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[Armstrong]

@Nihonjin1051 - Since the topic of racism is being discussed; do you think if I crack a joke about Japanese men not being able to grow a beard that could be classed as racist ?

 

[Jango]

How does drawing a cartoon equal rape, murder or robbery? Besides,drawing a cartoon of Prophet PBUH is an offence only in certain countries and not in others, since it is a matter of legal practices according to each country. Therefore, stating that "a cartoon of the Prophet PBUH is a forbidden act" is incorrect as a universal truth.

Maaf kar chacha...

Bana lo aap cartoons jitnay bananay hain...not as if I am going to hell for it.

BTW, yes it ain't forbidden in laws of countries, but it is in Islam. And I didn't mention that I am expecting justice from the aforementioned countries (for that my argument wouldn't have been true), but as I said in post 82, I believe that Allah will judge them, not any man. So this act being legal or not in any country does not matter as if Allah is going to judge them, it's going to be His laws.

Good day.

 

[Aepsilons]

@Nihonjin1051 - Since the topic of racism is being discussed; do you think if I crack a joke about Japanese men not being able to grow a beard that could be classed as racist ?

No because there's some truth to it.

 

[Jango]

@Nihonjin1051 - Since the topic of racism is being discussed; do you think if I crack a joke about Japanese men not being able to grow a beard that could be classed as racist ?

Yar tujhay aik ban chahiay kia? :p

 

[salarsikander]

Now its two billions lol...and you know what? Freedom needs an enemy to be fressh. two billion barbarians won´t change out freedom.

Well they actually you did your country Germany or itlay whatever it is though pff
cowered to us. Call it anything but for you i will say they bow down they knew the price they would pay.

Good they realized it earlier, the sooner the better

 

[VCheng]

Maaf kar chacha...

Bana lo aap cartoons jitnay bananay hain...not as if I am going to hell for it.

BTW, yes it ain't forbidden in laws of countries, but it is in Islam. And I didn't mention that I am expecting justice from the aforementioned countries (for that my argument wouldn't have been true), but as I said in post 82, I believe that Allah will judge them, not any man. So this act being legal or not in any country does not matter as if Allah is going to judge them, it's going to be His laws.

Good day.

Yes, that is why it is also important to note that Islam and its interpretations of what is forbidden and permitted does not apply to the entire world, and Muslims should understand this fact and its implications.

 

[Armstrong]

Maaf kar chacha...

Bana lo aap cartoons jitnay bananay hain...not as if I am going to hell for it.

BTW, yes it ain't forbidden in laws of countries, but it is in Islam. And I didn't mention that I am expecting justice from the aforementioned countries (for that my argument wouldn't have been true), but as I said in post 82, I believe that Allah will judge them, not any man. So this act being legal or not in any country does not matter as if Allah is going to judge them, it's going to be His laws.

Good day.

Isn't a 'universal truth' somewhat paradoxical ?

For some talking about the complexion of a Black man as Black and making a joke out of it maybe perfectly fine; while for others it maybe utterly bigoted !

Its the society that decides where the 'red-lines' are; don't they ?

At any rate its between the French and their Muslim citizens; its for them to decide.

I only become interested when this sermon of 'Freedom of Expression' is taught to us with the added implicit footnote 'the exceptions we make to this Freedom to account for our sensitivities are kosher whereas the ones you make to account for yours are just because you're an intolerant caveman from some far off Muslim country who can't understand what the word Freedom means' !

No because there's some truth to it.

Are you telling me that you're like me ?

I can't grow a moustache either !

And my attempts at growing a beard; resemble more what a shrub in Sub-Saharan African would look like !

 

[Jango]

Yes, that is why it is also important to note that Islam and its interpretations of what is forbidden and permitted does not apply to the entire world, and Muslims should understand this fact and its implications.

Yes they should...I didn't say they shouldn't did I? And I am only answerable for myself.

Everyone from every religion should learn to accommodate other religions and communities in their country and respect their traditional, cultural and religious point of views and not have a confrontational attitude.

 

[VCheng]

Yes they should...I didn't say they shouldn't did I? And I am only answerable for myself.

