F-35 Isreal stealth aircraft detected by air traffic control radar near Lebanon !

[Ultima Thule]

Look @blackuday the more systems for your defenses then you become safer you become in the battlefield, you have there are more survival Chance the battlefield you have but before 5th gen jets, 4th/4.5th gen jets were/are more relying on ELECTRONICS WARFARE SYSTEM because the don't have Stealth, but as for 5th relying on only one system (Stealth) is more riskier/dangerous to evade enemy's Modern Air Defense, so that why all 5th gen jets using (STEALTH + ELECTRONIC WARFARE ) for their defense and that the main advantages of 5th gen jets over 4th/4.5 gen jets @blackuday

 

[Beny Karachun]

Assad troops were never bombed by anyone. Even if they bomb an inch from an S-400, so what? Even if someone fires 1 bullet at a Russia military personnel you better watch out.

Why do you always mention the old video , while I posted the latest videos? Are you avoiding the answer?

I repeat, Israel has not published any video about the F-35 actually acting in the war. Please prove it by video, do not guess

Alright, since singularity in the form of autism was achieved, I will leave this thread, just as logic and common sense left ages ago.

 

[blackuday]

When i said that DAS RWR can't help stealth jet, it always does to defend stealth jet from AAM and SAMs by detecting missile/impact points etc etc by detecting from these devices stealth jet releasing its chaff/flares @blackuday

EA 18G is not a stealth jet but this doesn't mean stealth jets haven't these system they all have ECM/EW/ECCM @blackuday


Not only stealth 5th gen jets but all 4th gen/4.5 gen jet have it i already showed my prove @blackuday

Where has it been proven? Invisible, DAS, RWR did not help stealth aircraft

 

[Ultima Thule]

Where has it been proven? Invisible, DAS, RWR did not help stealth aircraft

Look @blackuday the more systems for your defenses then you become safer you become in the battlefield, you have there are more survival Chance the battlefield you have but before 5th gen jets, 4th/4.5th gen jets were/are more relying on ELECTRONICS WARFARE SYSTEM because the don't have Stealth, but as for 5th relying on only one system (Stealth) is more riskier/dangerous to evade enemy's Modern Air Defense, so that why all 5th gen jets using (STEALTH + ELECTRONIC WARFARE ) for their defense and that the main advantages of 5th gen jets over 4th/4.5 gen jets @blackuday

 

[blackuday]

Look @blackuday the more systems for your defenses then you become safer you become in the battlefield, you have there are more survival Chance the battlefield you have but before 5th gen jets, 4th/4.5th gen jets were/are more relying on ELECTRONICS WARFARE SYSTEM because the don't have Stealth, but as for 5th relying on only one system (Stealth) is more riskier/dangerous to evade enemy's Modern Air Defense, so that why all 5th gen jets using (STEALTH + ELECTRONIC WARFARE ) for their defense and that the main advantages of 5th gen jets over 4th/4.5 gen jets @blackuday

Defend don't same like stealth

Defenses include ECM, chaff, flares, aircraft are still detected and still shot down, no defense system is 100%

Invisibility is not visible by radar, the aircraft will be 100%

Look @blackuday the more systems for your defenses then you become safer you become in the battlefield, you have there are more survival Chance the battlefield you have but before 5th gen jets, 4th/4.5th gen jets were/are more relying on ELECTRONICS WARFARE SYSTEM because the don't have Stealth, but as for 5th relying on only one system (Stealth) is more riskier/dangerous to evade enemy's Modern Air Defense, so that why all 5th gen jets using (STEALTH + ELECTRONIC WARFARE ) for their defense and that the main advantages of 5th gen jets over 4th/4.5 gen jets @blackuday

You dont say
Air Combat Command chief Gen. Mike Hostage, according to reporter Colin Clark, "labels as 'old think' those critics who point to the F-117 shoot-down and the presumed supremacy of high-powered electronic-magnetic warfare." The F-35′s cross section is much smaller than the F-22′s. “The F-35 doesn’t have the altitude, doesn’t have the speed [of the F-22], but it can beat the F-22 in stealth.”
http://aviationweek.com/blog/f-35-stealthier-f-22

The EA18G is much better equipped system electronic warface than the F-22 and F-35, but it is not stealth

Lt. Col. David Berke, former commander of the US Marine Corps' first operational F-35B squadron, told Business Insider that the idea of upgrading a legacy fighter to do the F-35's job was plainly "preposterous."

