F-16 Justification---WHY?---ISPR

[khattakfaisal]

Which force should dgispr or joint Chief belong to, let's leave it to the big guns and not bother our little minds with it..

Actually, the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee and DG ISPR should be rotated among the branches. It’s unfair for both posts to be reserved only for the army.

Airforce officers are more educated and intelligent than army officers if they are given more role our defense will become much better as they will make much better decisions than army generals who have damaged Pakistan in past like musharaf slavery of u.s in the name of war on terror and nro and gen zia selection of nawaz

 

[War Thunder]

Hi,

The ISPR is just getting embroiled in a useless justification of no F16's shot down or no F16's involved in the skirmish---.

It was not very intelligent of the ISPR to give details of what aircraft were used on Feb 27th and how they operated and what tactics were used---.

This information was related to operational intelligence---and there was no reason for it to be released to the public on a public forum and to the enemy---.

We have weapons system---we used our weapons systems---we destroyed enemy aircraft---and that was it---.

Nothing more should have been stated---no further information was needed.

The ISPR Gen Ghafoor---disclosed secret information on public forum---told the enemy publicly what we used---what our capabilities are---and how we used them---and the tactics involved---it seemed like if he was teaching a high school students class on how a game of cricket.

I am am literally astounded at the belligerent leak of highly secret tactical & operational information in such a callous manner---.

Secondly---the Sqdrn Leader leaks out the information of the aircraft that he shot down to his family and friends---.

It looks like Pakistan's national operational security means nothing---everyone who gets the opportunity is racing to be the first to release this information openly---without thinking of the consequences---.

Further---I do not see any reason at all---why the DG ISPR would take it upon himself to keep releasing the information on the no F16 usage or no F16's shot down---.

The enemy has moved forward to get better and potent weapons systems and our ISPR is entangled in justifying what we did or what we did not do---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Mentee

Dude, its called 5TH GENERATION WARFARE.

Humiliation, lowering enemy's and their publics' morale, damaging with drip fed information, making them question their own government and media, and repeating the process.

It might escape your mind, but this is what works in these times of informational warfare.

We have the tools, we have the proof, and we are using them while the enemy is still living in the last century and trying to deceive their public with what might have worked back in 1960's...

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Airforce officers are more educated and intelligent than army officers if they are given more role our defense will become much better as they will make much better decisions than army generals who have damaged Pakistan in past like musharaf slavery of u.s in the name of war on terror and nro and gen zia selection of nawaz

Partially agree. Remember AWACS incident? We lost 50% defense eye in just one day. Serious lapse of security , even today we still didn't recover from this incident due to such most expensive loss , . Instead of hanging our base commander , he was given award .
This is easy to escape & run from trial in Pakistan . I still fear we didn't learn from past.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

 

[MastanKhan]

Dude, its called 5TH GENERATION WARFARE.

Humiliation, lowering enemy's and their publics' morale, damaging with drip fed information, making them question their own government and media, and repeating the process.

It might escape your mind, but this is what works in these times of informational warfare.

We have the tools, we have the proof, and we are using them while the enemy is still living in the last century and trying to deceive their public with what might have worked back in 1960's...

Hi,

It is not simple as that---it is not 5th gen warfare as pakistan is playing it---.

Pakistan is just being dragged behind for the last 20 years---.

You young people like to use BIG WORDS without any concept and understanding of WHAT IS BEING SAID---.

India is a master of deceit and deception---this drama that it has started is to get more modern weapons for its military---. It has also succeeded in taking the lid off the JF17 aircraft's capabilities just by sacrificing two of its aircraft---.

It has also succeeded in knowing about our ELINT and EW system capabilities---.

And we are happy just because we shot down 2 of its aircraft---even though we could have taken out 10 of their aircraft---.

Now that would have been bragging rights moment---.

 

[Haroon Baloch]

It's more of psychological warfare. Lowering the enemies morale & etc

 

[War Thunder]

Hi,

It is not simple as that---it is not 5th gen warfare as pakistan is playing it---.

