F-60 / J-31 stealth fighter aircraft for Pakistan Air Force?

[Gentelman]

well name of this thread is sick...
J-31 is under development..
and it wasnot offered nor under consideration by PAF and here name is J-31 of PAF...

 

[graphican]

Just like we had Block 52s available to us and given we continue with our good track of keeping US tech isolated, there is every likelyhood that we may, one day, be offered F-35.

Pakistan could only get what it has already got, Block-52 at best. Remember F-16 despite of its potential and usefulness to us, it is 2 steps down in the latest technology USA uses. Going for something which USA is using itself is unrealistic. Look at this side that Block-60 weren't on the offer for us.

At the moment world is re-aligning and power-centers are shifting from USA to Europe and China. USA in South Asia needs allies and enemies. Having chosen China as a foe and all other countries who are close allies of China, US is only going to see its future through this perspective. Pakistan could only have received F-35 if it was a very close ally with USA and at the same time a declared opponent of China and Iran. But at the same time, India must not have been aligned with USA and must had neutral relationship with China but not a foe of it. Only and only then Pakistan could have gained the value which Taiwan enjoys.

Now IFs doesn't end here. USA and Pakistan at the same time must had enjoyed strong and dependable relationships and our whole fantasy ends here. Trusting and dependability on USA? Haha Funny! Forget USA and F-35 my friend.. we weren't able to get Javelin because India was one of bigger potential buys and we are cooking Khayali Pulao for possible F-35? Unrealistic - pretty darn unrealistic!

 

[trident2010]

Any new information about the J-31?

 

[gangsta_rap]

Any new information about the J-31?

Probably won't see anything until they make an indigenous engine for it and start mass producing the jet.

 

[zxmint]

Compare to J-20, the technology of J21(its official name is J21 in China) or F-60 is more mature and it seems like PLAN is considering to purchase it and deploy it on the Liaoning CV in the future.

 

[jupiter2007]

Pakistan is already involve in various projects with defense companies from different countries, for example, South Africa, France (Mirage III/V and Agosta), Russia and Ukraine for Mi-17 and Tank (T-80) support, China for Tank (Al-Khalid, Al-Zarrar), Frigates, Missile Corvette, missile boat, Submarine, artillery, MLRS, Jf-17 and FC-20, Saab for AWACS system, Brazil MLRS, Itlay for Radar and UAV, Malaysia for Joint UAV project. There were some projects in pipeline with Turkey but due to finding they were put on hold in 2012.

I forgot to mention about Transport planes option for PAF/PA. Pakistan may consider acquiring surplus C-130 from Australia. Future option is to acquire C-235/295 (Spain/Indonesia) or Y-9 from China.
For 4/5 generation fighter, Pakistan can join Chinese J-31 or join Turkey for it's fighter project.
There was talk about Turkey, Indonesia and South Korea are joining to build a fighter. Pakistan can also join them, four nations together can start a 4/5 generation fighter.

Future attack helicopter project is going to be with Turkey, not China. Pakistan needs western technology and Chinese tech is still 5-10 years behind western tech.


Pakistan may also go for 3 Turkish design TF-2000 AAW FFG in 2016, enter service date will be 2019-2020.

 

[Nishan_101]

I forgot to mention about Transport planes option for PAF/PA. Pakistan may consider acquiring surplus C-130 from Australia. Future option is to acquire C-235/295 (Spain/Indonesia) or Y-9 from China.
For 4/5 generation fighter, Pakistan can join Chinese J-31 or join Turkey for it's fighter project.
There was talk about Turkey, Indonesia and South Korea are joining to build a fighter. Pakistan can also join them, four nations together can start a 4/5 generation fighter.

Future attack helicopter project is going to be with Turkey, not China. Pakistan needs western technology and Chinese tech is still 5-10 years behind western tech.


Pakistan may also go for 3 Turkish design TF-2000 AAW FFG in 2016, enter service date will be 2019-2020.

I think PN is committed with the 4-6 new F-22P block-IIs that have the latest tech from China and may be it will be constructed KE&SWs very soon along with tankers from Turksih firm.

 

[force1]

why dont pakistan start building their own fighter jet,, why they are relay on us or chaina,,,,

 

[Black Widow]

why dont pakistan start building their own fighter jet,, why they are relay on us or chaina,,,,

Low volume production is not profitable... What is the use to invest billions for few planes...

