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Neo said:Waw!
Great link General, I had a major rush watching the video and don't want to know what the pilot must be feeling.
Aim-9x is an amazing weapon, I didn't see it though in the MDE list.
I could'nt understand why Pakistan asked US to provide AIM-9M instead of AIM-9X. AIM-9M has very limited capabilities as compared to 9X. AIM-9X has the capability to shoot at an agle of 180 degree, while AIM-9M has only 60 degree. But still its alot better than the old versions which PAF is using, where you have to go behind the bendit to catch the heat signals to shoot it down.
There it is, just as I predicted! 
Pakistan to receive F-16 fighters in next two years: Durrani
Saturday July 08, 2006 (0206 PST)
Pakistan to receive F-16 fighters in next two years: Durrani
WASHINGTON: Pakistan envoy in United States Mehmood Durrani has said Pakistan will start to receive US F-16 fighter jets delivery within next two years.
Pakistan would also get other weapon systems, ships and defence equipment from United States, he said while talking to a private news channel.
He termed a meeting between Pakistani and US energy officials encouraging for boosting bilateral cooperation in the energy sector.
He said it was his foremost priority as Pakistan envoy to play key role in strengthening relations with the United States. With respect to Pakistan’s role in war against terror he said that Pakistan has played a vital role in war against terror due to which our image has increased many fold amongst the comity of nations. Meanwhile US President George Bush while accepting the credentials of the new Pakistani envoy said that his country is willing to play a role for improving Pak-India relations.
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=149219
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:embarassed: Another two years ?????
hmmmm hope no hard hindrenc come in between during next two years.
hmmmm hope no hard hindrenc come in between during next two years.
Thats what it takes to build new jets. The older ones are already available and could get MLU as early as next year.Jana said:
A lot can happen in two years, but one thing is for sure that US will still be involved in Iraq and Afghanistan and who knows maybe in Iran needing Pak support for WoT.
This time we won't make the same mistake as in early nineties when the follow up order got embargoed.
Jana hinted very correct at the future. As long as Pkaistan pleases US it will survive but it has pretty turbulent past en with elections and radicals in that arena we have to wait and see whether the same tarmac will be filles with paid equipment. On the other hand as long as China keeps being close friends and wold's fastest growing economies and at the same time Irac, Afghanistan and Iran a major PITA (pain in the A) promlem there is little hinder. At the moment the attention shifted ot North Korea... IT will come back to Iran and Afghanistan is getting a bigger problem.
The US cannot afford another 150 million becoming anti. At the same time Pakistan cannot afford to become what it has been for a few decades. A paria. I see a win win situation.
The US cannot afford another 150 million becoming anti. At the same time Pakistan cannot afford to become what it has been for a few decades. A paria. I see a win win situation.
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Congress to question Pakistan's F-16s deal
WASHINGTON (July 10 2006): The Bush administration has pushed to conclude a landmark $5 billion sale of F-16 jets to Pakistan before completing traditional consultations with the US Congress and fully answering security concerns, a congressman and other congressional sources say.
The move is being seen by some lawmakers as the latest example of the administration's distaste for consulting Congress on security issues and they said the relevant committees would probe the deal further in the coming weeks.
Among Congress' concerns about the deal are how Pakistan intends to ensure that its long-time defence ally China will not have access to advanced US technology and whether there has been any diversion of such technology already in Pakistani hands, several sources said in recent interviews.
"I have deep concerns about the process or the lack thereof, which the Bush Administration used to inform Congress about the pending sale of F-16s to Pakistan," said Democratic Rep Joseph Crowley of New York, a member of the House International Relations Committee and a leading congressional supporter of Pakistan's rival, India.
"The administration has shown time and time again that they are not interested in congressional oversight on sensitive deals," he said in an e-mail to Reuters.
The State Department announced last week that consultations with lawmakers had been concluded and that formal notification had been given to Congress, paving way for the deal with US aerospace company Lockheed Martin Corp to proceed.