Virtually everyone pointed to a single necessary aspect of the F-35 that the F/A-18 lacks - stealth.

But the US Navy and countries around the world already have in their sights a modern update on the F/A-18 that's meant to compliment the F-35. The update may be poised to deliver even more capability than Lockheed Martin's Joint Strike Fighter in some areas, even without being stealthy.

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/boeing-updated-f18-comparable-f35-advanced-super-hornet-2017-1/

 

[Ultima Thule]

Defend don't same like stealth

Defenses include ECM, chaff, flares, aircraft are still detected and still shot down, no defense system is 100%

Invisibility is not visible by radar, the aircraft will be 100%



You dont say
Air Combat Command chief Gen. Mike Hostage, according to reporter Colin Clark, "labels as 'old think' those critics who point to the F-117 shoot-down and the presumed supremacy of high-powered electronic-magnetic warfare." The F-35′s cross section is much smaller than the F-22′s. “The F-35 doesn’t have the altitude, doesn’t have the speed [of the F-22], but it can beat the F-22 in stealth.”
http://aviationweek.com/blog/f-35-stealthier-f-22

The EA18G is much better equipped system electronic warface than the F-22 and F-35, but it is not stealth

Lt. Col. David Berke, former commander of the US Marine Corps' first operational F-35B squadron, told Business Insider that the idea of upgrading a legacy fighter to do the F-35's job was plainly "preposterous."

Virtually everyone pointed to a single necessary aspect of the F-35 that the F/A-18 lacks - stealth.

But the US Navy and countries around the world already have in their sights a modern update on the F/A-18 that's meant to compliment the F-35. The update may be poised to deliver even more capability than Lockheed Martin's Joint Strike Fighter in some areas, even without being stealthy.

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/boeing-updated-f18-comparable-f35-advanced-super-hornet-2017-1/

So your point is this that F-22/F-35 is relying only on Stealth For defense that is your whole point @blackuday ???

Defend don't same like stealth

Defenses include ECM, chaff, flares, aircraft are still detected and still shot down, no defense system is 100%

Invisibility is not visible by radar, the aircraft will be 100%



You dont say
Air Combat Command chief Gen. Mike Hostage, according to reporter Colin Clark, "labels as 'old think' those critics who point to the F-117 shoot-down and the presumed supremacy of high-powered electronic-magnetic warfare." The F-35′s cross section is much smaller than the F-22′s. “The F-35 doesn’t have the altitude, doesn’t have the speed [of the F-22], but it can beat the F-22 in stealth.”
http://aviationweek.com/blog/f-35-stealthier-f-22

The EA18G is much better equipped system electronic warface than the F-22 and F-35, but it is not stealth

Lt. Col. David Berke, former commander of the US Marine Corps' first operational F-35B squadron, told Business Insider that the idea of upgrading a legacy fighter to do the F-35's job was plainly "preposterous."

Virtually everyone pointed to a single necessary aspect of the F-35 that the F/A-18 lacks - stealth.

But the US Navy and countries around the world already have in their sights a modern update on the F/A-18 that's meant to compliment the F-35. The update may be poised to deliver even more capability than Lockheed Martin's Joint Strike Fighter in some areas, even without being stealthy.

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/boeing-updated-f18-comparable-f35-advanced-super-hornet-2017-1/

and don't bring this crap again and again @blackuday EG-18 is for very specialized mission SEAD and DEAD that why its equipped with so many electronic warfare systems @blackuday

Where has it been proven? Invisible, DAS, RWR did not help stealth aircraft

To defend, for example if the Stealth jets detected/tracked/engage by enemy's modern air defenses than how can stealth jets defend with @blackuday then here come the INTERNAL ELECTRONIC WARFARE SYSTEMS of 5thh gen stealth jets to jam/disable AAMS and SAMs and their data links @blackuday

 

[LeGenD]

Electronic Warfare: The Part Of The F-35 Fighter Story You Haven't Heard

Modern warfare is waged largely on the electromagnetic spectrum. Although bombs and missiles get the headlines, they are just the kinetic step in a "kill chain" that relies heavily on electronic sensors and computers to detect, track, prioritize and target enemy assets. If the enemy is technologically advanced, it will be using its own array of electronic devices to deceive, disrupt or destroy attacking forces. These defensive measures will typically include methods for interfering with the electronic signals that smart bombs depend on for accuracy.

