Fellow British Pakistanis on PDF, the British Military Reserve wants YOU!

[El Sidd]

Labour leader; Jeremy Corbyn is known not to like Israel.

Anti semite turd

 

[TMA]

Labour leader; Jeremy Corbyn is known not to like Israel.

Yeah and look at the heat he is facing...do you think he will become PM? Very very unlikely...

 

[El Sidd]

I will do bro, but we will keep this one clear, thank you.

You have my word.

 

[The Diplomat]

Yeah and look at the heat he is facing...do you think he will become PM? Very very unlikely...

In the next elections, I think he will.

 

[Wolfhunter]

So yeah coming back to it, anyone else interested in the reserves?

 

[TMA]

I agree however that is only possible by the sitting government in Pakistan and not us. I hope we become self sufficient one day.

True...

In the next elections, I think he will.

Well I hope you are right...but it will be a blip in the long and illustrious history of Zionist-British relations...

 

[wiseone2]

That would build up with force numbers. The UK has an immense manufacturing base for military hardware. You clearly need to do some research.

I would work my way backwards. what is the budget I can afford ? for every division what is the naval and air power I need to project force ?

blindly saying you need 300,000 troops. saying that you will get the hardware for the air force and naval power projection is enough. there is issue of training and operation costs.

FYI the US Army has 12 divisions. US marines have 4-5 divisions.

Because you need people to operate the equipment, there is more to the Army than just infantry and artillery you know. That is the point I believe @waz was trying to make, without the manpower, all the fancy equipment is useless because you don't have the personnel to man the other fighting and support arms required to keep a well oiled machine moving.

Also due to Mutual Aid agreements under NATO and Joint Rapid Reaction Force mutual agreement with the E.U, Arial and naval assets are shared.

I made a blind assumption that British do not buy the equipment without having soldiers to operate them

 

[waz]

I would work my way backwards. what is the budget I can afford ? for every division what is the naval and air power I need to project force ?

blindly saying you need 300,000 troops. saying that you will get the hardware for the air force and naval power projection is enough. there is issue of training and operation costs.

FYI the US Army has 12 divisions. US marines have 4-5 divisions.

Like I said research, also why are you bringing the US into this?

 

[wiseone2]

Like I said research, also why are you bringing the US into this?

You are asking Britain to maintain a larger army than USA

 

[waz]

You are asking Britain to maintain a larger army than USA

What? The US has 483,000 Active soldiers.

 

[Wolfhunter]

I would work my way backwards. what is the budget I can afford ? for every division what is the naval and air power I need to project force ?

blindly saying you need 300,000 troops. saying that you will get the hardware for the air force and naval power projection is enough. there is issue of training and operation costs.

FYI the US Army has 12 divisions. US marines have 4-5 divisions.

Yeah that's great lets keep this about the U.K and not compare this to the U.S.A please. The new Defence Planning Assumptions envisage that the Armed Forces in the future will be sized and shaped to conduct: an enduring stabilization operation at around brigade level (up to 6,500 personnel) with maritime and air support as required, while also conducting:

• one non-enduring complex intervention (up to 2,000 personnel), and
• one non-enduring simple intervention (up to 1,000 personnel);
• OR alternatively: three non-enduring operations if we were not already engaged in an enduring operation;
• OR: for a limited time, and with sufficient warning, committing all our effort to a one-off intervention of up to three brigades, with maritime and air support (around 30,000, two-thirds of the force deployed to Iraq in 2003).

The Forces available to deliver this include:
• Royal Navy: the deterrent; a new carrier strike capability, routinely operating a mix of aircraft including 12 Joint Strike Fighter fast jets; three Commando specialist high readiness brigade and amphibious shipping which can land and sustain up to 1,800 marines from the sea; 19 frigates and destroyers, and maritime helicopters that can operate from them; seven hunter-killer submarines; 14 mine countermeasure vessels; ISTAR and logistic support vessels.
• Army: one specialist high readiness brigade; five multi-role brigades (one at high readiness) for intervention and stabilization operations; a new range of medium weight armoured vehicles including the Scout reconnaissance vehicle and in due course the Future Rapid Effects System Utility Vehicle; Precision Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System; Army helicopters including Apache and Wildcat. A range of ISTAR capabilities including Watchkeeper unmanned aerial vehicles; and a range of capabilities to counter explosive ordinance and Improvised Explosive Devices.
• Royal Air Force: a fast jet fleet of the most capable combat aircraft based around Typhoon and Joint Strike Fighters, armed with a range of sophisticated air launched weapons including the Storm Shadow cruise missile; a modernised transport and tanker fleet based on C-17, A400M and A330; support helicopters including Chinook, Merlin and Puma; a range of manned and unmanned aircraft for ISTAR tasks; and RAF Regiment Force Protection squadrons at high readiness to protect deployed aircraft and personnel in hostile areas.

