F-60 / J-31 stealth fighter aircraft for Pakistan Air Force?

[TAC]

It's the need and the cababilty of the opponent that matter not what u have or planning to have within five years from now India will possess the fifth gen fighter from Russia and the local one in that time you'll be starving to get a fifth gen fighter to stand against the Indian total superiority.

You need to go check your timelines - latest news is that Indian fifth gen will suffer heavy delay due to Indias insistance on having its own input. They will be lucky if they get 1 or 2 not fully capable aircraft by end of 2017 - hardly 'total superiority' is it?

 

[kafumanpk]

It's just a mere imitation of F22 and F35 shape, and I do not think this is a stealth aircraft, it is only a Third-generation aircraft, the Chinese version of the F18. Pakistan is an important ally of the United States, your country can get the most advanced F35 from the United States.

 

[TheRafael00000]

It's just a mere imitation of F22 and F35 shape, and I do not think this is a stealth aircraft, it is only a Third-generation aircraft, the Chinese version of the F18. Pakistan is an important ally of the United States, your country can get the most advanced F35 from the United States.

Pakistan should not break ties with US. Even though US is now in debt,yet it got stealth air crafts. Pakistan must keep the bond strong to get the f-35. If Pakistan want to eliminate Taliban, US may provide monetary helps for Pakistan. So Pakistan is getting free money for solving own problems. So don't lose this opportunity.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

nice dreams

 

[SBD-3]

It's just a mere imitation of F22 and F35 shape, and I do not think this is a stealth aircraft, it is only a Third-generation aircraft, the Chinese version of the F18.

Your speculations are significantly overblown here. SAC has been producing 3rd Gen (4th Gen standard by the rest of the world) for around a decade now. And given the appearences of J-15, J-15S, J-11B and J-11BS before should be more than sufficient to prove that SAC has moved on from just 3rd Gen standard. Of course, we can not make an earnest assessment about J-31 since all we know is, its structure. However, by structure it is not a simple 3rd gen aircraft and do possess fairly stealthy airframe. As more and more information is revealed, then someone would be able to make a more realistic assessment.

Pakistan is an important ally of the United States, your country can get the most advanced F35 from the United States.

Something that i also suspect. Given the strategic shift in Pakistan's afghan policy which is now more accumulative towards all other groups as well, the PAK-US relationships are expected to improve in future. Just like we had Block 52s available to us and given we continue with our good track of keeping US tech isolated, there is every likelyhood that we may, one day, be offered F-35. However, to consider Pakistan amongst the early recipients of F-35 would also be an unrealistic assumption. Moreover, It would also be interesting to see the reaction of PAF to such an offer given the availability of alternative options from China.

 

[mylovepakistan]

Something that i also suspect. Given the strategic shift in Pakistan's afghan policy which is now more accumulative towards all other groups as well, the PAK-US relationships are expected to improve in future. Just like we had Block 52s available to us and given we continue with our good track of keeping US tech isolated, there is every likelyhood that we may, one day, be offered F-35. However, to consider Pakistan amongst the early recipients of F-35 would also be an unrealistic assumption. Moreover, It would also be interesting to see the reaction of PAF to such an offer given the availability of alternative options from China.

depends on the elections coming next year...
just in the case if imran khan is elected as PM then he is going no more with this war on terror and also he is not going to allow drones anymore......so this may affect US-PAK strategic relationships...

 

[abdulbarijan]

depends on the elections coming next year...
just in the case if imran khan is elected as PM then he is going no more with this war on terror and also he is not going to allow drones anymore......so this may affect US-PAK strategic relationships...

Dude ... most of the time leadership is not selected .... it is staged as being selected by "free will of the people" through "elections" and ends up with the wrong people in power....
Just look at Ron Paul who was amongst most popular in the USA and got screwed out, there is no doubt that PMLN,MQM and PPP will pursue to even combine to not let Imran in to power as he defies the USA policies of drones etc ...
Dont forget in our country even the ones who won the election were NOT given power ... (the election's in Yahya's era), it can only happen if the entire public along with people like imran khan etc combine, people who openly oppose drone attacks and have the balls to say on national television that they will go anti-USA if thats what it takes to get the country out of crisis ....