The struggle to control and exploit the electromagnetic spectrum makes today's conflicts fundamentally different from those of the past. Although Sun Tzu understood 2000 years ago that success in war often depends on deception, the opportunities to confuse, disorient and demoralize adversaries have multiplied as the military enterprise came to depend so heavily on electronic tactics and tools. Electronic warfare thus is a central feature of military strategy for the foreseeable future.

Which brings me to the Pentagon's biggest weapons program, the F-35 fighter. Begun at the dawn of the new millennium two decades ago, the F-35 program is providing the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps with replacements for most of their Cold War tactical aircraft (nearly 300 have already been delivered). Three distinctly different variants of the plane will supply each service with performance features tailored to their unique requirements, in an exceptionally agile and versatile aircraft designed to be far more survivable than those that came before.

The skies aren't as empty as they seem. The F-35 must be able to survive and thrive in a dense, complicated electromagnetic environment full of hostile emitters.

If you have paid any attention to the F-35 program, then you know that stealth technology is critical to its survival in wartime. Stealth, also known as low-observable technology, enables the aircraft to avoid danger by minimizing features that can be detected using radars or heat-seeking sensors. For instance, radar signals are either deflected by the fighter's shape or absorbed by its materials, so little energy returns to the radar that can be used to track the plane.

The F-35 has an integrated stealth design, meaning it not only minimizes "signatures" in the microwave segment of the spectrum used by radar, but also the infrared and visible-light segments exploited by electro-optical sensors. Emissions from on-board communications equipment are also managed to leave enemies with few options for finding the fighter. So while a long-wavelength search radar might occasionally detect a distant F-35, there will usually be no way of tracking or targeting it.

This is the main reason why F-35s are achieving kill ratios of 20-to-1 in simulated combat against adversary aircraft. As one pilot of an adversary fighter put it, "We just can't see them like they can see us. It can feel like you are out there with a blindfold on trying to find someone in a huge space." This state of being nearly defenseless harkens back to pre-radar days, when a very worried Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin warned the British Parliament that "the bomber will always get through."

But there is more to F-35 survivability than stealth. All three variants of the fighter are equipped with a highly automated electronic-warfare system that disrupts and deceives enemy electronic capabilities -- not just radars, but heat-seeking missiles, communications networks and navigation signals. The combination of this advanced electronic-warfare system with F-35 stealth, speed, agility and weapons assures the U.S. and its allies will have unfettered access to hostile air space through mid-century, and probably beyond.

The F-35's electronic-warfare system is built by BAE Systems, Inc., the U.S. subsidiary of Britain's biggest defense contractor. Like F-35 prime contractor Lockheed Martin, BAE Systems is a longtime contributor to my think tank and consulting client. But the company is so reserved in discussing features of the system that I didn't bother to solicit comments for this story. Fortunately, there are a few other sources one can turn to for a general grasp of how effectively F-35 maneuvers in the electromagnetic realm.

Unlike legacy tactical aircraft that had "federated" electronic-warfare systems, the F-35 architecture is highly integrated. Radio-frequency and electro-optical receivers are embedded around the edge of the airframe to provide continuous sensing of hostile emitters in every direction, with collections from all sensors fused through a central computer before being displayed on the visor of the pilot's helmet. The system also merges information from off-board sensors to provide a comprehensive picture of the local electronic environment.

F-35 is the first fighter that integrates threat data from across the relevant segments of the spectrum before displaying it to the pilot. That reduces the time required to respond to dangers while also easing pressure on the pilot. In fact, if the pilot is preoccupied with other facets of the mission, the EW system will automatically generate the optimum solution to a threat, whether that means jamming a radar, releasing chaff to confuse it, or launching false targets (usually high-tech flares) to draw away heat-seeking missiles.

Onboard EW functions are closely coupled with the F-35's agile radar, which like many other onboard electronic systems is built by Northrop Grumman. The radar is used not only to track and target potential threats, but also to generate jamming signals that overload enemy sensor and communication receivers so that they cannot be used effectively. These software-driven functions must be performed with great precision to generate effects at the exact frequencies where hostile emitters are operating without disrupting signals used by friendly forces.