But Democrat and Republican congressional sources tell a different story, and the Republican-controlled committees with jurisdiction over the sale-the House panel and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee-have scheduled hearings in the next two weeks to probe the matter further.
Several sources, who spoke anonymously because of the issue's sensitivity, said it was unlikely Congress would block the deal, which supporters say would keep open Lockheed's F-16 production line employing 5,000 people and which may close in 2008.
But public debate over the sale could prove awkward for the administration and Pakistan. A previous F-16 sale was halted in 1990 because of concerns over Pakistan's nuclear programme.
In addition to selling 16 new F-16s to Pakistan and refurbishing used ones, the current deal involves an option on an additional 18 aircraft and a support package for up to 26 used F-16s, missiles and other munitions, and an upgrade package for Pakistan's current fleet of 34 F-16s.
A new report by Congressional Research Service, Congress's analytical arm, said the single-engine Block 50/52 Falcon being sold to Pakistan is the most modern F-16 flown by the United States and may be better suited to air-to-air combat against rival India than fighting terrorists.
Crowley also expressed concern that "Pakistan has not moved forward with promises of democracy, fighting its internal extremists, enforcing human rights, or respecting minorities" and has not let US interrogators question Abdul Qadeer Khan.
A senior State Department official said the administration had gone to "extraordinary lengths" to meet Congress' concerns. "We have briefed on nine occasions, answered countless written questions and detailed an extensive security plan for the sale," the official said.
The United States said in March 2005, it would resume sales of F-16s to Pakistan after a 16-year break intended to sanction the country for its nuclear programme.
Congressional sources say administration officials did begin consulting last year but were slow to deal with security concerns. Consultations halted when the sale was delayed after devastating earthquake in Pakistan, but resumed in May.
Congressional sources said they were still seeking answers to security questions when the administration on June 28 gave formal notification of the sale, setting in motion a 30-day period for Congress to review the sale and decide whether to block it.
In doing so, the administration ignored a 20-day informal consultation period that has been observed by presidents for decades, congressional sources said.
WASHINGTON (July 10 2006): The Bush administration has pushed to conclude a landmark $5 billion sale of F-16 jets to Pakistan before completing traditional consultations with the US Congress and fully answering security concerns, a congressman and other congressional sources say.
The move is being seen by some lawmakers as the latest example of the administration's distaste for consulting Congress on security issues and they said the relevant committees would probe the deal further in the coming weeks.
Among Congress' concerns about the deal are how Pakistan intends to ensure that its long-time defence ally China will not have access to advanced US technology and whether there has been any diversion of such technology already in Pakistani hands, several sources said in recent interviews.
"I have deep concerns about the process or the lack thereof, which the Bush Administration used to inform Congress about the pending sale of F-16s to Pakistan," said Democratic Rep Joseph Crowley of New York, a member of the House International Relations Committee and a leading congressional supporter of Pakistan's rival, India.
"The administration has shown time and time again that they are not interested in congressional oversight on sensitive deals," he said in an e-mail to Reuters.
The State Department announced last week that consultations with lawmakers had been concluded and that formal notification had been given to Congress, paving way for the deal with US aerospace company Lockheed Martin Corp to proceed.
But Democrat and Republican congressional sources tell a different story, and the Republican-controlled committees with jurisdiction over the sale-the House panel and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee-have scheduled hearings in the next two weeks to probe the matter further.
Several sources, who spoke anonymously because of the issue's sensitivity, said it was unlikely Congress would block the deal, which supporters say would keep open Lockheed's F-16 production line employing 5,000 people and which may close in 2008.
But public debate over the sale could prove awkward for the administration and Pakistan. A previous F-16 sale was halted in 1990 because of concerns over Pakistan's nuclear programme.