And the military is used as a pawn by these staged governments that use them to kill their own ... and not even react to threats to national security in the name of collateral damage and the great war on terror which causes deaths on both sides ....
Who is dying ?
A army man who is used as a tool by the top hierarchy .... a simple villager whose seeking revenge on USA due to the "small" "minute" collateral damage which caused him his family ....

But this wont cross anyones mind .... cuz all we can see is Malala Yusuf Zai and others which the media portrays... the same media that sold its soul that is ....

IM SORRY TO GO OFF TOPIC BUT LIKE ANY OTHER PAKISTANI WHO STILL HAS A HEART THAT IS BEATING, IT'S SICKENING TO SEE OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS DIE IN THE NAME OF THIS STUPID WAR!!

 

[applesauce]

It's just a mere imitation of F22 and F35 shape, and I do not think this is a stealth aircraft, it is only a Third-generation aircraft, the Chinese version of the F18. Pakistan is an important ally of the United States, your country can get the most advanced F35 from the United States.

good thing what you "think" doesnt matter in the real world. and even if it was a mix of f-22/35 how would it not be stealth? are you saying f-22/35 isnt 5 gen?

pakistan is a current "ally" of the US if the f-35 is offer they certainly have that choice but that is a choice they'll have to make(well them and their wallets)

 

[Manticore]

"I can only hope that when the time comes, Finland will list more to the Canadian Department of National Defence than on the Norwegian" fighter project "...
The Canadians have Decided to calculate the potential usage of their F-35: s 2:42 years, but 12 of those years are labeled "development and delivery time" Thus without any routine flights.
I will calculate this most benevolent and judge thatthis add six years of additional flight time for the fleet.
So 36 years of active duty.
They plan to fly those 65 F-35A: s 15 hour a month and that amounts to a total of 421,200 hours.

They have also estimated that the total cost of these 42 years will be 44.82 billion CAD.
If you consider that they actually will be used only for 36 years, that comes down to 106,363 CAD / hour or € 81,357 / hour or 702 350 SEK / hour. (Approx: 600.000 NOK / hour)
In any currency the amount is staggering ...

When it's time to retire the fleet in 2052, the planes have Utilized only some 70% of their expected life flight, but that these hourly costs in the
air, it is not hard to understand that F-35 pilots will mostly do their flying on the ground ...

Source: http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/reports...dex-eng.asp # 3i "

Source: http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/reports...dex-eng.asp # 3i "

 

[dexter]

What If...

 

[wakapdf]

No money, wait for new government then make plans. We are broke as hell right now

 

[naseem shah]

Pakistan should not break ties with US. Even though US is now in debt,yet it got stealth air crafts. Pakistan must keep the bond strong to get the f-35. If Pakistan want to eliminate Taliban, US may provide monetary helps for Pakistan. So Pakistan is getting free money for solving own problems. So don't lose this opportunity.

the problem is pakistan cant get them free of cost for that we have to pay money and it is too expensive for us to buy

 

[RazorMC]

We're not getting the F-35s even if we had teh money. There is strict control over who gets that tech and who doesn't.

And IMO it's better to stick with less advanced aircraft rather than risk buying from string-happy "allies"

 

[araz]

The F16 in all probability is the last fighter that PAF will get from the west. We have to look eastwards for our needs for a 5th generation fighter. .In the next five yrs most of the platofrms that we see in their infancy will mature and we will have a much better idea odf how things have fared in China. We will be going for a chinese platform which will be lo visibility / stealth.
Araz

 

[Wright]

Well China is the only real option in the East, Russia has not been to willing to sell to Pakistan.

Iran could also be another possible supplier.