 

[force1]

Low volume production is not profitable... What is the use to invest billions for few planes...

is pak capable to build their own indigenous fighter jet??

 

[Black Widow]

is pak capable to build their own indigenous fighter jet??

Capabilities can be developed, big Question is Does Pakistan required something like that??? Pakistan don't have any enemy to handle with, so they don't need.

Pakistan don't need even army..

 

[SBD-3]

Pakistan could only get what it has already got, Block-52 at best. Remember F-16 despite of its potential and usefulness to us, it is 2 steps down in the latest technology USA uses. Going for something which USA is using itself is unrealistic. Look at this side that Block-60 weren't on the offer for us.

There would be couple of things to consider here
1- Did PAF request Block-60 Version from pentagon?
2- Was block 60 at a similar price tag as that of Block-52?
3- Was block 52 not enough to meet the requirements of PAF?
There are a lot of ifs in this matter. We just cant simply assume that block 60s were not offered to PAF so would not be JSF.

At the moment world is re-aligning and power-centers are shifting from USA to Europe and China. USA in South Asia needs allies and enemies. Having chosen China as a foe and all other countries who are close allies of China, US is only going to see its future through this perspective. Pakistan could only have received F-35 if it was a very close ally with USA and at the same time a declared opponent of China and Iran. But at the same time, India must not have been aligned with USA and must had neutral relationship with China but not a foe of it. Only and only then Pakistan could have gained the value which Taiwan enjoys.

Europe is still a political joke. How would their defence industry be able to prosper when the defense budgets across Europe are shrinking. I can still remember that every third or forth edition of JDW includes a piece on a defence project being dropped in Europe. The China's advantage is that Chinese had to undertake a massive upgradation of their defence capabilities. This actually kept their defence industry not only alive but also helped drive for innovative solutions. Regarding the point that one has to be an enemy of China. For example, look at Israel. They have maintained close defence cooperation with China yet they are among the first users of JSF. And even other countries including European ones are not hardcore enemies of China -except Japan-. So its all about how the diplomatic relationships give way to increased bi-lateral trust.

Now IFs doesn't end here. USA and Pakistan at the same time must had enjoyed strong and dependable relationships and our whole fantasy ends here. Trusting and dependability on USA? Haha Funny! Forget USA and F-35 my friend.. we weren't able to get Javelin because India was one of bigger potential buys and we are cooking Khayali Pulao for possible F-35? Unrealistic - pretty darn unrealistic!

US is not strictly like France my friend. Its the buyers who request them for their products, not the other way around. Even look at MMRCA, US companies never went to the extent Dissault/EDAS/MigDB went -often bribing their way to success-. I remember the comments of US representative saying that their (USs') products were proven and signify quality and that's that. They can sell their products to both opponents without much resistance because their products give quality and edge both at one time to their opponents. If they didn't want to sell Javelins to Pakistan it was because they didn't want to sell them to Pakistan, not because they wanted to sell them to India. They sold their hardware to UAE,KSA,Egypt and Israel at the same time. Its not a big deal for them.

 

[neehar]

if we can make a JF-17 land on water then there will be no need for aircraft carrier....we can have one large destroyer carrying racks at its back with JF-17 tied to it and floating along with it.....taking off from water and landing on water is very much possible ...imo slight experimentation is needed.

if ur talking abt jets driven by propellers its possible.but ther're of no use in a combat..a jet engine can not with stand water entering in to the turbine especially salt water which is highly corrosive.besides developed countries like u.s are not fools to use carriers instead of doing the things u've mentioned

 

[SBD-3]

Capabilities can be developed, big Question is Does Pakistan required something like that??? Pakistan don't have any enemy to handle with, so they don't need.

Pakistan don't need even army..

Why are you guys so naive? Europe shares a common region and common economy. Even with no wars since WWII, they continue to maintain their defence forces.....

 

[SBD-3]

if we can make a JF-17 land on water then there will be no need for aircraft carrier....we can have one large destroyer carrying racks at its back with JF-17 tied to it and floating along with it.....taking off from water and landing on water is very much possible ...imo slight experimentation is needed.

Wah wah.........why didn't the Russians,French,Americans,Brits,China and all other carrier developing nations thought of that....