Faked Bin Laden Tapes?

[pakomar]

pakomar,

Thanks for your reply.

First, we REMAIN discussing OBL and I'm still curious how you'd evaluate the ability of A.Q. to re-create a dead OBL using this amazingly easy and easily-found tool?

Could you answer that question please?

Secondly, regardless of your thoughts about the gov't of Afghanistan's bias to America, wouldn't you agree that the C.I.A. doesn't need to re-create OBL in order to have bases in Afghanistan? Afterall, the U.N. mandate is a stabilization mission that has nothing to do specifically with OBL and America and forty other nations have that authority.

I do not know why American live in lies. Why in the world bin laden wants his fake video to be made? If he is alive according to CIA, then why a fake video why can he stand in front of camera. CIA is making fake videos to have a reason to stay in Afghanistan. but for sake of argument these videos are made by Taliban then why CIA shown them to American public and why CIA say that they have another bin laden video and it is serious instated of saying they are fake.

Either CIA should agree that bin laden is dead or admit that these videos are fake and made by someone else. In this case one statement should be true but for CIA believe both are true. HOW? If a man is alive why a fake video. Answer me



UN mandatory is same as US? Only giving a baseless reason to stay. If UN is for peace keeping than they should be used on Israel war crime for Gaza. Why UN was not respected when they said there is no weapon of mass destruction in Iraq? Answer me that too

 

[S-2]

Thanks. We've had a good chat.

I'll always remember it fondly.

 

[Keysersoze]

Keys,

Since you have done a fair amount of conspiracy theory busting on the 911 issue, ar the arguments made in the article correct?

Was the video claiming responsibility a fake?

Sorry AM the answer is No despite what a few mental defectives out there think...You have to remember that this is essentially a war of intel by both sides. The guys who record the message will do everything to obscure things like background noise,visual clues etc. The Intelligence agencies will do as much as possible to gather the same clues.

Another chuckleheaded comment was about facial features...... rankly this is utter tripe. If you look at different pictures from different points in different people lives then they will look different. Why? simple..... people have accidents, gain and lose weight get a tan from being out the sun or become paler after illnesses. the list is endless but the real world does not interest patent idiots who wanna believe SO BAD!

Frankly the CIA could easily (with the billions at their hands) make a much better effort that wouldn't be discovered by a "genius" like A-1 KAID

 

[Captain03]

bin laden is probably enjoying life somewhere else and is probably being protected by the cia
what's surprising is that the world hasn't seen bin laden since 01 and the last people to see him were cia agent [true story]
there are many things that object to the u.s.'s so called "truth"

 

[Keysersoze]

Sigh...so many of you are bastions of truth......but apparently not logic and fact. So many real conspiracies out there and yet you chase bullshit.......so much energy wasted on nothing....

 

[A1Kaid]

Sorry AM the answer is No despite what a few mental defectives out there think...You have to remember that this is essentially a war of intel by both sides. The guys who record the message will do everything to obscure things like background noise,visual clues etc. The Intelligence agencies will do as much as possible to gather the same clues.

Another chuckleheaded comment was about facial features...... rankly this is utter tripe. If you look at different pictures from different points in different people lives then they will look different. Why? simple..... people have accidents, gain and lose weight get a tan from being out the sun or become paler after illnesses. the list is endless but the real world does not interest patent idiots who wanna believe SO BAD!

Frankly the CIA could easily (with the billions at their hands) make a much better effort that wouldn't be discovered by a "genius" like A-1 KAID

I will respond to this when I have time, please do not EDIT your post, you have given me all the ammunition I could ever ask for...

I'll get back to you when I'm finished with my personal work.

 

[Keysersoze]

I will respond to this when I have time, please do not EDIT your post, you have given me all the ammunition I could ever ask for...

I'll get back to you when I'm finished with my personal work.

Yawn......somehow I doubt it....frankly you are an idiot as your previous posts have proven....I am sure some uneducated fools will love you though so crack on!

Well done though I am sure you have defeated the CIA all by yourself! they must be terrified of your analytical skills

feel free to EDIT all your crap as much as you like.......I am bored by the supporters of stupidity and ignorance....

 

[pakomar]

Thanks. We've had a good chat.

I'll always remember it fondly.

Than you admit that America is fighting a war of lies. Even solder on the ground do not know what they are fighting for. I answered your question now you answer mine my following question or say that so called war on terror is a lie.

1.Either CIA should agree that bin laden is dead or admit that these videos are fake and made by someone else. In this case one statement should be true but for CIA believe both are true. HOW? If a man is alive why a fake video. Answer me



2.UN mandatory is same as US? Only giving a baseless reason to stay. If UN is for peace keeping than they should be used on Israel war crime for Gaza. Why UN was not respected when they said there is no weapon of mass destruction in Iraq? Answer me that too

 

[S-2]

pakomar,

1.) the C.I.A. has admitted that OBL is alive or dead. They're emphatic that it's one or the other and have the evidence that this is so. We've actually known this for some time.

2.) Yes. The U.N. is in America. New York actually. They like New York so it's not baseless. Use the U.N. anywhere possible. They appreciate the work.

"Why UN was not respected when they said there is no weapon of mass destruction in Iraq?"

They did great work.

Thanks, pakomar.