Because the F-35's EW architecture is fully digitized, it weighs less, needs less space, and requires less power than legacy technology. However, the F-35 provides much greater electrical power for electronic applications than last-generation aircraft, enabling it to collect information and generate effects over larger areas. The radar is designed to generate highly directional signals for jamming so that emitters in specific locations can be disrupted without causing collateral effects elsewhere in the battlespace.

To summarize, the F-35 is essentially self-sufficient in its capacity to detect, localize, prioritize and defeat hostile emitters. It not only doesn't require dedicated support aircraft, but it can act as a jamming aircraft for other planes that are not so well-endowed. Whatever information a particular pilot cannot get from his or her onboard systems can generally be obtained from off-board sources (including other F-35s) via secure data links. This is yet another way in which the Pentagon's biggest program is building the foundation for U.S. global air dominance in the decades ahead.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorent...-fighter-story-you-havent-heard/#9442edd68ccd

 

[blackuday]

So your point is this that F-22/F-35 is relying only on Stealth For defense that is your whole point @blackuday ???


and don't bring this crap again and again @blackuday EG-18 is for very specialized mission SEAD and DEAD that why its equipped with so many electronic warfare systems @blackuday


To defend, for example if the Stealth jets detected/tracked/engage by enemy's modern air defenses than how can stealth jets defend with @blackuday then here come the INTERNAL ELECTRONIC WARFARE SYSTEMS of 5thh gen stealth jets to jam/disable AAMS and SAMs and their data links @blackuday

Again ! As you said the plane is equipped with electronic systems such as RWR ECM will stealth.....Why is the EA-18G not as invisible as the Americans say?

They have both system, and ECM etc etc will provide wrong/false information to the enemy, both are complementry system to each other (ECM EW + STEALTH) @blackuday

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/f-35...adar-near-lebanon.569614/page-7#post-10671369

How the RWR, ECM can help the F-35 to be stealth ? The F-117 did not have any analog systems F-35 and EA-18G, but it was still invisible

The EA18G is much better equipped system electronic warface than the F-22 and F-35, but it is not stealth

Lt. Col. David Berke, former commander of the US Marine Corps' first operational F-35B squadron, told Business Insider that the idea of upgrading a legacy fighter to do the F-35's job was plainly "preposterous." Virtually everyone pointed to a single necessary aspect of the F-35 that the F/A-18 lacks - stealth.
https://nordic.businessinsider.com/boeing-updated-f18-comparable-f35-advanced-super-hornet-2017-1/

Oh yeah ?! "the INTERNAL ELECTRONIC WARFARE SYSTEMS of 5thh gen stealth jets to jam/disable AAMS and SAMs and their data links"

What the system? Any trial has taken place? and eventually any system like ECM, RWR or DAS did not help the F-35 stealthily.

No official F-35 report has shown that these systems help it invisible

http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/ANAAQ37F35/Pages/default.aspx
https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/an-asq-239-f-35-ew-countermeasure-system
https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities/electronicwarfare

That

Let me borrow this article. It's Forbes and it demonstrates stealth and ECM (electronic countermeasure) are different elements....You are still being detected (placed in sight), you can only fool them, stealthy makes your opponent unable to see you and attack you

But there is more to F-35 survivability than stealth. All three variants of the fighter are equipped with a highly automated electronic-warfare system that disrupts and deceives enemy electronic capabilities -- not just radars, but heat-seeking missiles, communications networks and navigation signals. The combination of this advanced electronic-warfare system with F-35 stealth, speed, agility and weapons assures the U.S. and its allies will have unfettered access to hostile air space through mid-century, and probably beyond.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorent...-fighter-story-you-havent-heard/#9442edd68ccd

 

[DavidSling]

Again ! As you said the plane is equipped with electronic systems such as RWR ECM will stealth.....Why is the EA-18G not as invisible as the Americans say?

