Failed suicide attack kills bomber in Azad Kashmir

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Or, isn't it just possible that people in Pakistan Controlled Kashmir are also dissatisfied and one maniac tried to kill some innocent civilians, and fortunately failed?

Ever considered that?

now several pakistanis see an "Indian " hand in this incident ....what they conveniently choose to ignore are the desperate conditions in the so called "Azad Kashmir" .....this could very well be a dire indication to the years of economic neglect and mounting frustration among the local populace while a group of fanatics come in trucks and jeeps screaming about "Azaadi" from " indian occupation" and "jihad against India" for recruiting misguided youths.....i suspect this incident is a grim reminder to the ISI that " a serpent would inevitably bite the very hand which feeds it"........

If local resentment was the issue, then one would see it expressed through a serious of escalating steps - protests, riots, violence, conventional attacks and then suicide bombings.

One doesn't just go from alleged 'resentment in society over poor economic conditions' to 'suicide bombings'.

On the rest, Indians keep repeating the canard about lack of coverage in AK, yet at the same time make claims like 'the prosperity on our side of the border has long been measured and rated higher than yours by independent sources.....
..no one disputes that.....regards.... '

--- If it is 'measured and rated' then obviously there is comprehensive enough coverage and analysis of the situation in AK to debunk the claim about 'lack of coverage'. And if the claim of 'lack of coverage' is true, then there is no way to 'measure and rate' the situation in Azad Kashmir, which debunks the Indian claim of 'measured and rated higher prosperity'.

You cannot make both claims at the same time.

 

[muse]

India are under heavy pressure in captive Kashmir, the best way to deflect this pressure is to ensure that events in Azad or Liberated Kashmir capture the attention of the world media, particularly if such events can be conflated with the TTP -- Some elements in the Indian external intelligence service seem to be desperate and willing to up the ante - Wonder what the US reaction to this play is and how Pakistan will, or not, give Indian external intelligence cause to reconsider the hand they think they are holding.

It has now been internalized that a good number of movements operational in captive Kashmir, have been effectively infiltrated by Indian intelligence (with the aid of a third intelligence service), indeed, this had led to a reevaluation in Pakistani intelligence, with some powerful officers responsible for managing relations with movements in captive Kashmir, offered retirement.

A supplementary view is that the mercenary bomber was "exploded" by his Indian handlers as a message to Pakistan government and in particular to the Chinese government as a signal of what kind of trouble the Indian foreign intelligence service can create for them in Northern Pakistan.

 

[The_Assassin]

If local resentment was the issue, then one would see it expressed through a serious of escalating steps - protests, riots, violence, conventional attacks and then suicide bombings.

One doesn't just go from alleged 'resentment in society over poor economic conditions' to 'suicide bombings'.

What do you say about this:

The breathless reporting out of Attabad, a
picturesque village perched on the mountains in
Hunza valley of the Gilgit-Baltistan region, has
almost stopped. A lake formed as a result of a
massive earthquake more than six months ago has
become part of the local landscape, at least for
another month or more. And over 25,000 villagers,
uprooted by this monstrous lake from their homes,
are losing patience now. “Their women are
developing psychological problems,” admits Wazir
Baig, speaker of the Gilgit-Baltistan Assembly.
Frustrated, they even threatened to commit suicide
en masse. Perhaps this is not enough to move the
authorities busy pursuing their corruption cases,
outwitting their rivals, defending their forged
educational certificates and squandering taxpayers'
money to buy loyalties of lawyers.
tribune.com.pk/story/28768/attabad-out-of-sight-out-
of-mind/

 

[GUNNER]

What do you say about this:

What is the outcome of a natural disaster? Tragedy and suffering. You can try to give it a twist of your liking. But, what happened to the poor people in Attabad is not much different than what has happened to people in Leh. Such scenes and views are common in every disaster stricken part of the world. Even in the US. But it isn't the tip of an iceberg. It isn't the result of a simmering discontent with Pakistan.

