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F-35’s can knock down whole PAF & IAF: Pervez Hoodboy

First half of your post is European narrative and rest is correct Europeans just never admit that they lost against Muslims. They never give credit to Muslims for anything. Absolute bollocks is what they write .
They were huge huge huge force . Attacking .Enemy on its own soil is not a joke .you need at least 5 times more army to initiate such attack .
And romands and Persians were well equipped and romans werea naturallywarriors . They were not easy to defeat. Europeans make it look like that they gave it to Muslims like a hot cake. Very easy. DONT LISTEN TO them.

There has always been a gap in various asoects between us and them. However , ALLAH has promised us thar we will be victorious if we are momin and even if t he ratio is 1 is to 10 between us and enemy

I agree that we need to make progress and look around. BUT we don't need doubt ourselves or get scared by something .
We have always compensated for that gap by our passion to fight and transit to the world which is eternal .
I hope you get my point
Western sources clearly acknowledge defeat of Byzantine Empire in its war with original Muslims, and they have provided a very rich account of the battle of Yarmouk in recent years. They have explained why Byzantine Empire was unable to defeat organized Muslim forces, and recognize talents of Khalid Bin Waleed in warfare.

These same Western sources have busted numerous myths, clarified numerous legends, and provided context to different developments throughout history. By not listening to them, our understanding of various themes will never be up to the task. I hope you get the gist.
 
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He just doesn’t want the Pakistani nation to take this ounce of pride. Just his mentality.

Quoting both India & Pakistan with a threat of F-35, is like he is here to influence something in regard to US Superiority post 27/2.
 
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His intellectual stature is greater than 1.4 billion Indians put together. So when he says something, people take him seriously. He doesn't make sensational claims just like that. There must have been a lot of research to back his claims.

Fifth generation aircraft — such as the F-35 stealth fighter — have tilted an already tilted playing field much further. In Atlantic war exercises these fighters have been repeatedly tested against the kind of third- and fourth-generation fighters like those currently in the Pakistani and Indian air fleets. While kill ratios are secret, they are sometimes leaked. Assuming the leaks are correct, in some hypothetical war just two squadrons of American F-35s could knock down the combined might of the PAF and IAF fleets fighting together for the loss of just one F-35 — or perhaps none.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1475818

What is he smoking these days ?

Hi,

Most of this material has been stolen from my posts on this website from years ago---.
 
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Western sources clearly acknowledge defeat of Byzantine Empire in its war with original Muslims, and they have provided a very rich account of the battle of Yarmouk in recent years. They have explained why Byzantine Empire was unable to defeat organized Muslim forces, and recognize talents of Khalid Bin Waleed in warfare.

These same Western sources have busted numerous myths, clarified numerous legends, and provided context to different developments throughout history. By not listening to them, our understanding of various themes will never be up to the task. I hope you get the gist.
Byzantine empire lost due to age in fight and destruction by crusades yes rest was not having super weapons cannons on those days beacuse they gone broke and can't offord them those days. I feel every empire has life rise and fall and then death like human evolution of life from birth to death.

Quoting both India & Pakistan with a threat of F-35, is like he is here to influence something in regard to US Superiority post 27/2.
Hoodby is asking us istaead of ur own 5th Gen jet buy US F35 jet like US slated Greece for F35 even with theior Economic crisis
 
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Lobbying in process , trying to have some wind in f-35s favour . Just sayin
 
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Byzantine empire lost due to age in fight and destruction by crusades yes rest was not having super weapons cannons on those days beacuse they gone broke and can't offord them those days. I feel every empire has life rise and fall and then death like human evolution of life from birth to death.


Hoodby is asking us istaead of ur own 5th Gen jet buy US F35 jet like US slated Greece for F35 even with theior Economic Wows

Hi,

Being defensive against a committed or a larger enemy---gets you destroyed every time---.
 
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Western sources clearly acknowledge defeat of Byzantine Empire in its war with original Muslims, and they have provided a very rich account of the battle of Yarmouk in recent years. They have explained why Byzantine Empire was unable to defeat organized Muslim forces, and recognize talents of Khalid Bin Waleed in warfare.

