FA-50 and JF-17 are the finalists for Malaysian Air Force's Deal: Korea Times

[Reichmarshal]

Not even enough f 18 to make even half a sqd.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Not even enough f 18 to make even half a sqd.

Yet with excellent safety record in all the years of operations, not a single mishap.

 

[FuturePAF]

Pakistan should showcase all these capabilities in a “Mission X” similar to what the X-35 did when competing against the X-32 in the “Battle of the X-Planes”. Carry out a mock dogfight (after a rules of engagement based intercept and “interrogation” using an IRST Pod to show off its WVR and BVR capabilities) with PAF F-16s (in a scenario where the JF-17 is defending its home base’s port city from the F-16 carrying PGMs) to get to a point where it can bypass/defeat them (kinetically and with electronic jamming) and deliver PGM on an enemy ground force; Sam battery, munitions dump or command post.

Then land on a road base (preferably at night) and take off towards the sea after a quick turn around (goal should to get the JF-17 to show it can generate a high sortie rate of at least 3-4 sorties per day if not 5; because the JF-17 is a warbird and not a ramp queen). defeating a ships air defense to deliver an Anti-Ship Cruise missile strike, while on its way back to base it flys (30-40 km) along a border and uses its long range targeting pod and AESA radar to monitors a suspicious convoy., feeding that information back to a base command post in real time, and getting the permission to knock out a key bridge to prevent enemy/terrorist movement over the bridge. If the JF-17 can demonstrate it can carry a relatively large number of small diameter precision weapons for taking out a large number of “pop-up” targets it would also help its case. 4 pylons with 3-4 CM-506KG SDB style glide bombs or CS/BBM2s each would help make the case for a great CAS as well as electronic attack platform.

some sections of this should be done at night to show its a true day and night fighter/CAS platform, especially in the long range PGM strikes and monitoring of enemy air and ground movements. Data linking to other assets like UAVs and controlling from Within the plane would be a plus. An advanced and secure datalink is also a very marketable asset. Allowing tactics to minimize risk to the JF-17 and carry out a multi-axis attack. Drones to be used as standoff jammers or ISR assets. Also, the JF-17 should try to demonstrate ways it can use its AESA radar or EW systems in electronic attack (or cyber attack via it’s datalink or some such method) on enemy forces, so in a scenario it can’t be seen as carrying out a kinetic attack it can still cause an effects based attack from stand-off range.

Besides the plane it should feature competitive weapons and associated training equipment. Similar to the American LRASM, a Chinese equivalent or the Turkish SOM missile should be offered because the Koreans have a 500 km cruise missile on offer (a future NATO system that is/was planned for the F-35 and possibly also comes in a jammer variant? Similar to Mald-J).

Pakistan should also share its road map for the future development of the JF-17, especially how the transition from the RD-93 to the RD-93MA will offer improvements in flight performance when it becomes available in the not to distant future. It should also show how it foresees engine development beyond that, from both the Russian and Chinese manufacturers, especially if it shares the same engine as a future Chinese stealth fighter that will see growth for the next 30-40 years.

Training equipment, even if from a foreign supplier, should be shown if customized by Pakistan in the training of JF-17 pilots. Something similar to the “Griffin-2 Visual display system” dome shaped simulator by Collins Aerospace.
Something like what Gripen showed in its marketing video “Gripen NG. a New Generation is ready. Are you?”

Forgot to add, the JF-17 should also do a demonstration of its long endurance with inflight refueling; in a long range strike configuration. Malaysia is larger then in seems, and if they can base tankers through out the country, then a few JF-17 in dispersed locations can be brought to bear at a single point through the use of air to air refuelers.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Sir please enlighten me

Your assertion on Gripen NG, Gripen NG is way way ahead from JFT B-3 in terms of technological advancement

 

[GriffinsRule]

Forgot to add, the JF-17 should also do a demonstration of its long endurance with inflight refueling; in a long range strike configuration. Malaysia is larger then in seems, and if they can base tankers through out the country, then a few JF-17 in dispersed locations can be brought to bear at a single point through the use of air to air refuelers.

Flight time is limited due to a lack of OBOG system and reliance on bottled oxygen for the pilot

 

[Beefeatergin]

Tejas sucks

 

[Metal 0-1]

Your assertion on Gripen NG, Gripen NG is way way ahead from JFT B-3 in terms of technological advancement

That's a different story. Thing is Gripen is crazy expensive for its capabilities. F-35 fly away cost is 85 million. Go figure.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

Agree F/A-50 being the better LIFT aircraft but RMAF is going to acquire a total of 36 aircraft of this catogary and the number is too much for LIFT role.

RMAF probably wants to replace its MiG-29N fighters
Iraq and Indonesia also operate T-50 not FA-50 (Philippines ) .
T-50 variants operate AN/APG-67 (US origin ) pulse doppler radar instead of EL/M2032 So that's the radar argument.

EDIT: KOREA and PHILIPPINES operate FA-50

 

[Reichmarshal]

Flight time is limited due to a lack of OBOG system and reliance on bottled oxygen for the pilot

that has been rectified

 

[GriffinsRule]

that has been rectified

How so?

 

[MirageBlue]

that has been rectified

Nope. No OBOGS on the JF-17 Block 3 either.

 

[PakAlp]

If Malaysian are clever, they should definitely go for 50 Jf17 block 3s, use f18 and su30 for strike role. Then request Usa for F35 and in the future China for J35.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

That's a different story. Thing is Gripen is crazy expensive for its capabilities. F-35 fly away cost is 85 million. Go figure.

Go to your that specific post you're assuming that EU countries exaggerating Gripen capability which wrong Gripen is least expensive among canard Deltas of EU, Gripen NG more complex ànd advance than block-3 project infact block-3 is no where near that's the capabilities of GRIPEN NG capability more advance means more expensive in cost so?

And last whole JFT project following project traits of Gripen project rather than Gripen project following a project traits of JFT project lol

 

[Metal 0-1]

Go to your that specific post you're assuming that EU countries exaggerating Gripen capability which wrong Gripen is least expensive among canard Deltas of EU, Gripen NG more complex ànd advance than block-3 project infact block-3 is no where near that's the capabilities of GRIPEN NG capability more advance means more expensive in cost so?

And last whole JFT project following project traits of Gripen project rather than Gripen project following a project traits of JFT project lol

I never talked about specific model. NG and E versions are indeed way ahead of Jeff Blk 3. But it's price is the only thing that doesn't make sense. Look the list of countries who backed away from Gripen deal.

If Malaysia goes for Gripen over anything on the table that will be great choice. Again if according to reports Gripen was dropped than only logical reason is price.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

I never talked about specific model. NG and E versions are indeed way ahead of Jeff Blk 3. But it's price is the only thing that doesn't make sense. Look the list of countries who backed away from Gripen deal.

If Malaysia goes for Gripen over anything on the table that will be great choice. Again if according to reports Gripen was dropped than only logical reason is price.

it just 5 million more than the Price, may be because of too many technologies from different sources i.e from EU/USA, and Malaysian govt has no empty pocket like Pak govt, it might be possible they concern about logistic and maintenance issues about Gripen E project as well as some of the equipment of Gripen E is not cleared for Malaysia, i assume