• Service Manpower: by 2015, the Royal Navy will have c.30,000 personnel, the Army will have c.95,000 personnel and the Royal Air Force will have c.33,000 personnel.

As part of the Army 2020 plan. (Light and Light Protected Mobility battalions, for a total of possibly 20 formations out of 31). The above plan is for the regular British army, the Territorial Army will supply the missing platoons and bring the battalion up to strength for deployment.

What will this mean?
HQ 102 Logistic Brigade, 32nd Regiment Royal Artillery, 35 Engineer Regiment, Headquarters 64 Works Group Royal Engineers, 2 Medical Regiment, Headquarters 4th Regiment Royal Military Police, 33 Field Hospital and 104,105 and 106 Battalions of the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers reserve will be rationalized, with all manpower in those units being redeployed to other areas of the Army.

The armoured brigades of Army 2020 Refine will be 20th and 12th Brigades. 1st Brigade will convert into a Strike Brigade. The armoured brigades will have two armoured infantry battalions and a tank regiment each. The transfer of Ajax into the Strike Brigades apparently leaves the armoured infantry brigades without a cavalry element, with an obvious negative impact on the overall capability of the formations.

The heavy brigades of the French army do not have a dedicate cavalry regiment for reconnaissance, but they have two tank regiments and each formation includes a couple of 117-strong reconnaissance squadrons. The British Army might or might not attempt a similar mitigation of the problem.

The MOD says that the Challenger 2 LEP programme has a 700 million budget, which is, depending from where you look at it, both small and gigantic, since on the other side of the Channel, France is paying a third of that sum for a very substantial update to as many as 225 Leclerc. The extent of LEP modifications isn’t clear yet, and the MOD is of course not saying how many tanks will be life extended. Army 2020 downsized the active fleet to 227, and a further shrinkage seems assured.

The Strike Brigades will be 1st Brigade, converted from the armoured role, and a "new" brigade. This year will see the Scots Guards and the Household Cavalry move into a "Strike Experimentation Group. In 2019 they will be joined by King's Royal Hussars and 4 SCOTS, and at that point the Group will become a brigade, picking a badge. To me, 4th Infantry Brigade, being based in Catterick

IN: FV520 and FV521

IN: FV514

Specialist Infantry Groups:

The newly formed Specialised Infantry Group will take command of 4 RIFLES and 1 SCOTS in April this year, to achieve an IOC hopefully by the autumn. The Specialised Infantry Battalions are expected to take a permanent regional focus. 4 RIFLES has been assigned to the Middle East.
1 SCOTS will move from Belfast to Aldershot in 2019, to be co-located with the Specialised Infantry Group and its other constituent units.
There is uncertainty still about how large these “specialized” infantry units will be in the end, with figures having given as 200, 270 or 300. There is much still to do to actually build these units and their very peculiar role.

In 2019, two more battalions will join the group: 2nd Battalion The Princess of Wales’s Royal Regiment (currently Light Role) and 2nd Battalion The Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment (currently Light Role). The requirement for a fifth battalion hasn’t yet been ruled out.

Changes in infantry weapons systems:
IN: L129A1

OUT: L85A1

The L129A1 is the DMR and the L86A1 LSW will fulfill fire support role at a fire team level. The L129A1 has been combat tested in Afghanistan and has filled both roles of a sniper rifle and that of a CQB weapon. In an era of austerity and "smart" warfare, new tools and alternatives are the future. The L129A1 is also labelled a sniper support weapon, Infantry snipers will still continue to use L115A3.

The Sig 226 (L105) will replace the Browning High Power as the sidearm of the British Army. A new prototype lightweight SA80 is being developed by Cranfield University and Phase 1 of the prototype is already undergoing field testing this includes the new AG36 grenade launcher!

Under the plans the L128A1 (M4 Super 90) will become the standard issue shotgun for the British Army.

The G3A4 will continue to see service with the Royal Marines:

The L110A2 Minimi with the shorter barrel length has been widely criticised in the Military and it is said that it reduces the useful range of the Minimi to 200 meters, and in any case less than the range of the SA80, which uses the same round but from a 20 inches barrel.

In Afghanistan the Taliban often fired from 500 or more meters away, and the British Army has had to reintroduce the GPMG Light Role (L7A2 with bipod and provision for 50rounds belt) into the Sections/Patrols, after removing it years ago.

The L7A1 (FN MAG 60.20 T3) and L7A2 (FN MAG 60.20 T6) GPMG remain the mainstay supoport weapon of the British Army. The Army is presently engaged with Cranfield University to reduce the overall weight of the GMPG in line with it's 2020 Infantry plans as a priority.

