F-22: America’s Big Broken Toy

[gambit]

f-22 craptor.

this fighter is all hype. typical american bullsh!t hype.
the public bought all this hype hook, line, sinker.

war is about hyping ur own weapons systems to scare the opponents.

f-22 craptor is all hype. its like a ferrari that breaks down every 10kms.

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Like I said: Debunked Rachel Maddow crap.

 

[Paan Singh]

F-22 is a piece of crap.

you build cheap, you get cheap.

look who is talking??

 

[Zabaniyah]

The problem with that bird is that it is too complex

 

[gambit]

The problem with that bird is that it is too complex

Compared to what? That conglomeration of copied/stolen tech PoS called the J-20?

 

[Secur]

Compared to what? That conglomeration of copied/stolen tech PoS called the J-20?

Cant the Americans even protect their secrets ? Because their best tech gets stolen every now and then

 

[gambit]

Cant the Americans even protect their secrets ? Because their best tech gets stolen every now and then

What does this has to do with the FACT that the J-20 is a conglomeration of stolen/copied tech? Granted, Chinese engineers should rightly be given credit for their creativity in hobbling together disparate sub-systems designed for other aircrafts, but that still does not detract from the FACT that the J-20 is not as 'indigenous' as the Chinese would like everyone to believe.

 

[Secur]

What does this has to do with the FACT that the J-20 is a conglomeration of stolen/copied tech? Granted, Chinese engineers should rightly be given credit for their creativity in hobbling together disparate sub-systems designed for other aircrafts, but that still does not detract from the FACT that the J-20 is not as 'indigenous' as the Chinese would like everyone to believe.

You sure that is a FACT or the same usual BS and suspicion towards anything that isn't labeled " Made in USA " ?

 

[Obambam]

What does this has to do with the FACT that the J-20 is a conglomeration of stolen/copied tech? Granted, Chinese engineers should rightly be given credit for their creativity in hobbling together disparate sub-systems designed for other aircrafts, but that still does not detract from the FACT that the J-20 is not as 'indigenous' as the Chinese would like everyone to believe.

Nothing wrong with that. We are simply replicating what the Americans did decades ago.

 

[SpArK]

Nothing wrong with that. We are simply replicating what the Americans did decades ago.

Logically that means they are decades ahead tooo.

 

[Paan Singh]

but both f-35,f-22 facing problems with funds as well and their high cost

 

[IceCold]

This thread has really gone down. Whats with the bashing attitude? Seriously guys we are all grown ups, lets act like grownups as well.
Coming back to the topic, US equipment is the best to date and for me this is seen from the fact that even though US is a un reliable supplier when it comes to weapons, PAF still decided to go for the the block 52 even though we are well aware of the cons. We had the option for J-10 even back then when it was first shown to Musharraf. Now by saying this i do not want to sound disrespectful towards our chinese friends, i am just stating a simple fact from our side.
Every complex machinery is always prone to certain errors, that does not make it unreliable or crap like people are putting it to be. F-22 is something the rest of the world is yet to match. J-20 and PakFa are still in development. When they are fully inducted, God knows how many faults they will develop and will have to be rectified.

 

[Obambam]

Logically that means they are decades ahead tooo.

They are decades ahead in aviation and there's no denying. Problem, however, is they are having trouble financing it, but China's situation is very different. Money will continued to be poured into R&D and will be increased annually due to our successful and rapidly expanding economy.

 

[gambit]

Nothing wrong with that. We are simply replicating what the Americans did decades ago.

Did I say that it was wrong? But let us face the truth: The J-20's basic airframe layout came from the MIG 1.42/1.44. The fly-by-wire FLCS came from US. Chinese designers were just as shocked about 'stealth' as everyone else so the J-20's incorporation of low radar observable techniques also came from US. And please spare me the line about how it was the Russians who 'invented stealth'. I have Ufimtsev's text book in my little library.

 

[Star√ation]

F-22 along with B-2, both are genius piece of machines. Of course it will have some mail-function issues by the time. Even us human beings have headaches, illness... all the time, let alone machine.

Remember how jealous the Chinese and Russian are with those "grounding fleets" of F-22.

 

[gambit]

J-20 and PakFa are still in development. When they are fully inducted, God knows how many faults they will develop and will have to be rectified.

Thank you. Perhaps your attitude will sink into some thick skulls who so eagerly start and pile into threads like this.