 

[roadrunner]

pakomar,

Thanks for your reply.

First, we REMAIN discussing OBL and I'm still curious how you'd evaluate the ability of A.Q. to re-create a dead OBL using this amazingly easy and easily-found tool?

Could you answer that question please?

Secondly, regardless of your thoughts about the gov't of Afghanistan's bias to America, wouldn't you agree that the C.I.A. doesn't need to re-create OBL in order to have bases in Afghanistan? Afterall, the U.N. mandate is a stabilization mission that has nothing to do specifically with OBL and America and forty other nations have that authority.

This is an interesting comment by you-

"...because majority of people want NATO troop to leave Afghanistan(that why they are fighting)."

Question #18 from a recent ABC news poll asks-

"18. Do you strongly support, somewhat support, somewhat oppose or strongly oppose the presence of the following groups in Afghanistan today?"

The Afghan presence today of U.S. military forces had a net approval of 63%. NATO/ISAF 59%. Jihadi foreign fighters 11%. Taliban 8%. Foreign NGOs 73%. See page 22, Question 18 please-

ABC/BBC/ARD Afghanistan Poll- Feb. 9, 2009

The majority of people DON'T want NATO troops to leave Afghanistan. You are mis-informed but now you've no excuse to remain so.

Your abysmal knowledge of Afghanistan continues.

Ask an Afghan who do you support, the answer will be whoever is in charge. They do not understand freedom of speech due to years of horrible regimes.

When the Taliban swept to power, guess who the Afghans were lining the roads and cheering for?

Take your time over this one..

 

[S-2]

ad hominem attacks. The survey is extensive. Maybe too much so for you, Mr. think-tanky.

If you can't offer anything that resembles a lucidly conceived and semi-articulate thought why don't you do something useful and stay off the keyboard?

Reading your bile which is substituted for content is excruciating to the eyes.

Thanks.

 

[S-2]

Might be easy to conclude from your anecdotal observation that the foreign irhabists control about 11% and the taliban about 8%. Afterall, they'll vote for whoever happens to be standing around.

Great to know that NGOs are covering 73% of the nation.

Spare us.

Thanks.

 

[Awesome]

I would just like to offer an American perspective on the proposition of bin Laden tapes being faked by the CIA. I cannot believe that the CIA could get away with it. I know you all believe that the CIA is so incredibly competent and can cause untold world events to transpire without leaving any clear fingerprints. BUT I don't believe that they are that competent. I believe that IF they were faking bin Laden tapes since 2001, it would have leaked by now. Because of the internal political competition in the US between liberals and conservatives, and Republicans and Democrats, there is always someone in these US Agencies and Departments who will leak ANYTHING that will damage the "other" side of the competition. That is why the US cannot keep things like Gitmo or Abu Ghraib secret for very long. If the Bush CIA were doing what is proposed here, some Democrat in the CIA would have leaked it LONG ago. In fact, he would have made sure the info got out in time to torpedo Bush's re-election in 2004. So, regardless of all this touchy feely stuff about voices and faces changing, which I don't believe is proven in any technically rigorous way anyway, the BIG picture doesn't add up. The Bush CIA couldn't have done it and kept it a secret from the New York Times and Washington Post for 8 years. No way.

I mean ok thats one way to argue against it. "It's too big a lie". You know what they say about the bigger the lie...

Anyway, but you got to admit, from just seeing those tapes one after the other, they are quite a bad job. If CIA didn't do it, they did buy that this BAD editing job is the real deal.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Anyway, but you got to admit, from just seeing those tapes one after the other, they are quite a bad job. If CIA didn't do it, they did buy that this BAD editing job is the real deal.

No, I don't have to admit that. From the CIA's perspective, they have nothing to gain by saying that a faked al Qaeda tape is faked. If al Qaeda wants to put out a tape to al Jazeera that perpetuates the mystic of bin Laden, then the CIA only loses if it says it is a fake with no proof. The CIA cannot go on record saying bin Laden has assumed room temperature until it has DNA evidence that says so. So IF al Qaeda is putting out fake bin Laden tapes, the CIA will go along until it can PROVE otherwise. IF the voice prints are absolutely conclusive that it is not bin Laden speaking, then they MIGHT say so, so as to avoid embarrassment by an analysis by some US university professor. But if the voice prints are ambiguous, the CIA will not buck the ambiguity.

 

[Awesome]

No, I don't have to admit that. From the CIA's perspective, they have nothing to gain by saying that a faked al Qaeda tape is faked. If al Qaeda wants to put out a tape to al Jazeera that perpetuates the mystic of bin Laden, then the CIA only loses if it says it is a fake with no proof. The CIA cannot go on record saying bin Laden has assumed room temperature until it has DNA evidence that says so. So IF al Qaeda is putting out fake bin Laden tapes, the CIA will go along until it can PROVE otherwise. IF the voice prints are absolutely conclusive that it is not bin Laden speaking, then they MIGHT say so, so as to avoid embarrassment by an analysis by some US university professor. But if the voice prints are ambiguous, the CIA will not buck the ambiguity.

But they didn't. What should happen, and what has happened is different.

Do you have any doubts, today in 2009, that fatso Bin Laden was a fake? Do YOU, not CIA, do you think that was a fake Bin Laden?