These same Western sources have busted numerous myths, clarified numerous legends, and provided context to different developments throughout history. By not listening to them, our understanding of various themes will never be up to the task. I hope you get the gist.
What is myth for them might be somethjng importsnt for us. They have skewed view of the world, till now .
For what I have heard and read , they make it sound like they gave it to Muslims.
Yermok was just one battle .there have been a few like those.
Greedy people( European historians) think the same about others
 
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Fifth generation aircraft — such as the F-35 stealth fighter — have tilted an already tilted playing field much further. In Atlantic war exercises these fighters have been repeatedly tested against the kind of third- and fourth-generation fighters like those currently in the Pakistani and Indian air fleets. While kill ratios are secret, they are sometimes leaked. Assuming the leaks are correct, in some hypothetical war just two squadrons of American F-35s could knock down the combined might of the PAF and IAF fleets fighting together for the loss of just one F-35 — or perhaps none.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1475818

What is he smoking these days ?
Hoodboy kay mu say kabhi achi baat nahi nikalti.
 
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But MK at last legs what they Had??? Few thousand men they could not have enough strength to fight outside.

HGi,

They had a determined enemy first of all---. They were proud of their defences and in the end---their defences failed them due to thee enemy's better weaponry---strategy & commitment.
 
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Hoodboy kay mu say kabhi achi baat nahi nikalti.
Bahi woh Keh raha hai F35 purchase Karo

Lobbying in process , trying to have some wind in f-35s favour . Just sayin
Yeh I feel it F35 can replace our old F16s or we can it separate 36 pieces r enough to keep India at Bay and Modis Rafale

I was reading on twitter by US defence Jurno that F35 prices slated 75 million per copy by US Govt if its true then we should go far it rather new F16 I know it's waiting time but LM built assembly at Italy too.
 
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Iraq was (very) well-equipped for conventional warfare back in 1991, but US was packing numerous surprises of its own which became apparent during the course of war; Vietnam was a fantastic teacher.

Imagine yourself as a 'distant observer' with limited knowledge of latest developments up to 1991... Pakistan's then COAS Mirza Aslam Beg was betting on Iraq as well [before the war started]. Go figure.


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Source: Air Force Magazine (1996)

MiG-25, MiG-29 and Mirage F1 were much like Su-3x variants and Rafale of modern times.


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Iraqi defenses were obviously ALERT and expecting an attack from US-led forces at any point in time [after] the buildup around its borders, and the deadline issued to Iraq for withdrawal from Kuwait had expired. However, F-117 aircraft and Tomahawk cruise missiles took them by surprise - they had virtually no experience and exposure to these platforms up to this point in time. Anybody who believe that Iraqi defenses were able to track movements of these airborne assets in real-time, is LYING. With nothing significant turning up on radar screens, Iraqi defenses had no choice but to spray their airspace with AA fire in all directions in the hopes of knocking down potential intruders - but this didn't work.

Footage of an F-117 disabling potential targets in the Al Taqqadum airbase near Fallujah during the initial days of the Gulf War in 1991:


Do you think a conventional aircraft could pull this off in its place at that point in time? :disagree:

Lot of juicy information in this link: https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how-stealth-was-baptized-by-fire-in-desert-storm-25-yea-1753796745

"At 2:51 a.m. on the morning of January 17, 1991, Major Greg Feest dropped the first bomb of Operation Desert Storm as part of the first ten aircraft to raid key strategic sites around Baghdad. Two more waves of F-117s would follow on the 17th.

Even though estimates for combat losses were as high as five percent, all the jets returned after their sorties that first night. Stealth had passed with flying colors.


The F-117 was one of only three weapons that were cleared to strike targets in downtown Baghdad, the other two being a limited number of classified AGM-86C cruise missiles launched from B-52s under operation Secret Squirrel, and throngs of BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from Navy ships. For just representing two and a half percent of the fixed wing combat force, the F-117s attacked 31 percent of the targets on the opening night of Desert Storm."



Bro, I live in a cave or something?

FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistani-icbm.599177/page-12#post-11365664

Years-worth of information compiled for all members in a single post. You can thank me later.


VLO (Very Low Observable) design philosophy CHANGES EVERYTHING in relation to war-fighting - EVERYTHING.

To give you some perspective:-

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The aforementioned diagrams showcase the sheer effectiveness of VLO design (very low RCS values) in isolation.

Now, VLO is just a part of the equation; F-35 is a cutting-edge war-fighting machine on the whole.

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Respective detection range of each sensor system is NOT TO SCALE.

Now, F-35 offers FUSED VIEW of the battlefield to its pilot; information provided by every onboard sensor system is COMBINED and PROCESSED by the F-35's mission computer simultaneously for its pilot in one-go, and updates are non-stop/fluid.

Watch this video:


F-35's passive sensor network (EOTS + DAS + RWR) is so advanced that it is providing a VISUAL PICTURE of those rockets being launched into space, and tracking their motion in real-time along the way. And F-35's AESA radar system was providing WEAPON LOCK TRACKS on each rocket all along - cutting-edge SENSOR FUSION capabilities.