Pakistan is just being dragged behind for the last 20 years---.

You young people like to use BIG WORDS without any concept and understanding of WHAT IS BEING SAID---.

India is a master of deceit and deception---this drama that it has started is to get more modern weapons for its military---. It has also succeeded in taking the lid off the JF17 aircraft's capabilities just by sacrificing two of its aircraft---.

It has also succeeded in knowing about our ELINT and EW system capabilities---.

And we are happy just because we shot down 2 of its aircraft---even though we could have taken out 10 of their aircraft---.

Now that would have been bragging rights moment---.

Yes, i do agree for that perspective to be valid for concern. But let's hope the ones in power know what they are doing and why they are making the choices which they are.

And I'm sorry in case my language seems rude. It's not intended like that, it's just I like saying raw and unfiltered language in its blunt nature with zero diplomacy.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

That Kabootar was a very nice insertion---. Overall---excellent skit--

 

[Fledgingwings]

ISPR is a steel finger which will keep poking india where it hurts the most.infact it already is and the indians are feeling it.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

We should have brought up Kashmir---. If we had shot down more aircraft---we would have told the world---Kashmir struggle is still alive in pakistan---but Pak military generals fizzled out---.

The air force jocks had the indian aircraft in sight---the indian sub was located---yet allowed to escape from pakistani waters---why---.

This was a GOD GIVEN moment to pak military---to have maximized its utility in a shortest possibly time frame by inflicting maximum damage on the enemy---.

This interaction should have been pushed harder and farther to raise the kashmir issue on an extremely serious level---.

General Bajwa and the Paf chief and the Navy chief---they just FIZZLED out quick like the OLD F-ARTS that they are---.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

It's more of psychological warfare. Lowering the enemies morale & etc

Don't push your enemy that is 7 times bigger than us. We don't need to explain india and engage things of past. Feb is history Now. Look the number of snipers , & weapons our enemy ordered , They succeeded to convince nation for more Rafale & equipment , Navy helicopters against submarines, on other hand we are beating drums of Jf17, convincing ourself this is best in world. On other hand India is keeping Su30Mki as low profile, this is called strategy. There was reason indian sent mix of fighters including flying coffins Mig21. They exposed our strong points.
Like it is said Use your worst weapon against Best, and Best weapon against weakest.
I say, we just lost element of suprise, and india achieved it for just cost of 2 jets and too in cold war.
Real battle will happen in war. And india is ready for this. They just maximizing their military, and inducting defense system like S400 in this year. This is real threat. And we can lose our nuclear strike option as well to keep enemy at bay. I can predict Enemy will roar , and what are our preparation for next 5 year?

 

[Haroon Baloch]

Don't push your enemy that is 7 times bigger than us. We don't need to explain india and engage things of past. Feb is history Now. Look the number of snipers , & weapons our enemy ordered , They succeeded to convince nation for more Rafale & equipment , Navy helicopters against submarines, on other hand we are beating drums of Jf17, convincing ourself this is best in world. On other hand India is keeping Su30Mki as low profile, this is called strategy. There was reason indian sent mix of fighters including flying coffins Mig21. They exposed our strong points.
Like it is said Use your worst weapon against Best, and Best weapon against weakest.
I say, we just lost element of surprise, and India achieved it for just cost of 2 jets and too in cold war.
Real battle will happen in war. And India is ready for this. They just maximizing their military, and inducting defense system like S400 in this year. This is real threat. And we can lose our nuclear strike option as well to keep enemy at bay. I can predict Enemy will roar , and what are our preparation for next 5 year?