 

[The_Assassin]

What is the outcome of a natural disaster? Tragedy and suffering. You can try to give it a twist of your liking. But, what happened to the poor people in Attabad is not much different than what has happened to people in Leh. Such scenes and views are common in every disaster stricken part of the world. Even in the US. But it isn't the tip of an iceberg. It isn't the result of a simmering discontent with Pakistan.

Leh is being rebuild at a rapid pace and the people of leh are not complaining of total neglect from the government. As far as P-O-K is concerned, the pak authorities have not even delivered on the promises made during the 2005 earthquake. The literacy rate in Gilgit-Baltistan is 15% male; 3.5% female (World Bank estimates of 1997). Per Capita Income: PCI of Gilgit-Baltistan is
around one-fourth of Pakistan’s average (US$264 compared to pakistan's US$ 1,071). More than two-thirds of the villages lack potable water, electricity, telephone, health units, girls’ schools, paved roads, ration depot, and pony tracks. And this was before floods. So it is just a matter of time before a storm takes place there.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What do you say about this:

Its called 'clutching at straws' and making comments about a situation of which you have not bothered to learn anything about.

The Hunza landslides and subsequent lake occurred in Giligt-Baltistan, the suicide attacks occurred in Azad Kashmir.

 

[The_Assassin]

The Hunza landslides and subsequent lake occurred in Giligt-Baltistan, the suicide attacks occurred in Azad Kashmir.

Both of whom are recognized as Part of Princely state of Jammu & Kashmir by the world.

 

[GUNNER]

Leh is being rebuild at a rapid pace and the people of leh are not complaining of total neglect from the government.

That's not what i saw at CNN-IBN today !

As far as P-O-K is concerned, the pak authorities have not even delivered on the promises made during the 2005 earthquake.

And, how would you know that?

The literacy rate in Gilgit-Baltistan is 15% male; 3.5% female (World Bank estimates of 1997). Per Capita Income: PCI of Gilgit-Baltistan is around one-fourth of Pakistan’s average (US$264 compared to pakistan's US$ 1,071). More than two-thirds of the villages lack potable water, electricity, telephone, health units, girls’ schools, paved roads, ration depot, and pony tracks.

13 year old figures? You need to get updated friend ! The storm you are looking for... is in full swing.. Just see the death toll of today in held Kashmir.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Leh is being rebuild at a rapid pace and the people of leh are not complaining of total neglect from the government. As far as P-O-K is concerned, the pak authorities have not even delivered on the promises made during the 2005 earthquake. The literacy rate in Gilgit-Baltistan is 15% male; 3.5% female (World Bank estimates of 1997). Per Capita Income: PCI of Gilgit-Baltistan is
around one-fourth of Pakistan’s average (US$264 compared to pakistan's US$ 1,071). More than two-thirds of the villages lack potable water, electricity, telephone, health units, girls’ schools, paved roads, ration depot, and pony tracks. And this was before floods. So it is just a matter of time before a storm takes place there.

While honouring the sentiments and demands of the local people, the government of Pakistan recently awarded independent status to these areas and their nomenclature has also been changed to Gilgit and Baltistan. This is not just a change of the name, rather giving an identity to the local people. Northern Areas are comprised of six districts named Gilgit, Ghizer, Astore, Diamer, Skardu and Ghanche. The population of the region is about 1.5 million. Approximately 86 per cent of the population in the Northern Areas lives in the rural areas as compared with an estimated 66 per cent for Pakistan as a whole.

Although education is a provincial subject, but as the Northern Areas were administered by the Federal Government, hence the Federal Government itself was responsible for making provisions for education of children in these areas. According to a 1998 census, the adult literacy in Gilgit and Baltistan was about 38 per cent, which has now risen to 53 per cent in 2005-6 (males 64 per cent and females 41 per cent). This figure is slightly higher than the national figure of 52 per cent in 2006-7 (PSLM, 2006-7). At present Gilgit and Baltistan have a system of education comprising about 2,100 schools or educational institutions, including schools set up by the Federal Government, community-based schools, schools set up by Aga Khan Education Services (AKES) and other NGOs.

However, due to the physical features of these areas the provision of educational facilities in these areas has been a daunting task. Gilgit and Baltistan are isolated and happen to be most inaccessible mountainous regions with a harsh physical environment and severe weather conditions.

