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Falklands war. The day Argenina took back Falklands from Britain.

IMO if they bought their military hardware from USSR instead of from NATO countries they would have prevailed considering both British carriers would have been sunk by land based jets.

If Argentina had Russian equipment it would have been NATO and US allies vs Argentina. There would have been no Rio pact for Argentina. US was willing to fight next door to nuclear armed China over Korea and Vietnam and ready for a nuclear war with Russia over nukes on Cuba. US would have taken the opportunity to "liberate" Argentina.

The whole thing is kind of mind boggling. A naval engagement, air war, land war and amphibious landing all on the other side of the planet. Little Britain sent 127 ships. 36 Harriers. And the British won but not without cost.
 
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The only realistic way of winning that war was attritioning the British to exhaustion since they would run out of supply to continue due to resupply issues associated with the location. But that did not happen, instead the Brits engaged in a series of offensive battles despite being outnumbered by great amounts in the dark and with limited mobility. Even then they were able to outsmart and outmaneuver the Argentinians via Land, Air and Sea.

Here is a good documentary if you are interested, although it is primarily from the British viewpoint.
Tipping point was when the UK sent Vulcan nuclear bombers to bomb Argentinian airstrips , that scared the hell out of the Argentinians. Also UK nuke subs in the operation theatre neutralised the Argie navy. The Argie vintage aircraft were no match for the UK fighters and were quickly neutralised. Only threat which took us by surprise were the successful use of Exocet missiles by low flying planes. Exocets almost tilted the outcome of the war if a few more had hit Royal Navy ships.
 
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Little Britain sent 127 ships. 36 Harriers. And the British won but not without cost.

Britain didn't care how many men they lose. They lost millions of men in WW1 and still won the war. Argentina didn't have the necessary military hardware to win a modern war. If Argentina had sufficient men and military hardware like China does Britain would have given up Falklands to Argentina without a fight the way Britain gave up Hong Kong to China without a fight. Britain won Falklands war not because Britain was strong, it was because Argentina was weak.
 
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I cant gaurantee the argentine army/navy can take back the Falklands... but I can certainly gaurantee Argentine airforce will gain complete dominance over the Falklands and be a threat that the British navy has never seen at the Seas since WW2 with 24 JF-17s (2- Squadrons)
 
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I cant gaurantee the argentine army/navy can take back the Falklands... but I can certainly gaurantee Argentine airforce will gain complete dominance over the Falklands and be a threat that the British navy has never seen at the Seas since WW2 with 24 JF-17s (2- Squadrons)
Not just JF17s but they will need the complete package of Early Warning and ECM planes and JF17s armed with BV PL15s and PL12s. However without nukes Argentina can do little.
 
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Falkland war has shown what Britain is capable of..... a small island nation comes 1000s of miles from north Atlantic and beat the crap out of a country which is almost as big as India..... what a shame for Argentina....
India is well aware of the feeling , they go through it every day...at the hands of an enemy 1/3rd its size.
 
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Britain didn't care how many men they lose. They lost millions of men in WW1 and still won the war. Argentina didn't have the necessary military hardware to win a modern war. If Argentina had sufficient men and military hardware like China does Britain would have given up Falklands to Argentina without a fight the way Britain gave up Hong Kong to China without a fight. Britain won Falklands war not because Britain was strong, it was because Argentina was weak.

We will have to wait for somebody to attack something the British own. See what happens.

btw Britain DIDN'T GIVE UP Hong Kong. Britain NEVER owned Hong Kong. It was a LEASE. Britain followed the law as was written in the agreement they signed with China. Sure a lot of the imperialist crowd didn't like it but the agreement was well crafted and left no wiggle room.

Caring? If they cared the Roman/Greek/IndoEuropean R1b/R1a men wouldn't have been in Europe in the first place. But hey not like anybody else cares, either. Once China and India were safe and rich they didn't give a damn about people elsewhere. Russians take huge lands while making sure R1b can't get back into Asia. Arabs were and kind of still are slavers. Everybody is still eager to plunder Africa and push Africans in the dirt. So, not much point talking about caring.
 
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Argentina are crazy to think they can initiate a miitary operation "then", or even "now" and see that through to victory against the UK. We can cut off any sea links they have with the rest of the world, and not just the Falklands.

