Fifth Of India's Underwater Fleet Out Of Action

[ejaz007]

How can indians build an "indigenous" nuke sub when the facilities are so backward? and often all projects undertaken by any indian shipyards / airplane makers etc cause delay over delay and lots of budget over-run.

No wonder why the 30% complete floating vessel has caused the indians such an official fanfare!

Indian definition of indigenous is different from the rest of the world.

They gather material/equipment/parts from all over the world and and assemble them in India. Then the project becomes indigenous since it was assembled in India.

 

[faithfulguy]

We only have one P8I as of now though Shivalik has certainly increased our capability i would still give japan an edge.

Its clear that numbers make a difference. Actually, US is the #1 naval power in Asia, including Western Pacific region such as East and South China Sea. US also dominate Indian Ocean. US ensure that Strait of Hormuz and Malacca strait are opened, or closed if USN chooses to close it to anyone.

 

[faithfulguy]

just a refit project that has been going on for TEN years and no hope of resailing again?

If Hindustan Shipyard cannot refit it, they should send it to Russia and get it done there. It does not make sense to abandon a whole sub because of trouble with refit a sub.

 

[Thorough Pro]

The real truck load of BS is under thirty feet of water now with all its incompetence, probably some over enthusiastic modi lover fire club S missile at Pakistan from its docked position, or was it a weapon loading accident? normally weapons are loaded at midnight for war patrols, as is claimed by indian sub veterans.

a truck load of BS as usual.

 

[gslv mk3]

How can indians build an "indigenous" nuke sub when the facilities are so backward? and often all projects undertaken by any indian shipyards / airplane makers etc cause delay over delay and lots of budget over-run.

No wonder why the 30% complete floating vessel has caused the Indians such an official fanfare!

get lost idiot!
We have enough expertise to built miniaturized nuclear reactors,pressure hulls and things like that.The article means 'the available naval docks' and not every dock like Larsen&Tourbo's Hazira dock in which Arihant class Submarines hull was being built.l

@TheFlyingPretzel & @Lightningbolt

The real truck load of BS is under thirty feet of water now with all its incompetence, probably some over enthusiastic modi lover fire club S missile at Pakistan from its docked position, or was it a weapon loading accident? normally weapons are loaded at midnight for war patrols, as is claimed by indian sub veterans.

Oh,another one is here with a freight train full of BS!

Taken a lead? The headlines tell the story of a docked submarine which exploded and killed 18 Indian seamen. heck that thing wasn't even moving. Lol. No more bharatrakshak for you. That page is poison.

Do you even know what is the role of P8I??

 

[shuttler]

get lost idiot!
We have enough expertise to built miniaturized nuclear reactors,pressure hulls and things like that.The article means 'the available naval docks' and not every dock like Larsen&Tourbo's Hazira dock in which Arihant class Submarines hull was being built.l

@TheFlyingPretzel & @Lightningbolt

get lost cheerleader

when a hugely incapable people as you who tend to brag so much for the silly ideas of face saving, I hope another tragedy is not happening to your "indigenous" nuke subs where the crew are facing the danger of incompetence day after day even on docking at the naval base

If Hindustan Shipyard cannot refit it, they should send it to Russia and get it done there. It does not make sense to abandon a whole sub because of trouble with refit a sub.

that is correct and a proactive thinking
they are endangering the lives of their crew when their incompetence is written on the walls let alone wasting huge trunks of their rupees

 

[gslv mk3]

Suck it up chump. Crying won't bring the "Protector of the Seas" back. Neither will whining. It only makes you look weak.

Well,what I said what about the pathetic mindset of many Pakistani and Chinese members on that thread who were celebrating the death of Indian sailors,at least learn from your own compatriots,see many Pakistani members ave expressed their condolences in that thread.

As an Indian accept the shortcomings of your navy. Stop dreaming of Blue Water capabilities.

Sorry,We do not require your advice on such things,mean while try to Induct a destroyer to your navy that has more tonnage than our Kamorta class corvette.

Don't blow your trumpet prematurely - a floating 40,000 tonne barge does not qualify as an aircraft carrier. Be patient and pray. Maybe one day France might hand you a working submarine. The Russians clearly played you for fools.