In addition to selling 16 new F-16s to Pakistan and refurbishing used ones, the current deal involves an option on an additional 18 aircraft and a support package for up to 26 used F-16s, missiles and other munitions, and an upgrade package for Pakistan's current fleet of 34 F-16s.
A new report by Congressional Research Service, Congress's analytical arm, said the single-engine Block 50/52 Falcon being sold to Pakistan is the most modern F-16 flown by the United States and may be better suited to air-to-air combat against rival India than fighting terrorists.
Crowley also expressed concern that "Pakistan has not moved forward with promises of democracy, fighting its internal extremists, enforcing human rights, or respecting minorities" and has not let US interrogators question Abdul Qadeer Khan.
A senior State Department official said the administration had gone to "extraordinary lengths" to meet Congress' concerns. "We have briefed on nine occasions, answered countless written questions and detailed an extensive security plan for the sale," the official said.
The United States said in March 2005, it would resume sales of F-16s to Pakistan after a 16-year break intended to sanction the country for its nuclear programme.
Congressional sources say administration officials did begin consulting last year but were slow to deal with security concerns. Consultations halted when the sale was delayed after devastating earthquake in Pakistan, but resumed in May.
Congressional sources said they were still seeking answers to security questions when the administration on June 28 gave formal notification of the sale, setting in motion a 30-day period for Congress to review the sale and decide whether to block it.
In doing so, the administration ignored a 20-day informal consultation period that has been observed by presidents for decades, congressional sources said.
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Owais said:
well offocurse Indian lobby will pressurise the Bush Admin not to approve the deal.
Congress have a strong Indian lobby and the congressmen in the story is also a supporter of India.
But security concerns they have? It wont affect the balance of power in the region as the same had been offered to India rather they were offered much advance radar system also.
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan, eyeing a landmark $5 billion deal with the United States for the purchase of F-16 fighter jets, said on Monday it was ready to address U.S. fears it would transfer the technology to another country.
A Congressman and several other congressional sources have voiced concerns that the U.S. administration pushed to conclude the deal before completing traditional consultations with the Congress and fully answering security concerns.
Among other issues, Congress wants to know how Pakistan intends to ensure that its long-time defense ally China will not have access to the U.S. technology and whether there has been any diversion of such technology already in Pakistani hands.
Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri was visiting the United States for talks with U.S. officials, but in Islamabad his ministry's spokeswoman said any worries should be laid to rest once the deal was finalized.
"We are willing to consider what is proposed," Tasnim Aslam, the ministry's spokeswoman, told a weekly news briefing.
"We can have some appropriate language that we will not transfer F-16 technology to any third country," she said.
"When you purchase defense equipment or transfer of technology there is a standard clause that is put in such defense agreements that such technology will not be transferred to any third country," she added.
The State Department announced last week that consultations with lawmakers had been concluded and that formal notification had been given to Congress, paving the way for the deal with U.S. aerospace company Lockheed Martin Corp. to proceed.
The Bush administration announced the deal this month as part of its drive to broaden a strategic partnership with its key ally in the global war on terrorism and advance U.S. interests in South Asia.
A previous F-16 sale was halted in 1990 because of concerns over Pakistan's nuclear program.
In addition to selling 16 new F-16s to Pakistan and refurbishing used ones, the current deal involves an option on an additional 18 aircraft and a support package for up to 26 used F-16s, missiles and other munitions, and an upgrade package for Pakistan's current fleet of 34 F-16s.
Pakistan fears the military balance in South Asia in conventional and nuclear forces has swung India's way in recent years and officials said on Monday that the navy would induct a new home-made Agosta 90B submarine into its fleet next month.
The submarine is equipped with the most advanced version of the Agosta design, and has a state-of-the-art combat system.
Pakistan currently has four submarines, of which two are Agosta 90B class built with French cooperation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060710...kistan_usa_dc_1
A Congressman and several other congressional sources have voiced concerns that the U.S. administration pushed to conclude the deal before completing traditional consultations with the Congress and fully answering security concerns.