The EA18G is much better equipped system electronic warface than the F-22 and F-35, but it is not stealth

Lt. Col. David Berke, former commander of the US Marine Corps' first operational F-35B squadron, told Business Insider that the idea of upgrading a legacy fighter to do the F-35's job was plainly "preposterous." Virtually everyone pointed to a single necessary aspect of the F-35 that the F/A-18 lacks - stealth.
https://nordic.businessinsider.com/boeing-updated-f18-comparable-f35-advanced-super-hornet-2017-1/

Oh yeah ?! "the INTERNAL ELECTRONIC WARFARE SYSTEMS of 5thh gen stealth jets to jam/disable AAMS and SAMs and their data links"

What the system? Any trial has taken place? and eventually any system like ECM, RWR or DAS did not help the F-35 stealthily.

That

Let me borrow this article. It's Forbes and it demonstrates stealth and ECM (electronic countermeasure) are different elements....You are still being detected (placed in sight), you can only fool them

F-35 Stealth Aircraft Goes “Live” On Flight Tracking Websites As It Flies Mission Over Israel
Jul 24 2018 - 11 Comments

By David Cenciotti
An F-35, most probably one of the Adir jets recently delivered to the Israeli Air Force, appears on Flightradar24.com: deliberate action or just a case of bad OPSEC?
On Jul. 23, an F-35 went fully visible on popular flight tracking website Flightradar24.com as it performed a mission out of Nevatim airbase. The aircraft could be monitored for about 1 hour as it went “feet wet” (over the sea) north of Gaza then flew northbound to operate near Haifa.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1021300154396291072

Noteworthy, the F-35 used a US hex code (AF351F, first logged on Nov. 15, 2016 over at Live ModeS and since then regularly tracked in the US) even though it’s safe to believe it could be one of the Adir aircraft delivered to the Israeli Air Force in the last weeks. A hex code is a unique ICAO 24-bit address assigned to a Mode-S/ADS-B transponder.

https://twitter.com/x/status/905523459979177985

According to Mil ModeS logs possible tailcode was 13-5067, even though this should be an F-35A that last June, based on the photographs available online, was assigned to the 6th Weapons Squadron, assigned to the USAF Weapons School, at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada. Anyway, the F-35 flying over Israel yesterday did not broadcast its position via ADS-B but it could be tracked by means of Multilateration (MLAT). Using Time Difference of Arrival (TDOA) MLAT measures the difference in time to receive the signal from four different receivers, to geolocate and track an aircraft even if it does not transmit ADS-B data.

As we have widely explained here at The Aviationist (read here for a complete analysis):

The ADS-B system uses a special transponder that autonomously broadcasts data from the aircraft’s on-board navigation systems about its GPS-calculated position, altitude and flight path. This information is transmitted on 1090 MHz frequency: ground stations, other nearby aircraft as well as commercial off-the-shelf receivers available on the market as well as home-built ones, tuned on the same frequency, can receive and process this data.

Flightradar24 and PlaneFinder rely on a network of several hundred (if not thousand) feeders who receive and share Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) transponders data and contribute growing the network and cover most of the planet.

Obviously, only ADS-B equipped aircraft flying within the coverage area of the network are visible.

Actually, in those areas where coverage is provided by several different ground stations, the position can be calculated also for those planes that do not broadcast their ADS-B data by means of Multilateration (MLAT). […]

Although the majority of the aircraft you’ll be able to track using a browser (or smartphone’s app) using the above mentioned Web-based tracking services are civil airliners and business jets, military aircraft are also equipped with Mode-S ADS-B-capable transponders: a 2010 Federal Aviation Administration rule requires all military aircraft to be equipped with ADS-B transponders by Jan. 1, 2020, as part of its program to modernize the air transportation system.

As for the reasons why the aircraft could be tracked online, there are various theories. The first one is that it was a deliberate action: considered the F-35 went “live” few hours Israel made first operational use of David’s Sling missile defense system against two SS-21 Syrian ballistic missiles, there is someone who believes the mission was part of a PSYOPS aimed at threatening Israel’s enemies (Syria in particular). Our readers will probably remember the weird, most probably bogus claim of an IAF F-35 mission into the Iranian airspace originally reported by the Al-Jarida newspaper, a Kuwaiti outlet often used to deliver Israeli propaganda/PSYOPS messages.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1021303911599280128

However the Israeli Air Force has already made public the fact that the F-35 has been used in air strikes in the Middle East (Syria and another unspecified “front”) lately. On May 23, the Israeli Air Force Commander, Maj. Gen. Amikam Norkin said during a IAF conference attended by 20 commander of air forces from around the world: “The Adir planes are already operational and flying in operational missions. We are the first in the world to use the F-35 in operational activity”. He also showed a photograph of an “Adir” flying at high altitude off Beirut (with radar reflectors, hence not in “stealthy mode”). In other words, there’s probably no need to remind Syria or Iran that the Israeli Air Force has the F-35 since they are already using it in combat.