TBH We don't even know what actually happened on 27 Feb! About the preparation, The truth is no matter what in case of all-out war without the element of surprise Pakistan cannot hold India for long before depleting the resources. India has a numerical advantage. In our golden days of 1965. After maintaining much higher of 4-1 K/D. Pakistan still depleted more resources than India. That's why we have nukes. I'm pretty sure the Defense forces will probably planing on doing something to counter for S-400. The moment India induct S400, it would be good for Pakistan. The US will no longer offer India weapons & to counter the balance I'm pretty sure China will help us get something since they have received the S400 much earlier than India. Again it is just a speculation. India will never push for war for small skirmishes over LOC. They have much more to lose than us. Fun Fact: Indian Air force Serviceability rate is just around 55 %.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Hi,

That Kabootar was a very nice insertion---. Overall---excellent skit--

Yes! …. a very little known guy but did very well.

 

[alphibeti]

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My dear MK,

That woudl be too simplistic to frame this situation in this manner.

Today is the continum of past.

Kindly, see that in the absence of a natural, Pak political, socio-economic narrative a vacuum occured.

Indians need Pak for justification for their own internal and external agendas/goals. So, Indians can not be blamed. This is what Statecraft is all about.

Pak has zero Statecraft for a long time.... long with L.

Take example of this micro-war.

The entire Indian sales pitch for last 2.5 decades bit the dust and then suddenly a new geostrategic space opened up.

Did your politicos captured it and pursed it further?

Shouldn't your Info Minister be leading the charge with close coordination of the Establishment and Foreign Office?

What is the esteemed, honourable gent doing?

Please, do tell me anyone in your media, accedemia or political class even realise what has just happened?

So, yes, #DGISPR . in my considered oppinion, is doing a splendid job.

You know the difference between Push and Pull sales.

Now is the time for Pak to Pull... indian Push delivered jack.... Tea is phantaastic.

Over to you to retort.

Mangus

"Shouldn't your Info Minister be leading the charge with close coordination of the Establishment and Foreign Office?"
Completely agree to that. But unfortunately our Info Minister is a shallow personality kind of street gangster type dude. He is certainly incapable of handling this kind of situation and dealing with such delicate matters. He is more of a bhnka that you can unleash onto your political opponents. IK has deputed many jerks in his set up and info minister, def minister, CM Punjab are certainly among those. Poor nation.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi,

The ISPR is just getting embroiled in a useless justification of no F16's shot down or no F16's involved in the skirmish---.

It was not very intelligent of the ISPR to give details of what aircraft were used on Feb 27th and how they operated and what tactics were used---.

This information was related to operational intelligence---and there was no reason for it to be released to the public on a public forum and to the enemy---.

We have weapons system---we used our weapons systems---we destroyed enemy aircraft---and that was it---.

Nothing more should have been stated---no further information was needed.

The ISPR Gen Ghafoor---disclosed secret information on public forum---told the enemy publicly what we used---what our capabilities are---and how we used them---and the tactics involved---it seemed like if he was teaching a high school students class on how a game of cricket.

I am am literally astounded at the belligerent leak of highly secret tactical & operational information in such a callous manner---.

Secondly---the Sqdrn Leader leaks out the information of the aircraft that he shot down to his family and friends---.

It looks like Pakistan's national operational security means nothing---everyone who gets the opportunity is racing to be the first to release this information openly---without thinking of the consequences---.

Further---I do not see any reason at all---why the DG ISPR would take it upon himself to keep releasing the information on the no F16 usage or no F16's shot down---.

The enemy has moved forward to get better and potent weapons systems and our ISPR is entangled in justifying what we did or what we did not do---.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Mentee

absolutely agree
why even brother to show Mig 21 intact missiles this is like inviling the indians to source an F-16 wreckage from a third country and stage a prop in in Kashmir to make a proof

after the Americans stated that they have accounted all F-16s n
Indians are now claiming that it might have been Jordanian resold F-16s which Americans didnt count.(although BS as such sales are approved by USA and come under same regime)

ISPR is wasting its time to Indian cry babies. PAF won fair and square with or with out F-16 and the result was multiple Indian jets shot down by PAF on both sides of the LoC.

by the way
Indians did come up with the proof of shooting down F-16 Nawar