F-16 Justification---WHY?---ISPR

[MastanKhan]

absolutely agree
why even brother to show Mig 21 intact missiles this is like inviling the indians to source an F-16 wreckage from a third country and stage a prop in in Kashmir to make a proof

after the Americans stated that they have accounted all F-16s n
Indians are now claiming that it might have been Jordanian resold F-16s which Americans didnt count.(although BS as such sales are approved by USA and come under same regime)

ISPR is wasting its time to Indian cry babies. PAF won fair and square with or with out F-16 and the result was multiple Indian jets shot down by PAF on both sides of the LoC.

by the way
Indians did come up with the proof of shooting down F-16 Nawar

Hi,

Pak military won the skirmish fair and square in battle---. There is no need for the ISPR to go out on a limb to justify every wrong that there is---.

The americans never told anyone if they had lost any aircraft during the 1st gulf war---.

Indians are masters at deceit---. They praise you of your successes---and if it was me---I would be wondering---where the next strike is going to come from---.

Since when did the indians become so magnanimous to admit to their defeat on the public forum---.

 

[raja786]

Hi,

The ISPR is just getting embroiled in a useless justification of no F16's shot down or no F16's involved in the skirmish---.

It was not very intelligent of the ISPR to give details of what aircraft were used on Feb 27th and how they operated and what tactics were used---.

This information was related to operational intelligence---and there was no reason for it to be released to the public on a public forum and to the enemy---.

We have weapons system---we used our weapons systems---we destroyed enemy aircraft---and that was it---.

Nothing more should have been stated---no further information was needed.

The ISPR Gen Ghafoor---disclosed secret information on public forum---told the enemy publicly what we used---what our capabilities are---and how we used them---and the tactics involved---it seemed like if he was teaching a high school students class on how a game of cricket.

I am am literally astounded at the belligerent leak of highly secret tactical & operational information in such a callous manner---.

Secondly---the Sqdrn Leader leaks out the information of the aircraft that he shot down to his family and friends---.

It looks like Pakistan's national operational security means nothing---everyone who gets the opportunity is racing to be the first to release this information openly---without thinking of the consequences---.

Further---I do not see any reason at all---why the DG ISPR would take it upon himself to keep releasing the information on the no F16 usage or no F16's shot down---.

The enemy has moved forward to get better and potent weapons systems and our ISPR is entangled in justifying what we did or what we did not do---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Mentee

Do you know better then whole institution?

 

[MastanKhan]

Do you know better then whole institution?

Hi,

I don't give a sh-it about the whole institution just for the sake of institution---but I do know a lot about the indians---.

Trust---there are many a dimvit generals in pak military---actually most of them are---not the brightest stars---.

So---if your standard of thinking is that pak generals are the ultimate in know how---then it is a sorry state of affairs for the country---.

Some of the chiefs of staffs were dumber than a rock---specially the one during the first gulf war---.

 

[Shane]

It was not very intelligent of the ISPR to give details of what aircraft were used on Feb 27th and how they operated and what tactics were used---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Mentee

Hi there Sir, it's been a while since I've replied to any of your very intriguing posts, you really do set the bar high as it should be.

Why did ISPR give the type of Aircraft used by PAF that struck the 6 locations inside IOK, operational pointers?

Probably to avoid unneeded speculation, unnecessary reaction, avoid being the one to respond later but being pro active and control the flow of only such information that suited Pakistan but more importantly to advertise JF17's capabilities in the field of battle and make the most of it.

On the other hand, India has tried it's best to downplay the role of JF17 defined by ISPR and in trying to counter the narrative and wrestle the control of information commanded by ISPR, they felt forced by ISPR enough to make the audacious counter claim of downing an F16 viz a viz Mig21.

Hook, line and sinker.

I think the world expected India to do the type of press conferences that DG ISPR conducted while the Indian Spokespersons appeared stammered and inconclusive on the information front.

Secondly---the Sqdrn Leader leaks out the information of the aircraft that he shot down to his family and friends---.

It looks like Pakistan's national operational security means nothing---everyone who gets the opportunity is racing to be the first to release this information openly---without thinking of the consequences---.

As for the wing commander allegedly leaking info home, should always be strictly restricted and guarded with the threat of criminal proceedings against the perpetrators... if that too was not part of deliberate information warfare.

Further---I do not see any reason at all---why the DG ISPR would take it upon himself to keep releasing the information on the no F16 usage or no F16's shot down---.

As for ISPR just getting embroiled in a useless justification of no F16's shot down etc, don't you think it is the job of ISPR to do exactly the same i.e. it's very job of leading the information warfare front.

The enemy has moved forward to get better and potent weapons systems and our ISPR is entangled in justifying what we did or what we did not do---.

It is not the job of ISPR to go for weapons systems but do exactly what it almost masterfully did, control information front.

