F-60 / J-31 stealth fighter aircraft for Pakistan Air Force?

[Safriz]

Well China is the only real option in the East, Russia has not been to willing to sell to Pakistan.

Iran could also be another possible supplier.

Exactly..
Any future weapons should be from china or elsewhere...

 

[jupiter2007]

A frienship, which is beyond skies & deeper thn sea!

Yes, it's true but we can't put all the eggs in the same basket. Pakistan needs to invest in Defense projects with other Muslim/non-Muslim countries, for example: Turkey, Iran, GCC, Egypt, Malaysia, Ukraine, CAR states, Thailand, Brazil, South Africa, Korea, European countries, Japan, etc.

 

[Storm Force]

Juipter re

Yes, it's true but we can't put all the eggs in the same basket. Pakistan needs to invest in Defense projects with other Muslim/non-Muslim countries, for example: Turkey, Iran, GCC, Egypt, Malaysia, Ukraine, CAR states, Thailand, Brazil, South Africa, Korea, European countries, Japan, etc.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...th-fighter-aircraft-paf-11.html#ixzz2JaSF087Q

I HOPE YOU REALISE HOWE MUCH IS REQUIRED TO INVEST IN JOINT PROJECTS.

You have just stated a DOZEN different states to share defense projects.

JUST HOW MANY $BILLIONS do pakistan have.

NOBODY is going ti share technology TIME & EFFORT with you without $$$$$$$$$$

MONEY IS WAT COUNTS

 

[muse]

Juipter re


You have just stated a DOZEN different states to share defense projects.
JUST HOW MANY $BILLIONS do pakistan have.
NOBODY is going ti share technology TIME & EFFORT with you without $$$$$$$$$$
MONEY IS WAT COUNTS

And really it's not like any of these are lining up to do JV --- Pakistan should concentrate on long term projects, before anything else to train engineers in specialties and sub specialties and to create facilities for these engineers.

But of course this is wishful thinking - geniuses will come up with more F16

 

[sancho]

The F16 in all probability is the last fighter that PAF will get from the west. We have to look eastwards for our needs for a 5th generation fighter. .In the next five yrs most of the platofrms that we see in their infancy will mature and we will have a much better idea odf how things have fared in China. We will be going for a chinese platform which will be lo visibility / stealth.
Araz

When you say west, does that include Turkey as well? Imo, sooner or later Pakistan must increase it's relations to Turkey to a level, that allows JVs or co-developments, since they might be one of the few countries that would allow such things, but most importantly to get an alternative to China as well!
China of course offers Pakistan way more than the US ever had, but replacing dependance on one country, by beeing dependent on another won't help you either. Diversifying is the key, splitting the dependence on different foreign reliable partners on the one side, improving own capabilities on the other.

 

[muse]

Some of our forum members do not even allow the possibility that Pakistan must do all that t can to create a situation that that they do not need to go West for armaments - it's always go to the West for these people - I'm not suggesting that we close any doors, but not taking the opportunities offered to be make our own, is in my opinion, criminal, it's treachery.

But wait a minute muse, how come, you are so anti-West ? -- Not anti-West at all, quite the contrary - however, should Pakistan be an independent country? If yes, then we must begin now to be able to design and manufacture our own, right -- see, no where in the near or middle term future, between 5 to 20 years, will the West (read US) get the Islam venom out of it's system and within that time frame US policy will continue to be seek to deny any competitors to it's claims of global hegemony (read more wars, wars that will by definition be upon Muslim majority countries) which will continue to create domestic and international political problems.

Turkiye are very comfortable wit the West, Are Pakistan? not really - Will they be any time soon? not really -- so lets plan accordingly

 

[hurt]

Brothers!

J-31 maybe become FC-2!
Now is your chance for participation in this project.

 

[muse]

Brothers!

J-31 maybe become FC-2!
Now is your chance for participation in this project.

How? How can Pakistani engineers and industry (even if uniformed) participate in this development?

 

[hurt]

How? How can Pakistani engineers and industry (even if uniformed) participate in this development?

Same as FC-1.The difference is that FC-2 closer to complete

 

[muse]

This thread now has 4 pages - but we have very little information about this platform and it's capabilities, the avionics involved and the materials as well - now to my thinking aircraft such as J60/31 and J20 are X planes, they are not meant to be production aircraft but test beds of sorts, I say this in the context that Pakistan Air Force may want to consider if a an Air Dominance/superiority platform is needed for the PAF or not and if yes, what kinds of capabilities this ought to mean and how this requirement can be met.

 

[araz]

When you say west, does that include Turkey as well? Imo, sooner or later Pakistan must increase it's relations to Turkey to a level, that allows JVs or co-developments, since they might be one of the few countries that would allow such things, but most importantly to get an alternative to China as well!
China of course offers Pakistan way more than the US ever had, but replacing dependance on one country, by beeing dependent on another won't help you either. Diversifying is the key, splitting the dependence on different foreign reliable partners on the one side, improving own capabilities on the other.

All turkish aerial assets are of US origin. Till such time that they have indegenousaerial platform JVs would be pointless. there maybe cooperation on individual items or missiles but unlikely on aerial assetts.
However if Turkey approaches chinese for a venture and invites PAF to join in and we have the resources we may do so.
Araz

 

[jupiter2007]

Juipter re

I HOPE YOU REALISE HOWE MUCH IS REQUIRED TO INVEST IN JOINT PROJECTS.

You have just stated a DOZEN different states to share defense projects.

JUST HOW MANY $BILLIONS do pakistan have.

NOBODY is going ti share technology TIME & EFFORT with you without $$$$$$$$$$

MONEY IS WAT COUNTS

Pakistan is already involve in various projects with defense companies from different countries, for example, South Africa, France (Mirage III/V and Agosta), Russia and Ukraine for Mi-17 and Tank (T-80) support, China for Tank (Al-Khalid, Al-Zarrar), Frigates, Missile Corvette, missile boat, Submarine, artillery, MLRS, Jf-17 and FC-20, Saab for AWACS system, Brazil MLRS, Itlay for Radar and UAV, Malaysia for Joint UAV project. There were some projects in pipeline with Turkey but due to finding they were put on hold in 2012.

 

[ahussains]

I am sure that Pakistan will get twin engine fighter from China or may be invole in the devlopment of any other twin engine aircraft along with china

 

[IceCold]

Isn't the thread title misleading since there is no F-60/J-31 of the PAF! Why are threads being opened which are not even based on speculation but mere fantasy and Photoshopped images.

 

[chinapakistan]

When you say west, does that include Turkey as well? Imo, sooner or later Pakistan must increase it's relations to Turkey to a level, that allows JVs or co-developments, since they might be one of the few countries that would allow such things, but most importantly to get an alternative to China as well!
China of course offers Pakistan way more than the US ever had, but replacing dependance on one country, by beeing dependent on another won't help you either. Diversifying is the key, splitting the dependence on different foreign reliable partners on the one side, improving own capabilities on the other.

What the hell logic, indian bought and is buying much more from Russia, does that mean it replated dependance of your country? If what you said were true, your whole country had been sold to Russia many times.