The Falklands war, was the last roll of the dice to try and capture the islands as Argentina was at the peak of their military capability back then. All that capability they had is now lost. 2 Squadrons of anything, will make no difference. The UK, while smaller, is still, in real terms massive compared to Argentina.. it is a non-contest now..
 
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Could have, should have doesn't cut it. They were decisively beaten on the land as well. Sure had they had a greater inventory of anti-ship missiles, more jets etc, they could have inflicted a great blow. Would that have won the war, doubt it.
On a side note, what exactly were they taking back? They're of European decent. They wiped out most of the native Indians. They have no right to the Islands.

Roca's 6,000-strong cavalry force crushed Mapuche and other Indian groups, killing more than 1,000 and capturing thousands more who became servants or prisoners and were prevented from having children. Campaign dispatches depicted them as barely human.

White settlers turned the conquered lands into a breadbasket which made Argentina an agricultural superpower and a confident, thrusting nation in the early 20th century.



Unlike most of its neighbours, which all have significant indigenous or black populations, Argentina’s population is 97% white, or mestizo, mixed European and Amerindian descent.



They haven't finished yet;

"There is an ongoing extermination of the aborigines in the Chaco ... land is a big issue here," he explained.
"They are aware "the whites" [non-Aboriginal Argentinians] are violating their rights. But they are too weak – physically and politically – to protes




Yep this is the biggest joke when Argentine descendants of white colonialists accuse the UK of taking the Falklands from them as colonial.

The Falklands white Argentinian garrison were kicked out in 1833 and sent back to Argentina but the few settlers were encouraged to stay.

Since 1833 the Falklands has been mainly settled by people of UK stock who have turned it into a real living habitat, and Argentina needs to respect that they are now the indigenous population and they have every right to live under UK rule if that is what they wish.

They need to stop whining and actually work with the UK and Falklands Islands for their own benefit as their country is not exactly a great economic success story.
Argentina are crazy to think they can initiate a miitary operation "then", or even "now" and see that through to victory against the UK. We can cut off any sea links they have with the rest of the world, and not just the Falklands.

The Falklands war, was the last roll of the dice to try and capture the islands as Argentina was at the peak of their military capability back then. All that capability they had is now lost. 2 Squadrons of anything, will make no difference. The UK, while smaller, is still, in real terms massive compared to Argentina.. it is a non-contest now..



Even say somehow Argentina manages to overcome the garrison in the Falklands, which has next to nil possibility, the RN will be able to sail down with it's fleet centred around the 2 Queen Elizabeth carriers and give the Argentines a smacking 10 times as hard as back in 1982.

This whining from them is becoming annoying now and they need to grow up. At least Spain has a reasonable reason to complain about Gibraltar as it is part of the Iberian peninsula.
 
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We will have to wait for somebody to attack something the British own. See what happens.

btw Britain DIDN'T GIVE UP Hong Kong. Britain NEVER owned Hong Kong. It was a LEASE. Britain followed the law as was written in the agreement they signed with China. Sure a lot of the imperialist crowd didn't like it but the agreement was well crafted and left no wiggle room.
 
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Not just JF17s but they will need the complete package of Early Warning and ECM planes and JF17s armed with BV PL15s and PL12s. However without nukes Argentina can do little.

I don't think even that would help, we have 4 EFT permanently based in Falklands now, if EFT were not enough the new carriers with F35 are no joke either.

Argentinians will need everything including the kitchen sink and then some to take Falkland Islands.
 
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the 1898, 99 year lease treaty was called the Convention between the United Kingdom and China, Respecting an Extension of Hong Kong Territory. Must be some reason why the word extension was used instead of enlargement or expansion.
 
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I don't think even that would help, we have 4 EFT permanently based in Falklands now, if EFT were not enough the new carriers with F35 are no joke either.

Argentinians will need everything including the kitchen sink and then some to take Falkland Islands.


The whole scenario is preposterous as the RAF can reinforce the Falklands with more Typhoons in just 12 hours.

There are 3 early warning radar stations on the Islands and a RN SSN is thought to always be not too far off from the region at all times, and so the Argentines would have to be suicidal to risk any of their major surface ships to attack the Falklands.

Rapier SAMs protect the airbase at Mount Pleasant and a new more capable system will come online in the next few years.

Add to this 600 or so heavily armed troops waiting for the Argentines and so the chances of any "surprise" invasion succeeding are around a big fat zero.
 
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