EOD:

29 EOD & Search Group as of now. 35 Regiment coming in and all reserve EOD going into a new 101 (Reserve) Regt.
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Each strike brigade will now have access to the Talisman:

Several engineer groups will be disbanded, whilst others will be integrated into the existing reeve units:

And plenty of other changes which will ultimately mean:

- 60% of a Corps Headquarters
- 1 Deployable Division Headquarters
- 1 Special Forces Group (SAS etc)
- 6 Deployable Brigade Headquarters (3 Commando being increasing questionable)
- Within the above, 20 deployable Battalions -
2 MBT Regiments (with questionable MBTs)
4 Light Cavalry Regiments
4 Armoured Infantry Battalions
4 Mechanised Infantry Battalions (assuming they appear)
6 Light Infantry Battalions (3 Air Assault, 3 Marine)

 

[wiseone2]

What? The US has 483,000 Active soldiers.

I need to study the breakdown of manpower in the US Army. The US Army has 11 active divisions. 1 division ~ 20,000 troops. That accounts for about 220,000. I have no idea what the 270,000 troops not in the 11 divisions are doing. I am sure they are some independent brigades. on top of it the US Army has contractors helping them out. I am not adding US army reserves and national guard troops.

Yeah that's great lets keep this about the U.K and not compare this to the U.S.A please. The new Defence Planning Assumptions envisage that the Armed Forces in the future will be sized and shaped to conduct: an enduring stabilization operation at around brigade level (up to 6,500 personnel) with maritime and air support as required, while also conducting:

• one non-enduring complex intervention (up to 2,000 personnel), and
• one non-enduring simple intervention (up to 1,000 personnel);
• OR alternatively: three non-enduring operations if we were not already engaged in an enduring operation;
• OR: for a limited time, and with sufficient warning, committing all our effort to a one-off intervention of up to three brigades, with maritime and air support (around 30,000, two-thirds of the force deployed to Iraq in 2003).

The Forces available to deliver this include:
• Royal Navy: the deterrent; a new carrier strike capability, routinely operating a mix of aircraft including 12 Joint Strike Fighter fast jets; three Commando specialist high readiness brigade and amphibious shipping which can land and sustain up to 1,800 marines from the sea; 19 frigates and destroyers, and maritime helicopters that can operate from them; seven hunter-killer submarines; 14 mine countermeasure vessels; ISTAR and logistic support vessels.
• Army: one specialist high readiness brigade; five multi-role brigades (one at high readiness) for intervention and stabilization operations; a new range of medium weight armoured vehicles including the Scout reconnaissance vehicle and in due course the Future Rapid Effects System Utility Vehicle; Precision Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System; Army helicopters including Apache and Wildcat. A range of ISTAR capabilities including Watchkeeper unmanned aerial vehicles; and a range of capabilities to counter explosive ordinance and Improvised Explosive Devices.
• Royal Air Force: a fast jet fleet of the most capable combat aircraft based around Typhoon and Joint Strike Fighters, armed with a range of sophisticated air launched weapons including the Storm Shadow cruise missile; a modernised transport and tanker fleet based on C-17, A400M and A330; support helicopters including Chinook, Merlin and Puma; a range of manned and unmanned aircraft for ISTAR tasks; and RAF Regiment Force Protection squadrons at high readiness to protect deployed aircraft and personnel in hostile areas.

• Service Manpower: by 2015, the Royal Navy will have c.30,000 personnel, the Army will have c.95,000 personnel and the Royal Air Force will have c.33,000 personnel.

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As part of the Army 2020 plan. (Light and Light Protected Mobility battalions, for a total of possibly 20 formations out of 31). The above plan is for the regular British army, the Territorial Army will supply the missing platoons and bring the battalion up to strength for deployment.

What will this mean?
HQ 102 Logistic Brigade, 32nd Regiment Royal Artillery, 35 Engineer Regiment, Headquarters 64 Works Group Royal Engineers, 2 Medical Regiment, Headquarters 4th Regiment Royal Military Police, 33 Field Hospital and 104,105 and 106 Battalions of the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers reserve will be rationalized, with all manpower in those units being redeployed to other areas of the Army.

The armoured brigades of Army 2020 Refine will be 20th and 12th Brigades. 1st Brigade will convert into a Strike Brigade. The armoured brigades will have two armoured infantry battalions and a tank regiment each. The transfer of Ajax into the Strike Brigades apparently leaves the armoured infantry brigades without a cavalry element, with an obvious negative impact on the overall capability of the formations.