For this reason, there is also someone who believes that the first appearance of an Israeli Adir on Flightradar24 may have been a simple mistake: the Mode-S transponder was not turned off. A case of OPSEC fail in one of the most secretive air arms in the world.

Indeed, transponders are usually turned off during real operations as well as when conducting missions that need to remain invisible (at least to public flight tracking websites and commercial off the shelf receivers). Unless the transponder is turned on for a specific purpose: to let the world know they are there. In fact, as reported several times here, it’s difficult to say whether some aircraft that can be tracked online broadcast their position for everyone to see by accident or on purpose: increasingly, RC-135s and other strategic ISR platforms, including the Global Hawks, operate over highly sensitive regions, such as Ukraine or the Korean Peninsula, with the ADS-B and Mode-S turned on, so that even commercial off the shelf receivers (or public tracking websites) can monitor them. Is it a way to show the flag? Or just a mistake?

Here’s what we have been observing for some 7 years:

[…] during the opening stages of the Libya Air War in 2011 some of the combat aircraft involved in the air campaign forgot/failed to switch off their mode-S or ADS-B transponder, and were clearly trackable on FR.24 or PF.net. And despite pilots all around the world know the above mentioned flight tracking websites very well, transponders remain turned on during real operations, making their aircraft clearly visible to anyone with a browser and an Internet connection. As a consequence, we have been highlighting the the risk of Internet-based flight tracking of aircraft flying war missions for years. In 2014 we discovered that a U.S. plane possibly supporting ground troops in Afghanistan acting as an advanced communication relay can be regularly tracked as it circled over the Ghazni Province. Back then we explained that the only presence of the aircraft over a sensitive target could expose an imminent air strike, jeopardizing an entire operations. US Air Force C-32Bs (a military version of the Boeing 757 operated by the Department of Homeland Security and US Foreign Emergency Support Team to deploy US teams and special forces in response to terrorist attacks), American and Russian “doomsday planes”, tanker aircraft and even the Air Force One, along with several other combat planes can be tracked every now and then on both FR24.com and PF.net.

So, what’s your take on this? The “F-35 visible over Israel” was a deliberate action or a mistake? Let us know in the comments section.

https://theaviationist.com/2018/07/...ing-websites-as-it-flies-mission-over-israel/

 

[blackuday]

F-35 Stealth Aircraft Goes “Live” On Flight Tracking Websites As It Flies Mission Over Israel
Jul 24 2018 - 11 Comments

By David Cenciotti
An F-35, most probably one of the Adir jets recently delivered to the Israeli Air Force, appears on Flightradar24.com: deliberate action or just a case of bad OPSEC?
On Jul. 23, an F-35 went fully visible on popular flight tracking website Flightradar24.com as it performed a mission out of Nevatim airbase. The aircraft could be monitored for about 1 hour as it went “feet wet” (over the sea) north of Gaza then flew northbound to operate near Haifa.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1021300154396291072

Noteworthy, the F-35 used a US hex code (AF351F, first logged on Nov. 15, 2016 over at Live ModeS and since then regularly tracked in the US) even though it’s safe to believe it could be one of the Adir aircraft delivered to the Israeli Air Force in the last weeks. A hex code is a unique ICAO 24-bit address assigned to a Mode-S/ADS-B transponder.

https://twitter.com/x/status/905523459979177985

According to Mil ModeS logs possible tailcode was 13-5067, even though this should be an F-35A that last June, based on the photographs available online, was assigned to the 6th Weapons Squadron, assigned to the USAF Weapons School, at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada. Anyway, the F-35 flying over Israel yesterday did not broadcast its position via ADS-B but it could be tracked by means of Multilateration (MLAT). Using Time Difference of Arrival (TDOA) MLAT measures the difference in time to receive the signal from four different receivers, to geolocate and track an aircraft even if it does not transmit ADS-B data.