The pilot just needs to press the button and watch potential targets going up in flames.

SEE FIRST ; SHOOT FIRST ; KILL FIRST


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Very low infrared event - no aircraft will be able to pick on this development from substantial distances. And when that AMRAAM will close-in for the kill, the aircraft on the receiving end will provide a MISSILE LOCK WARNING to the pilot, but it might be too late by then. Consider the latest AIM-120D for instance, its seeker will be 'active' for only <6 seconds prior to impact. This is extremely short 'reaction time' for the target aircraft, and even its DRFM jammer, to do something about it.


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Sweeping generalization, bro. AMRAAMs are much more maneuverable than any aircraft out there.


If being the KEY WORD, and this is 'assuming' that an F-35 did not took YOU OUT FIRST*.

*YOU cannot surprise F-35 in WVR situations from any angle.

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"DAS accomplishes its unique task via a constellation of electro-optical cameras installed around the F-35, each staring in a separate direction. Then, a powerful computer processor "stitches" these video images together to create a continuous viewable video "sphere." When the DAS imagery is paired with an advanced helmet mounted display that is slaved to a spatial tracking system, the person wearing that helmet can look around and virtually "see" the environment around them relayed from the camera network, even in total darkness and, in some cases in otherwise blinding environmental conditions.

Because the DAS cameras are mounted around the outside of the vehicle, and the user is seated inside the vehicle while wearing a helmet mounted display with DAS's imagery being projected inside of it, the user can virtually "see through" the vehicle's structure as if it were never there in the first place. So if a F-35 pilot was flying at night, and his wingman disappeared below him, he could look down and see his wingman right through the floor of his jet.

Distributed Aperture technology does not only provide synthetic vision. When paired with high-speed computers loaded with the latest in image recognition and object tracking software, the system can provide missile launch detection and tracking, ground target tracking and recognition, infra-red search and track functions, and even ballistic missile tracking capabilities. When tied to high-end software and advanced computing hardware, the DAS system is very smart and very sensitive, and will only become more so as time goes on.

In the realm of air combat, a pilot flying an aircraft with DAS installed should almost always know where the enemy and friendlies are during a dogfight. The system really works as a smart optical search and tracker at longer ranges, notifying the pilot of interesting things it sees, both in the air and on the ground, and as a virtual "back-seater" born with x-ray vision during close-range combat."


FYI: https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-f-35-s-x-ray-vision-is-the-future-of-naval-and-all-1636711504

The sheer ignorance in regards to extraordinary war-fighting capabilities of F-35 continues to baffle me. Now that experts are pointing out the obvious, people are reacting in sheer ignorance.

The highlighted part in your statement is self-contradictory. Nevertheless, F-22A Raptor is the only bird in existence which can do something about F-35 in aerial combat.


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Recommended: https://www.f35.com/about/history

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F-35B = IOC = July 31, 2015

F-35A = IOC = August 02, 2016

F-35C = IOC = February 28, 2019

We are looking at THREE distinct variants of F-35 with distinct R&D schedules.

Even in the WEST, some people critic everything these days because they have nothing better to do.



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Who were Iraqis shooting at with anti aircraft guns? They spotted these aircrafts but were unable to bring it down, because lack of their anti aircraft gun range and Iraqis didn’t deploy Air Force which could’ve taken out this aircraft just by cannon fire.

All the info you have provided above just proves my point that F-35 is good to take out enemies defenses. It’s not built for dogfight. It can have a large radar and BVR capabilities and all that advance tech. However, BVRs are not 100% kill. I’m not saying F-35 isn’t a good fighter. It’s very capable with some of most advance tech available. I just disagree that it’s invincible and cannot be taken out.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2015...-threatened-bad-strategy-mike-fredenburg/amp/

We know PAF isn’t Iraqi airfocre which didn’t deploy its fighter jets with enemies on its border lines. Our intelligence network across Pakistan and the region is brilliant and if such a scenario arises our fighters jets would be heard all over Pakistani cities so it won’t be a piece of cake even for USAF. They don’t underestimate us and we shouldn’t either. At the end of the day a well trained pilot of F-16 gets near F-35 best believe it’s falling outta sky just by cannon fire. If anything that can wipe out PAF is the F-22 raptors and even a raptor pilot will have a 2nd thought going against F-16. A well trained F-16 pilot can take out any aircraft which exists across globe at the moment. That’s what Israelis and Pakistanis have realized and made it the backbone of their forces.
 
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