I don't expect the citizen of a country that doesn't have much of shipbuilding capability and only have the capability to assemble parts of a 2500 tonne Chinese frigate to understand anything about shipbuilding ,Here in India,in Cochin Shipyard we have the experience in building 100,000 tonne tankers and have the capability to build 125,000 tonne ships .

We have designed and developed our own ships like Kolkata class destroyers ,Shivalik class friates,Delhi class destroyers and even our nuclear submarines.

So first look at the capability of your own country,before you start to criticize others acheivements,have a look at your own country.

 

[gslv mk3]

get lost cheerleader

when a hugely incapable people as you who tend to brag so much for the silly ideas of face saving, I hope another tragedy is not happening to your "indigenous" nuke subs where the crew are facing the danger of incompetence day after day even on docking at the naval base

As usual you resort to trolling when faced with the truth.As I have said we have docks capable of building a nuclear submarine,the article says ' navy docks '.

And Arihant would be docked at a new dock,which is capable of handling nuke subs-read this

 

[shuttler]

As usual you resort to trolling when faced with the truth.As I have said we have docks capable of building a nuclear submarine,the article says ' navy docks '.

And Arihant would be docked at a new dock,which is capable of handling nuke subs-read this

stop trolling cheerleader

if indian shipyards are capable why it takes 10 and counting years for a submarine refit
if indian shipyards are capable why you let Russians do the refitting of everything that float for you

 

[gslv mk3]

Indian definition of indigenous is different from the rest of the world.

They gather material/equipment/parts from all over the world and and assemble them in India. Then the project becomes indigenous since it was assembled in India.

If you are saying this about the nuke sub,you are totally wrong dude

We built the hull at L&T's Hazira dockyard(Gujarat)

The most advanced component,the nuclear reactor was built by BARC(If you think we dont have enough capability,let me tell you,India has designed and built several PHWRs(540MW one built,700MW one being built and 900MW one under design),our 500MW fast breeder reactor is nearing completion,We are considered world leaders in thorium reactors-we even have a thorium fueled 600MW thorium breeder design)

Tata Power built the control systems for the submarine

The steam turbine were built by Walchandnagar Industries

The SLBM K15 have been developed by DRDO,another 4000km one K4 is under development


If you are saying this about the aircraft carrier,then

The steel for the hull was produced in India

The ship was designed and built in India

The gearbox was built in India

The engine is a American gas turbine,we don't have such high power gas turbines(even china use ukranian gas turbines)

It uses Indo/Israeli SAM and Italian Radar(RAN40L)

if indian shipyards are capable why it takes 10 and counting years for a submarine refit

Thst depends on how many of them are available for contract

if indian shipyards are capable why you let Russians do the refitting of everything that float for you

In the case of the Aircraft carrier,You've seen 75% of hull erected and 85% of it fabricated,havent you?
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[danger007]

bunch of worthless and shameless creatures talking BS here.... does china build any thing without smuggling or importing Russian engineers secretly.... copy cat's talking about Indigenous... funny, Samsung releases S4 at cost 44,390 RS.... chinese junk copied S4 available at 3000RS... with almost same looking and features.... but low standard does it makes chinese junk superior to SAM S4.... crap .... copy masters with their puppet cheerleaders...

 

[Black Eagle 90]

Sub Fire A Major Setback for Indian Navy

NEW DELHI — In a major setback to the Indian Navy’s already depleted submarine strength, a Russian-made kilo-class submarine, INS Sindhurakshak, caught fire at the naval dockyard in Mumbai at midnight Aug. 13 and partially sank, with all 18 crew members declared dead.

Another kilo-class sub, INS Sindhuratna, also was damaged in the fire.

INS Sindhurakshak was prepared for patrol at the time of the fire and was fully loaded with weapons, including torpedoes and cruise missiles, said Navy sources.

Navy officials said the submarine caught fire following explosions but the cause of the explosion is not known. A Defence Ministry source said it seems standard operating procedures may not have been followed. A board of inquiry has been ordered to ascertain the cause of the fire.

