, we first need to define what actual madness is, cause its a blurred issue, highly dependant upon the changing norms and values and evolution of society...

 

[PakSword]

Sorry for teasing you again.

But

Honesty is an illusion on which a debate still rages within human itself.

I know you would hate me but its Sunday.

Hate you man... Sunday is the very first day of the week here in UAE. Imagine someone reading your comments on the first day of a long work week..

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Joint Comission needs some "Sher" . apply for job in Raiwind palace

 

[Realistic Change]

There could be a Made in Qatar revolution for us in the store. This was posted two hours ago by this Minister

While "donations" to all bars and journalist bodies have worked wonders; now Money Laundering is termed as "Political Case" by Amir Mateen's and likes - using same analogy if politicians murder someone it will also be termed as "Political Case".

Long live $, £, QR, and PKR baaki sabki khair hai