As we have widely explained here at The Aviationist (read here for a complete analysis):

The ADS-B system uses a special transponder that autonomously broadcasts data from the aircraft’s on-board navigation systems about its GPS-calculated position, altitude and flight path. This information is transmitted on 1090 MHz frequency: ground stations, other nearby aircraft as well as commercial off-the-shelf receivers available on the market as well as home-built ones, tuned on the same frequency, can receive and process this data.

Flightradar24 and PlaneFinder rely on a network of several hundred (if not thousand) feeders who receive and share Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) transponders data and contribute growing the network and cover most of the planet.

Obviously, only ADS-B equipped aircraft flying within the coverage area of the network are visible.

Actually, in those areas where coverage is provided by several different ground stations, the position can be calculated also for those planes that do not broadcast their ADS-B data by means of Multilateration (MLAT). […]

Although the majority of the aircraft you’ll be able to track using a browser (or smartphone’s app) using the above mentioned Web-based tracking services are civil airliners and business jets, military aircraft are also equipped with Mode-S ADS-B-capable transponders: a 2010 Federal Aviation Administration rule requires all military aircraft to be equipped with ADS-B transponders by Jan. 1, 2020, as part of its program to modernize the air transportation system.

As for the reasons why the aircraft could be tracked online, there are various theories. The first one is that it was a deliberate action: considered the F-35 went “live” few hours Israel made first operational use of David’s Sling missile defense system against two SS-21 Syrian ballistic missiles, there is someone who believes the mission was part of a PSYOPS aimed at threatening Israel’s enemies (Syria in particular). Our readers will probably remember the weird, most probably bogus claim of an IAF F-35 mission into the Iranian airspace originally reported by the Al-Jarida newspaper, a Kuwaiti outlet often used to deliver Israeli propaganda/PSYOPS messages.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1021303911599280128

However the Israeli Air Force has already made public the fact that the F-35 has been used in air strikes in the Middle East (Syria and another unspecified “front”) lately. On May 23, the Israeli Air Force Commander, Maj. Gen. Amikam Norkin said during a IAF conference attended by 20 commander of air forces from around the world: “The Adir planes are already operational and flying in operational missions. We are the first in the world to use the F-35 in operational activity”. He also showed a photograph of an “Adir” flying at high altitude off Beirut (with radar reflectors, hence not in “stealthy mode”). In other words, there’s probably no need to remind Syria or Iran that the Israeli Air Force has the F-35 since they are already using it in combat.

For this reason, there is also someone who believes that the first appearance of an Israeli Adir on Flightradar24 may have been a simple mistake: the Mode-S transponder was not turned off. A case of OPSEC fail in one of the most secretive air arms in the world.

Indeed, transponders are usually turned off during real operations as well as when conducting missions that need to remain invisible (at least to public flight tracking websites and commercial off the shelf receivers). Unless the transponder is turned on for a specific purpose: to let the world know they are there. In fact, as reported several times here, it’s difficult to say whether some aircraft that can be tracked online broadcast their position for everyone to see by accident or on purpose: increasingly, RC-135s and other strategic ISR platforms, including the Global Hawks, operate over highly sensitive regions, such as Ukraine or the Korean Peninsula, with the ADS-B and Mode-S turned on, so that even commercial off the shelf receivers (or public tracking websites) can monitor them. Is it a way to show the flag? Or just a mistake?

Here’s what we have been observing for some 7 years:

[…] during the opening stages of the Libya Air War in 2011 some of the combat aircraft involved in the air campaign forgot/failed to switch off their mode-S or ADS-B transponder, and were clearly trackable on FR.24 or PF.net. And despite pilots all around the world know the above mentioned flight tracking websites very well, transponders remain turned on during real operations, making their aircraft clearly visible to anyone with a browser and an Internet connection. As a consequence, we have been highlighting the the risk of Internet-based flight tracking of aircraft flying war missions for years. In 2014 we discovered that a U.S. plane possibly supporting ground troops in Afghanistan acting as an advanced communication relay can be regularly tracked as it circled over the Ghazni Province. Back then we explained that the only presence of the aircraft over a sensitive target could expose an imminent air strike, jeopardizing an entire operations. US Air Force C-32Bs (a military version of the Boeing 757 operated by the Department of Homeland Security and US Foreign Emergency Support Team to deploy US teams and special forces in response to terrorist attacks), American and Russian “doomsday planes”, tanker aircraft and even the Air Force One, along with several other combat planes can be tracked every now and then on both FR24.com and PF.net.