Among other issues, Congress wants to know how Pakistan intends to ensure that its long-time defense ally China will not have access to the U.S. technology and whether there has been any diversion of such technology already in Pakistani hands.
Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri was visiting the United States for talks with U.S. officials, but in Islamabad his ministry's spokeswoman said any worries should be laid to rest once the deal was finalized.
"We are willing to consider what is proposed," Tasnim Aslam, the ministry's spokeswoman, told a weekly news briefing.
"We can have some appropriate language that we will not transfer F-16 technology to any third country," she said.
"When you purchase defense equipment or transfer of technology there is a standard clause that is put in such defense agreements that such technology will not be transferred to any third country," she added.
The State Department announced last week that consultations with lawmakers had been concluded and that formal notification had been given to Congress, paving the way for the deal with U.S. aerospace company Lockheed Martin Corp. to proceed.
The Bush administration announced the deal this month as part of its drive to broaden a strategic partnership with its key ally in the global war on terrorism and advance U.S. interests in South Asia.
A previous F-16 sale was halted in 1990 because of concerns over Pakistan's nuclear program.
In addition to selling 16 new F-16s to Pakistan and refurbishing used ones, the current deal involves an option on an additional 18 aircraft and a support package for up to 26 used F-16s, missiles and other munitions, and an upgrade package for Pakistan's current fleet of 34 F-16s.
Pakistan fears the military balance in South Asia in conventional and nuclear forces has swung India's way in recent years and officials said on Monday that the navy would induct a new home-made Agosta 90B submarine into its fleet next month.
The submarine is equipped with the most advanced version of the Agosta design, and has a state-of-the-art combat system.
Pakistan currently has four submarines, of which two are Agosta 90B class built with French cooperation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060710...kistan_usa_dc_1
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Financing for F-16s sale being discussed with US: Kasuri
WASHINGTON (July 12 2006): Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri on Monday evening said in his meetings with senior US officials, he expressed gratitude of Pakistan in respect of F16s, which has been notified to Congress. "This deal will go through," he said.
"It is quite a big package. It is between 4 and 5 billion dollars, details of which are being worked out." Responding to a newsman's query, Kasuri said the US administration "have been very positive, and they have notified to Congress. Some 36 aircraft are available: 18 new, and with an option to buy another 18 new aircraft; 26 old ones were part of this notification. They have to locate those, and they will have to be upgraded also".
"We are interested in a certain number of aircraft," he said without specifying, and added it covers munitions also valuing 4.3 million dollars. He said midlife upgradation is called for our existing fleet of 34 F16s. He stated that before the October 8 earthquake struck, "we were looking for a much larger package, we reduced the number."
The US is, however, prepared to sale "as many as we want".
The Foreign Minister disclosed that "now, we are working the financing arrangement. This is what we have been discussing today. We need some sort of financing arrangements, which we are discussing.
We are paying, what we need is financing arrangement, and this is what we need to look at and our finance people and the US side would be looking at". It is a government-to-government level discussion, he said. "So, we will work out on a lot of details. We are looking for the best financing arrangement for these aircraft."
"We explained that we had an earthquake and a lot of expenses have gone into that, and we need a more favourable arrangements for payment and we will be discussing the modes of payment," he said, adding "we discussed it with Secretary of State and National Security Advisor".
In the Congress, there is plurality of views, so there could be some objecting voices, may be, but he said that his impression is that it would get through. In his meetings with senior officials, he said, he gathered that they do not expect any hitches, though Congress has different people having their own points of view. "I think, they don't expect any difficulty in getting it through the Congress."
WASHINGTON (July 12 2006): Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri on Monday evening said in his meetings with senior US officials, he expressed gratitude of Pakistan in respect of F16s, which has been notified to Congress. "This deal will go through," he said.