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DAWN.COM | Education | Education in Gilgit and Baltistan

 

[GUNNER]

Both of whom are recognized as Part of Princely state of Jammu & Kashmir by the world.

That's not what China says. Or is China not included in your definition of the world?

 

[The_Assassin]

That's not what China says. Or is China not included in your definition of the world?

China itself wants a big slice of J&K and Pak is happy to give it to them. Thus both are happy. Moreover China also says that Taiwan is not a separate country but many countries recognize Taiwan as a separate country.

According to a 1998 census, the adult literacy in Gilgit and Baltistan was about 38 per cent, which has now risen to 53 per cent in 2005-6 (males 64 per cent and females 41 per cent).

I would like to rely on World bank figures rather than Pakistani figures which are tinkered to suit the Pakistani agenda and if the difference between WB figures and Pak figures is so high then it is self-explanatory as to who is correct.

While honouring the sentiments and demands of the local people, the government of Pakistan recently awarded independent status to these areas and their nomenclature has also been changed to Gilgit and Baltistan. This is not just a change of the name, rather giving an identity to the local people.

That is the biggest swindle against the people of Balwaristan. They were promised self rule and autonomy but have been cheated as they will now be forced to have a puppet Govt. like AJK. Since 2006 AJK PM has been changed 4 times with 3 no-confidence motion and people have completely lost faith in AJK govt.

 

[GUNNER]

Moreover China also says that Taiwan is not a separate country but many countries recognize Taiwan as a separate country.

Which is why it is called a disputed territory my friend..

That is the biggest swindle against the people of Balwaristan. They were promised self rule and autonomy but have been cheated as they will now be forced to have a puppet Govt. like AJK.

And you have proof of these promises i am sure .. ?

Sounds more like the promises India made to it's beloved Kashmiri leader before throwing him into prison .. !

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I would like to rely on World bank figures rather than Pakistani figures which are tinkered to suit the Pakistani agenda and if the difference between WB figures and Pak figures is so high then it is self-explanatory as to who is correct.

What are the WB figures for 2005-2006?

And do you then admit that the claims made by Indians and some Westerners with an agenda, that there is absolutely no access to G-B by outsiders to research and analyze the socio-economic conditions, is patently false, since without comprehensive outsider access the WB or any other entity could not provide any figures on the socio-economic conditions?

That is the biggest swindle against the people of Balwaristan. They were promised self rule and autonomy but have been cheated as they will now be forced to have a puppet Govt. like AJK. Since 2006 AJK PM has been changed 4 times with 3 no-confidence motion and people have completely lost faith in AJK govt.

Hasn't the no-confidence motion been initiated by the legislators in the AK parliament?

 

[The_Assassin]

Hasn't the no-confidence motion been initiated by the legislators in the AK parliament?

Under whose directions ??? Why was there no other nomination ??? Why was he removed after just days of this article

'JK PMadvises Pakistan to give up
'Kashmir first' policy',TheNews, July6,2010

ISLAMABAD: In a major policy shift, the AJK
Prime Minister, Raja Farooq Haider, advised
Pakistan not to link the ongoing negotiations with
India with the resolution of the Kashmir dispute and
instead first resolve the small irritants and
controversial issues before finally sorting out the
core issue of Kashmir.
He also backed the proposal to give the status of
'Most Favourite Nation' (MFN) to India and allow
New Delhi to use Pakistani soil as a transit route for
trade purposes. India had already given MFN status
to Pakistan but Islamabad never reciprocated this
gesture on the ground that unless Kashmir was
resolved, it would not confer this status on New
Delhi.
..............
thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=29854

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Under whose directions ??? Why was there no other nomination ??? Why was he removed after just days of this article

You tell me - you are the one speculating. And what does the excerpt you posted have to do with anything being discussed here?

As far as I can tell, the locally elected legislators used the rules of parliamentary democracy to express dissatisfaction with their premiers and started no-confidence motions against them. If you think otherwise, as in the case of the literacy rates, then some evidence to back up your speculation would be appreciated.