Could it have been done any better? Certainly there is always room for improvement, but believe me Sir, the bar used to be quite low. Just like there is always room for improvement, the same can be said about criticism for which there is always room too, lol.

DG ISPR owes nothing but my gratitude.

Sir, I'm sure you realise, in a BVR kill, video can only show so much....rest is highly classified....with lots of bl;ack square boxes needed to cover the details.

Good point, the rest being highly classified is exactly why India is reluctant to show its AWACS charts.

 

[raja786]

Hi,

I don't give a sh-it about the whole institution just for the sake of institution---but I do know a lot about the indians---.

Trust---there are many a dimvit generals in pak military---actually most of them are---not the brightest stars---.

So---if your standard of thinking is that pak generals are the ultimate in know how---then it is a sorry state of affairs for the country---.

Some of the chiefs of staffs were dumber than a rock---specially the one during the first gulf war---.

I don't wana call bigot, my brother the way you think things work let me tell you they don't. We are in 2019, the whole prospect is changed. Now days you can't hide but how you play things on time. If you didn't understand my last comment then it's pointless having debate in air.

 

[MastanKhan]

I don't wana call bigot, my brother the way you think things work let me tell you they don't. We are in 2019, the whole prospect is changed. Now days you can't hide but how you play things on time. If you didn't understand my last comment then it's pointless having debate in air.

Hi,

Here is what I saw happened---.

The Pakistani generals dumped the Kashmir cause just to look cute---.

The enemy had fckd up---it gave Pak military an opening to smash thru---and the Pak generals whimpered---.

Over 100 thousand have been slaughtered in Kashmir---thouisands of women raped---.

So where is the rage of pak generals when india gave the opportunity to strike---.

They could have decimated as many as they could---but they naver had a plan to take them on the first night---.

Even though IK had openly stated his intention---yet---the Paf was caught with its pants down---.

The 27th was done to save their EMBARRASSMENT---and to save the embarrassment of their failure on the first night---the Paf gave away all its strike secrets by making a daylight strike---.

If Kashmir had any value left for Pak military---it would have taken out everything that was possible in the arena---.

 

[raja786]

Hi,

Here is what I saw happened---.

The Pakistani generals dumped the Kashmir cause just to look cute---.

The enemy had fckd up---it gave Pak military an opening to smash thru---and the Pak generals whimpered---.

Over 100 thousand have been slaughtered in Kashmir---thouisands of women raped---.

So where is the rage of pak generals when india gave the opportunity to strike---.

They could have decimated as many as they could---but they naver had a plan to take them on the first night---.

Even though IK had openly stated his intention---yet---the Paf was caught with its pants down---.

The 27th was done to save their EMBARRASSMENT---and to save the embarrassment of their failure on the first night---the Paf gave away all its strike secrets by making a daylight strike---.

If Kashmir had any value left for Pak military---it would have taken out everything that was possible in the arena---.

Wow, I don't look at Kashmir issue they way you do and thank God our top brass don't either. Stop living in fantasy world bro, Kashmir will not be solved by any military means. I don't have to go in details, Pakistan is not ready yet. You need to dig somewhere els to get a satisfactory answers, more towards religious Prophecies. Right now just be prepared for upcoming events. Next 30 years are crucial for Pakistan, if we are ready in 30 years then good if not things will linger on.
What I have conclude so far there is going to be a nuclear exchange and we can't absorb the fall out right now. Thats why we need to be ready. Kashmir will not come easy. You are not aware my brother. The whole game circle around Kashmir. Few upcoming events will tell you what we are playing at. Let the dust settle, you won't understand and I don't want to spill the beans.

 

[Slides]

Hi,

Here is what I saw happened---.

The Pakistani generals dumped the Kashmir cause just to look cute---.

The enemy had fckd up---it gave Pak military an opening to smash thru---and the Pak generals whimpered---.

Over 100 thousand have been slaughtered in Kashmir---thouisands of women raped---.

So where is the rage of pak generals when india gave the opportunity to strike---.

They could have decimated as many as they could---but they naver had a plan to take them on the first night---.

Even though IK had openly stated his intention---yet---the Paf was caught with its pants down---.

The 27th was done to save their EMBARRASSMENT---and to save the embarrassment of their failure on the first night---the Paf gave away all its strike secrets by making a daylight strike---.

If Kashmir had any value left for Pak military---it would have taken out everything that was possible in the arena---.

Have you seen Pakistan's economy lately? You're not too bright, are you?

 

[raja786]

@MastanKhan
A barber changed his cast and moved the area now he is big Malik, after 20 years all his kids believe they are maliks but one day his old neighbour appears and tells everyone that This Malik is a barber from his village with video proof. Thats what happend on 27th February. And now that same old neighbour telling the whole world this is not supper power but a billion chootiyas on Earth. And world is believing the neighbour.