"It is quite a big package. It is between 4 and 5 billion dollars, details of which are being worked out." Responding to a newsman's query, Kasuri said the US administration "have been very positive, and they have notified to Congress. Some 36 aircraft are available: 18 new, and with an option to buy another 18 new aircraft; 26 old ones were part of this notification. They have to locate those, and they will have to be upgraded also".
"We are interested in a certain number of aircraft," he said without specifying, and added it covers munitions also valuing 4.3 million dollars. He said midlife upgradation is called for our existing fleet of 34 F16s. He stated that before the October 8 earthquake struck, "we were looking for a much larger package, we reduced the number."
The US is, however, prepared to sale "as many as we want".
The Foreign Minister disclosed that "now, we are working the financing arrangement. This is what we have been discussing today. We need some sort of financing arrangements, which we are discussing.
We are paying, what we need is financing arrangement, and this is what we need to look at and our finance people and the US side would be looking at". It is a government-to-government level discussion, he said. "So, we will work out on a lot of details. We are looking for the best financing arrangement for these aircraft."
"We explained that we had an earthquake and a lot of expenses have gone into that, and we need a more favourable arrangements for payment and we will be discussing the modes of payment," he said, adding "we discussed it with Secretary of State and National Security Advisor".
In the Congress, there is plurality of views, so there could be some objecting voices, may be, but he said that his impression is that it would get through. In his meetings with senior officials, he said, he gathered that they do not expect any hitches, though Congress has different people having their own points of view. "I think, they don't expect any difficulty in getting it through the Congress."
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US lawmakers seek more safeguards for F-16s sale
WASHINGTON (July 14 2006): US lawmakers, fearful of any warplane-technology leakage to China, are demanding more safeguards for a $5 billion sale to Pakistan of F-16 fighter jets and related items, a key congressman said on Thursday.
"We have reason to be concerned that all security conditions be in place before we approve the sale," Rep. Tom Lantos, the top Democrat on the House International Relations Committee, said in a telephone interview with Reuters.
On June 28, the Bush administration formally notified Congress of plans to sell Pakistan up to 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 Falcon fighters built by Lockheed Martin Corp, in a deal worth up to $5 billion if all options are exercised.
Congress has the power to block such a sale by enacting a resolution of disapproval in both houses within 30 days of the notification date.
"We are dealing with a country that gave us A.Q. Kahn," said Lantos.
Lantos, of California, said he and Henry Hyde, the Illinois Republican who chairs the House panel, were pressing the State Department to build new safeguards into the deal.
He said he favoured the sale once "all of the security provisions are in place." Under standard practices, a buyer of US arms typically must agree to "end use monitoring" designed to make sure the technology is not shared illicitly.
WASHINGTON (July 14 2006): US lawmakers, fearful of any warplane-technology leakage to China, are demanding more safeguards for a $5 billion sale to Pakistan of F-16 fighter jets and related items, a key congressman said on Thursday.
"We have reason to be concerned that all security conditions be in place before we approve the sale," Rep. Tom Lantos, the top Democrat on the House International Relations Committee, said in a telephone interview with Reuters.
On June 28, the Bush administration formally notified Congress of plans to sell Pakistan up to 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 Falcon fighters built by Lockheed Martin Corp, in a deal worth up to $5 billion if all options are exercised.
Congress has the power to block such a sale by enacting a resolution of disapproval in both houses within 30 days of the notification date.
"We are dealing with a country that gave us A.Q. Kahn," said Lantos.
Lantos, of California, said he and Henry Hyde, the Illinois Republican who chairs the House panel, were pressing the State Department to build new safeguards into the deal.
He said he favoured the sale once "all of the security provisions are in place." Under standard practices, a buyer of US arms typically must agree to "end use monitoring" designed to make sure the technology is not shared illicitly.
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Pakistan need to agree to this we dont need to transfer so we should agree as we need these plan right now.
Wht u guys say will the congress clear the deal in near future?/
Wht u guys say will the congress clear the deal in near future?/
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