The heavy brigades of the French army do not have a dedicate cavalry regiment for reconnaissance, but they have two tank regiments and each formation includes a couple of 117-strong reconnaissance squadrons. The British Army might or might not attempt a similar mitigation of the problem.

The MOD says that the Challenger 2 LEP programme has a 700 million budget, which is, depending from where you look at it, both small and gigantic, since on the other side of the Channel, France is paying a third of that sum for a very substantial update to as many as 225 Leclerc. The extent of LEP modifications isn’t clear yet, and the MOD is of course not saying how many tanks will be life extended. Army 2020 downsized the active fleet to 227, and a further shrinkage seems assured.

The Strike Brigades will be 1st Brigade, converted from the armoured role, and a "new" brigade.
This year will see the Scots Guards and the Household Cavalry move into a "Strike Experimentation Group. In 2019 they will be joined by King's Royal Hussars and 4 SCOTS, and at that point the Group will become a brigade, picking a badge. To me, 4th Infantry Brigade, being based in Catterick

Specialist Infantry Groups:

The newly formed Specialised Infantry Group will take command of 4 RIFLES and 1 SCOTS in April this year, to achieve an IOC hopefully by the autumn. The Specialised Infantry Battalions are expected to take a permanent regional focus. 4 RIFLES has been assigned to the Middle East.
1 SCOTS will move from Belfast to Aldershot in 2019, to be co-located with the Specialised Infantry Group and its other constituent units.
There is uncertainty still about how large these “specialized” infantry units will be in the end, with figures having given as 200, 270 or 300. There is much still to do to actually build these units and their very peculiar role.

In 2019, two more battalions will join the group: 2nd Battalion The Princess of Wales’s Royal Regiment (currently Light Role) and 2nd Battalion The Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment (currently Light Role). The requirement for a fifth battalion hasn’t yet been ruled out.

And plenty of changes in Arty, armoured corps, Engineers, Signals, Infantry which all means:

- 60% of a Corps Headquarters
- 1 Deployable Division Headquarters
- 1 Special Forces Group (SAS etc)
- 6 Deployable Brigade Headquarters (3 Commando being increasing questionable)
- Within the above, 20 deployable Battalions -
2 MBT Regiments (with questionable MBTs)
4 Light Cavalry Regiments
4 Armoured Infantry Battalions
4 Mechanised Infantry Battalions (assuming they appear)
6 Light Infantry Battalions (3 Air Assault, 3 Marine)

how big are the Specialised Infantry Groups ??

 

[Wolfhunter]

how big are the Specialised Infantry Groups ??

Strength of 300! (This is a fluid number and may drop to 270 when the 2020 plan is complete).

@wiseone2

Here are the predictions for the restructure in 2020, again these are not set in stone also I have attached the ORBAT for 2020 for you to read at your leisure.

Headquarters Squadron
▪ Command Troop
▪ Light Aid Detachment
▪ Regimental Administration Office
▪ Quartermaster (Main)
▪ Quartermaster (Technical)
▪ Motor Transport Troop
▪ Regimental Aid Post

Command and Support Squadron
▪ Surveillance troop
▪ Guided Weapons troop
▪ Guided Weapons troop
▪ Guided Weapons troop

Sabre Squadron
▪ Reconnaissance troop
▪ Reconnaissance troop
▪ Reconnaissance troop
▪ Support troop

 

[Safriz]

If British mainland is attacked, of-course i will fight and defend Britain. But i will not go to Afghanistan or a foreign land and fight some made up war.

 

[wiseone2]

Strength of 300! (This is a fluid number and may drop to 270 when the 2020 plan is complete).

@wiseone2

Here are the predictions for the restructure in 2020, again these are not set in stone also I have attached the ORBAT for 2020 for you to read at your leisure.

Headquarters Squadron
▪ Command Troop
▪ Light Aid Detachment
▪ Regimental Administration Office
▪ Quartermaster (Main)
▪ Quartermaster (Technical)
▪ Motor Transport Troop
▪ Regimental Aid Post

Command and Support Squadron
▪ Surveillance troop
▪ Guided Weapons troop
▪ Guided Weapons troop
▪ Guided Weapons troop

Sabre Squadron
▪ Reconnaissance troop
▪ Reconnaissance troop
▪ Reconnaissance troop
▪ Support troop

UK is an island country. I assume if you are sending forces to foreign countries you need ships and equipment for amphibious warfare. Under which branch would that equipment show up ? I assume ships would be under the Royal Navy.

If British mainland is attacked, of-course i will fight and defend Britain. But i will not go to Afghanistan or a foreign land and fight some made up war.

Afghanistan is not a made up war. Taliban sheltered likes of Osama as they kept committing acts of terror ending in 9/11