So, what’s your take on this? The “F-35 visible over Israel” was a deliberate action or a mistake? Let us know in the comments section.

https://theaviationist.com/2018/07/...ing-websites-as-it-flies-mission-over-israel/

A technology mistake

The F-35 is not as stealth as the commercials (https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities/stealth)
The F-35 does not have an ADS-B system until 2020 (read: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/how-the-f-22-f-35-could-lose-their-stealth-thanks-the-24350)

 

[DavidSling]

A technology mistake

The F-35 is not as stealth as the commercials (https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities/stealth)
The F-35 does not have an ADS-B system until 2020 (read: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/how-the-f-22-f-35-could-lose-their-stealth-thanks-the-24350)

If it was technology mistake how come F-35 isn't visible on any flight, just on that one?
Moreover, do u have any proof for that?
Claiming something to be true doesn't make it true, and the thing u suggested just unrealistic

 

[blackuday]

If it was technology mistake how come F-35 isn't visible on any flight, just on that one?
Moreover, do u have any proof for that?
Claiming something to be true doesn't make it true, and the thing u suggested just unrealistic

As part of its modernization efforts, the FAA has issued a rule that requires all aircraft—military and civilian—operating within U.S. national airspace to be equipped with Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) Out transponders, which broadcast its position via satellite, by January 1, 2020.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/how-the-f-22-f-35-could-lose-their-stealth-thanks-the-24350

At the ATCA conference, Allan Storm, U.S. Air Force civil/military integration division deputy, explained that it is easier to fit the service’s 187 C-17 Globemaster III cargo jets for ADS-B Out than to equip fighters such as the F-35A, F-22 and F-16.

“I’m not going to make the mandate, and I’m not going to be close,” Storm stated flatly. “But the good news is…we are working on a memorandum with the FAA on how we’re going to accommodate both the equipped and the non-equipped.”
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...gh-airlines-slow-equip-faa-plans-future-ads-b

 

[DavidSling]

As part of its modernization efforts, the FAA has issued a rule that requires all aircraft—military and civilian—operating within U.S. national airspace to be equipped with Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) Out transponders, which broadcast its position via satellite, by January 1, 2020.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/how-the-f-22-f-35-could-lose-their-stealth-thanks-the-24350

At the ATCA conference, Allan Storm, U.S. Air Force civil/military integration division deputy, explained that it is easier to fit the service’s 187 C-17 Globemaster III cargo jets for ADS-B Out than to equip fighters such as the F-35A, F-22 and F-16.

“I’m not going to make the mandate, and I’m not going to be close,” Storm stated flatly. “But the good news is…we are working on a memorandum with the FAA on how we’re going to accommodate both the equipped and the non-equipped.”
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...gh-airlines-slow-equip-faa-plans-future-ads-b

So some aircrafts are harder to equip with these systems and some are easier, your point?
if F-35 was visible to their "radars" according to your claim, you'd see routine and combat F-35 flights every day not only along Israel but everywhere, which is just untrue.

 

[blackuday]

So some aircrafts are harder to equip with these systems and some are easier, your point?
if F-35 was visible to their "radars" according to your claim, you'd see routine and combat F-35 flights every day not only along Israel but everywhere, which is just untrue.

I just rely on the truth, the F-35 was detected....Israel accidentally announced it, actually the Russians may well have discovered it

The Russians track the Israeli aircraft (F15 / 16I) on the radar screen. The F-15I and F-16I are equipped with powerful jamming systems, which must actually be invisible better than the F-35.

The F-35 fan was said

They have both system, and ECM etc etc will provide wrong/false information to the enemy, both are complementry system to each other (ECM EW + STEALTH) @blackuday

Moreover, Yugoslavia has not released the video of radar (S125 SAM system) detected F-117, but we still have this

Iam from Vietnam. We have shot down a lot of B-52s, although they have a lot of aircraft for SEADs, jammers and the B52 itself, which is a heavy jammer.

This is the Houthi video revealing UAE military vessels by radar....We have not seen much, but Houthi has actually discovered and attacked many Arab warships

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Of course it's not stealth. In an American civil war you can bet your house an F-35 of Trump faction would shoot down an F-35 of Congress faction.