The Navy source said the submarine has been badly damaged and is likely lost.

In 2010, there were explosions in the same submarine when it was docked at Visakhapatnam, killing one crew member. An investigation cited a faulty battery valve that leaked hydrogen. The submarine sailed to Russia for refit.

In 2008, another Russian-made kilo-class sub, INS Sindhugosh, collided with a merchant vessel off Mumbai while participating in a naval exercise.

The damage to Sindhurakshak and the second submarine docked alongside has left the Navy with only 11 operational subs.

With decommissionings planned in coming years of aging German HDW-class submarines, the Navy’s submarine fleet could fall to as few as seven, the Navy source added.

The Navy operated 21 submarines in the 1980s. Today, the Chinese sub fleet exceeds 60 vessels and is a point of major concern to the Indian Navy, said an Indian Navy official.

Meanwhile, French-made Scorpene submarines that will be license-produced at Mazagon Docks are nearly 36 months behind schedule and the MoD has yet to float a global tender for the purchase of six conventional submarines with air independent propulsion technology. This project was cleared in late 2010 but no decision has been made whether private sector shipyards will be allowed to participate in the $12 billion tender.

Prior to the Sindhurakshak fire, only 50 percent of the 10 kilo-class submarines in the fleet were fully operational, added the Navy official.

Sindhurakshak Upgrade

The 2010 Sindhurakshak upgrade involved a complete overhaul of the submarine, including the hull structures, as well as improved control systems, sonar, electronic warfare systems, and an integrated weapon control system and installation of Klub missiles.

Indian Dockyards

Indian Navy dockyards do not have adequate repair facilities for submarines, and major refits of kilo subs have to be done in Russia. The poor repair facilities even hamper day-to-day repairs, said the Navy source.

Sub Fire A Major Setback for Indian Navy | Defense News | defensenews.com

Other than the 6 Scorpions submarines which IN might going to get from local shipyard or may be possible that the contract would be given to DCNS directly due to time delays as well as due to the quality.

But there is also a good chance for IN to go for a deal this year with Russian for supplying 6 Amur Class SSKs and with Germans too for supplying 6 U-214 to the the Indian Navy with in 5-6 years of time.

I am sure that all these submarine which will going to make a total of 18 SSKs would help the IN to gain a superior edge on waters.
6 Scorpion
6 U-214
6 Amur

But the question remains that when IN will going to place these of orders of 6 SKKs to Germany as well as to Russia??

 

[Black Eagle 90]

In such case , I wonder , what would you call the INS Viraat which is nearly 60 years old and expected to serve until 2020 ? The Agosta 70 class submarines are not outdated or technologically outmatched , even at the moment so the Pakistani submarines consists of 5 operational submarines , which are more than a match for Indian submarine fleet . Not to mention that the Indian Navy is planning to retire the 4 U209 submarines . If there's one thing , I do not like , it is distortion of facts . Google and compare the both now , there isn't much difference .

When IN had planned to retire their U-209s and also I wanted to tell you that many people were interested that PN should have continued on their acquisition of Agosta-90Bs.

Instead of building 3rd one they should have gone for 3rd and 4th one simultaneously(means building two Agosta-90Bs at a time) and continuing till PN had receive 6-8 Agosta-90Bs in their fleet.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Why bother with facts friend? The only tag you will receive is a 'Modi lover' anyway
As for our friends across the border - if our Navy is so pathetic, then why bother? Why do you wish to point out the errors in our judgement? So that we can improve our Navy? You should instead stay unconcerned with your world class equipment. Let the Indians play with some 'toys'.

get lost idiot!
We have enough expertise to built miniaturized nuclear reactors,pressure hulls and things like that.The article means 'the available naval docks' and not every dock like Larsen&Tourbo's Hazira dock in which Arihant class Submarines hull was being built.l

@TheFlyingPretzel & @Lightningbolt



Oh,another one is here with a freight train full of BS!



Do you even know what is the role of P8I??

 

[kaykay]

Indian navy was seriously considering for another Akula class submarine on lease as Russia has offered that recently. If we go for that then it would be a big boost for navy.