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan
A barber changed his cast and moved the area now he is big Malik, after 20 years all his kids believe they are maliks but one day his old neighbour appears and tells everyone that This Malik is a barber from his village with video proof. Thats what happend on 27th February. And now that same old neighbour telling the whole world this is not supper power but a billion chootiyas on Earth. And world is believing the neighbour.

This is of utter stupidity---and only pakistanis can cherish in their rhetoric---.

That is one strange analogy---. Please---if you need to address me---talk straight---. I do not understand what you want to expand upon---.

 

[raja786]

This is of utter stupidity---and only pakistanis can cherish in their rhetoric---.

That is one strange analogy---. Please---if you need to address me---talk straight---. I do not understand what you want to expand upon---.

This is of utter stupidity---and only pakistanis can cherish in their rhetoric---.

That is one strange analogy---. Please---if you need to address me---talk straight---. I do not understand what you want to expand upon---.

What's your ethnicity?

 

[Crusher]

@MastanKhan
A barber changed his cast and moved the area now he is big Malik, after 20 years all his kids believe they are maliks but one day his old neighbour appears and tells everyone that This Malik is a barber from his village with video proof. Thats what happend on 27th February. And now that same old neighbour telling the whole world this is not supper power but a billion chootiyas on Earth. And world is believing the neighbour.

Are you referring to Rehman Malik aka Mana Nai.

 

[raja786]

Are you referring to Rehman Malik aka erstwhile Mana Nai.

Hahahaha seems fit on that twit.

Why do I get this impression that mastnkhan seems like LULLDAPULL.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

The ISPR is just getting embroiled in a useless justification of no F16's shot down or no F16's involved in the skirmish---.

It was not very intelligent of the ISPR to give details of what aircraft were used on Feb 27th and how they operated and what tactics were used---.

This information was related to operational intelligence---and there was no reason for it to be released to the public on a public forum and to the enemy---.

We have weapons system---we used our weapons systems---we destroyed enemy aircraft---and that was it---.

Nothing more should have been stated---no further information was needed.

The ISPR Gen Ghafoor---disclosed secret information on public forum---told the enemy publicly what we used---what our capabilities are---and how we used them---and the tactics involved---it seemed like if he was teaching a high school students class on how a game of cricket.

I am am literally astounded at the belligerent leak of highly secret tactical & operational information in such a callous manner---.

Secondly---the Sqdrn Leader leaks out the information of the aircraft that he shot down to his family and friends---.

It looks like Pakistan's national operational security means nothing---everyone who gets the opportunity is racing to be the first to release this information openly---without thinking of the consequences---.

Further---I do not see any reason at all---why the DG ISPR would take it upon himself to keep releasing the information on the no F16 usage or no F16's shot down---.

The enemy has moved forward to get better and potent weapons systems and our ISPR is entangled in justifying what we did or what we did not do---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Mentee

Which Squadron Leader leaked out the info Mastan ??

 

[Mace]

Hi,

The ISPR is just getting embroiled in a useless justification of no F16's shot down or no F16's involved in the skirmish---.

It was not very intelligent of the ISPR to give details of what aircraft were used on Feb 27th and how they operated and what tactics were used---.

This information was related to operational intelligence---and there was no reason for it to be released to the public on a public forum and to the enemy---.

We have weapons system---we used our weapons systems---we destroyed enemy aircraft---and that was it---.

Nothing more should have been stated---no further information was needed.

The ISPR Gen Ghafoor---disclosed secret information on public forum---told the enemy publicly what we used---what our capabilities are---and how we used them---and the tactics involved---it seemed like if he was teaching a high school students class on how a game of cricket.

I am am literally astounded at the belligerent leak of highly secret tactical & operational information in such a callous manner---.

Secondly---the Sqdrn Leader leaks out the information of the aircraft that he shot down to his family and friends---.

It looks like Pakistan's national operational security means nothing---everyone who gets the opportunity is racing to be the first to release this information openly---without thinking of the consequences---.

Further---I do not see any reason at all---why the DG ISPR would take it upon himself to keep releasing the information on the no F16 usage or no F16's shot down---.

The enemy has moved forward to get better and potent weapons systems and our ISPR is entangled in justifying what we did or what we did not do---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Mentee

I must say ISPR is unnecessarily prolonging the issue. At the end you hope there is some purpose to it other than a coverup.

The image of missiles from Mig is not recent news. The downed Mig was with Pak all this time. They could have countered the Indian narrative on the first few days.

DGP might try to sound righteous now but there is lots of gaps in his narrative due his own contradictions on type of aircraft used and number of pilots captured.

This desperation from DGP ISPR makes me believe on that day Paf indeed lost an aircraft. There is sufficient video evidence of more than one parachute coming down that explicitly means that more than one aircraft went down in that battle.

Lessons learnt from the skirmish:
-Nukes mean f**k all. Iaf will cross LOC again if required.

-Paf ROE should be to start shooting Iaf planes if they cross loc

- Once bombed Pak will retaliate and Iaf/IA should be ready and not lower their guard.