Everyone from every religion should learn to accommodate other religions and communities in their country and respect their traditional, cultural and religious point of views and not have a confrontational attitude.

Even more important is how any potential disagreements are handled.

 

[MarkusS]

Well they actually you did your country Germany or itlay whatever it is though pff
cowered to us. Call it anything but for you i will say they bow down they knew the price they would pay.

Good they realized it earlier, the sooner the better

what? your nonsense makes no sense. I think you did not understand the article. We have a blasphemy paragraph since the 50th and now they want remove it so you can make full fun about any religion.

Yes they should...I didn't say they shouldn't did I? And I am only answerable for myself.

Everyone from every religion should learn to accommodate other religions and communities in their country and respect their traditional, cultural and religious point of views and not have a confrontational attitude.

when can we open a catholic cathedral in mecca then?

 

[Jango]

Even more important is how any potential disagreements are handled.

Can't disagree with that either.

Another little example.

You don't go around (or at least I don't) calling black people niggas and chocolate man and cola bottle or whatnot. Why? It isn't against the law or anything?

Because I have some sort of respect for that specific community and I don't want to hurt any of their feelings. I don't want to disrespect them. I don't want to belittle them.

Similarly, other communities should also respect that cartoons of Prophet PBUH shouldn't be made.

You want to make one of Grand Mufti? Zardari? Saudi King? Arab princes? Fine by me...

when can we open a catholic cathedral in mecca then?

When you will have Christians in Mecca.

 

[MarkusS]

Can't disagree with that either.

Another little example.

You don't go around (or at least I don't) calling black people niggas and chocolate man and cola bottle or whatnot. Why? It isn't against the law or anything?

Because I have some sort of respect for that specific community and I don't want to hurt any of their feelings. I don't want to disrespect them. I don't want to belittle them.

Similarly, other communities should also respect that cartoons of Prophet PBUH shouldn't be made.

You want to make one of Grand Mufti? Zardari? Saudi King? Arab princes? Fine by me...



When you will have Christians in Mecca.

there are enough catholic house keeping staff in saudi arabia from the philippines. So when do you open Mecca for christians? This tolerance is no one way street. You tell me what you want from us...fine. What can you give us in return?

 

[VCheng]

other communities should also respect that cartoons of Prophet PBUH shouldn't be made.

So what should the response be if they do not accord this respect to Muslim's beliefs? That is the important thing on how to resolve such an issue, right?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Hence my point, selective application of 'freedom of expression'.

I am sure shouting out to Obama or Cameron or Hollande "Fck your mom' or something along the lines wouldn't be met pretty cordially. Neither will saying 'Hey nigger' to Obama.

Not sure about Cameron/Hollande but you can yell that at Obama without legal penalty. In fact I bet people are paid to yell stuff like that at him.

 

[salarsikander]

what? your nonsense makes no sense. I think you did not understand the article. We have a blasphemy paragraph since the 50th and now they want remove it so you can make full fun about any religion.



when can we open a catholic cathedral in mecca then?

Never forget it

there are enough catholic house keeping staff in saudi arabia from the philippines. So when do you open Mecca for christians? This tolerance is no one way street. You tell me what you want from us...fine. What can you give us in return?

Nothing Thats Saudis law not Islamic law, lot of other islamic countries have Churches and Temples

All consequence is selective and will be made on a situatutional basis no matter where one is in the world! As @Armstrong pointed out, the redlines are shifted by whoever is deciding the consequences, but everyone is subject too them. Even jihadist can speak their minds, we have plenty of hateful people in the US speaking their minds such as racist pastors, but considering jihadists often violate US laws they are subjected to our consequences. All nations will selectively apply their own consequences. China censors information it doesn't like at a lower threshold then the US does. We all have our limits, each are different, everyone applies consequences selectively. This isn't just a function of the "west"

And why should free speech be without consequence? Should we absolve people of responsibility for their action? What about free expression? What if murdering people is how I choose to express myself? Can I use the freedom of expression defense to lessen my culpability. Limits exist for a reason. The prevent society from getting out of control

An no @Armstrong I'm not going to insult you, but I can as free speech allows me to.

So Freedom of speech means you can insult anyone ??? is that what it is sir?