Facebook apologises, says removal of Hamza Ali Abbasi status was mistake

[Hamartia Antidote]

Hi,
You saying is prettier or other one not is not insulting plus you would avoid saying to someone who is hyper woont you ?

I'm just saying it would not be ethical or moral to answer it but if you did it isn't a crime. That's what freedom of speech says...you cant go to jail for being a jerk by answering.

 

[salarsikander]

I'm just saying it would not be ethical or moral to answer it but if you did it isn't a crime. That's what freedom of speech says...you cant go to jail for being a jerk by answering.

Hi,

Freedom of Expression is freedom of exressing onself in a civlized way right? now, when you intentionally target someone for the insult it will always yield the hatred. As if the Jihadist and terrorism wasnt enough ( partly caused by invasion thats another topic) to fuel the fire, we have this publications coming up in the name of freedom expression.

Since most of you are well aware that every muslim given a chance will give his life in order to protect the prophets name ( good or bad thats debatable). So why inslut it in first place when everyone knows how sensitive it is to Muslims sentiments.

There are Censor board specifically to remove contents which are objective or insulting otherwise the whole concept of censorship will go to garbage

 

[SvenSvensonov]

So Freedom of speech means you can insult anyone ??? is that what it is sir?

Yes, legally I am protected in my right to insult another person, whether it is ethical is a matter of personal ethics and those are as subjective as the consequences meted out for excising your free speech, but legally I can insult anyone I choose too. No one can stop me from doing so, but I am not free from the consequences of my actions. Now, there are exceptions to free speech as I have noted. Statutes against harassment will negate freedom of speech. So too will threats being made or special circumstances such as yelling "hijack" on an airplane. Also, in the military questioning a superior is not tolerated and will be considered insubordination (I'm not going to debate the merits of this with anyone so don't even ask!!!!!!). There are limits to free speech (such as copyrights and trademarks. I can't legally use someone else's trademark).

Whether or not I should exercise this right is up to my own interpretation, as is your response to my words, but I am legally protected.

Also, while the speaker should exercise restraint to not harm another, even if it is a protected right and they have every capacity to insult you, the recipient of said insult should being equally thoughtful of their response. Ignore an insult or if it becomes harassing or threatening seek help from the police or appropriate authorities. Murder is the wrong approach to being insulted.

to recap:

Yes, free speech does mean I can insult anyone I want. Whether or not I should is up to me, and I will face consequences if I violate any laws or statutes. But it is a protected right.

If you need more clarification please see:

United States free speech exceptions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First Amendment | Wex Legal Dictionary / Encyclopedia | LII / Legal Information Institute

Freedom of speech in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

@Peter C - as our resident USA expert do you have the relevant law on-hand? And yes, the First Amendment does provide blanket protections, but I'm interesting in unprotected speech laws and exceptions.

 

[salarsikander]

Hi,

Its always a pleasure learning from you, quite informative i must say. So far this is the perfect answer i have received.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

@Peter C - as our resident USA expert do you have the relevant law on-hand? And yes, the First Amendment does provide blanket protections, but I'm interesting in unprotected speech laws and exceptions.

I don't know the exact laws but it really isn't even saying the word "fire" in a crowded theater that is illegal. It's more like some sort "criminal mischief" thing. If you saw a train coming on a crowded platform and then flung a stack of $100's on the track and people jumped and got hit by the train you are just as liable as the person yelling "fire". You never said a thing but you had intent.

 

[VCheng]

I don't know the exact laws but it really isn't even saying the word "fire" in a crowded theater that is illegal. It's more like some sort "criminal mischief" thing. If you saw a train coming on a crowded platform and then flung a stack of $100's on the track and people jumped and got hit by the train you are just as liable as the person yelling "fire". You never said a thing but you had intent.

I think all need to be reminded that American liberties as enshrined in US Law apply to citizens and residents ONLY in areas under US jurisdiction, not the whole wide world. While others may aspire to them, legal validity may not necessarily apply.

 

[psynic]

Isn't the N-word taboo in the American context, and is likely to automatically filtered?

 

[Jit]

'Japanese' didn't feel anything about it since the entire 2nd Sino-Japanese War was a product of the adventurism of the Kwangtung Army. The Japanese people, unfortunately, were forced into that war due to -- poor policy making and lack of strategic depth on the Government and the Military's part.

which is usually how wars start.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Isn't the N-word disallowed in the American context, and is likely to automatically filtered?

Not illegal. If a private site wants to censor it they can. Plenty of TV shows and movies have people saying it.

 

[psynic]

Not illegal. If a private site wants to censor it they can. Plenty of TV shows and movies have people saying it.

Thanks, against the policies of the company is what I meant.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Difference between a verbal/pictorial insult and a threat to physical violence.Cartoons are former.This fool is latter.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Thanks, against the policies of the company is what I meant.

Ok, there are definitely some rules companies are required to follow In terms of their employees that would contradict free speech laws.

In fact I'd say free speech laws don't apply at all with employer and employee stuff. It is sort of the complete opposite. You basically are completely restricted as to what you can say to them. Every word they say is a potential lawsuit.

 

[VelocuR]

 

[Zarvan]

Facebook removes Hamza Ali Abbasi's post on 'freedom of expression'
By Web Desk
Published: January 11, 2015

“Yes, even my blood boils when someone insults my Prophet (pbuh) …. But that does not give individuals the right to kill,” says Hamza Ali Abbasi. PHOTO: HAMZA ALI ABBASI FACEBOOK PAGE

Just days after Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg said that he would not cow down to extremists and curb speech on the site, the social media network on Sunday apparently blocked a post by actor Hamza Ali Abbasi regarding Charlie Hebdo and limits of free speech.

On Sunday evening, Abbasi posted on his verified Facebook page, with 1.6 million fans, that the social media website had removed his post and warned him after deactivating his profile.

According to a screenshot of the removed post that Abbasi uploaded, Facebook said they had removed it since it violated its community standards. It was not clear under which aspects of the community standards was the post removed.

Abbasi, a former civil service trainee, tried to explain in the post under which circumstances executions are permitted in Islamic law and who can carry them out. He goes on to explain that despite the nature of some of the cartoons printed by publications such as Charlie Hebdo, which have caused riots in Pakistan before, it did not give anyone the right to commit murder.

“Yes, even my blood boils when someone insults my Prophet (pbuh) …. But that does not give individuals the right to kill.”

He went on to argue that while freedom of speech should “include criticism, disagreement or even rejection of faiths or ideology… but should not and must not allow “insult”.”

Abbasi urged the West to revisit and fix its definition of ‘freedom of speech,’ adding that failure to do so would result in someone from the vast comity of Muslims may go “ballistic and kill unjustly.”

The actor is quite vocal on social media and regularly shares his opinions on issues with his fans.

There is no absolute freedom of expression any where in the world and if west thinks they will make fun and abuse a person who 1.6 billion people on face of the earth love more than their own life and they will get away with it than its time they wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[rubyjackass]

really? this bozo says unless you west do something, one of his 2b muslims will go ballistic and kill - sounds exactly like what a jihadi nut such as osama zawahiri say. And you guys don't thing he did anything wrong?

THAT shows what is really wrong. Are threats now mainstream accepted amongst you?

He also says institutions are allowed to kill for reasons not hate and revenge. So if ISIS and Al Qaeda are bent on converting the world into Islam or simply waging a holy war, it is a responsible violence apparently.