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The F-15 is considered to be one of the best fighter in the world. PAF personales i heard also have some experience with flying that jet in service with Saudi Arabia. The F-15E is the latest version of the Eagle, a Mach 2.5-class twin-engine fighter. More than 1,300 F-15s are in service worldwide with the US Air Force, US Air National Guard and the air forces of Israel, Japan and Saudi Arabia, including over 220 F-15E fighters. US Air Force F-15E aircraft have been almost exclusively used for close-air support.

The F-15E aircraft can carry payloads up to 23,000lb. The aircraft can carry up to four Lockheed Martin/Raytheon AIM-9LM infrared-guided Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, up to four Raytheon AIM-7F/M radar-guided Sparrow air-to-air missiles, or eight Raytheon AMRAAM radar-guided, medium-range air-to-air missiles. Ranges for these missiles are: Sidewinder: 8km; Sparrow: 45km; and AMRAAM: 50km. The range of air-to-ground ordnance includes guided GBU-10, -12, -15 and -24 bombs, and Raytheon AGM-65 Maverick infrared-guided missiles. Maverick's range is 25km. The first units of GBU-15 glide bomb upgraded with global positioning system (GPS) guidance have been delivered for deployment on the F-15E. The Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) was cleared for carriage on the F-15E in February 2005.

The Raytheon APG-70 synthetic aperture radar displays high-quality images of ground targets. APG-70 is able to create and freeze the high-resolution ground maps during quick sweeps of the target area, lasting only seconds.

F-15Es are equipped with Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 low-bypass turbofan engines, which provide 29,000lb of thrust per engine. Using the digital electronic engine control system, the pilot can accelerate from idle power to maximum afterburner within four seconds.

F-15E's role is as a long-range interdiction and air superiority aircraft, which can deal with the threat of Su-30MKI that PAF needs to counter in anyway. Although F-15E is one expensive fighter due to its maintannce and its unit cost, but the fighter seems to be a good option for air superiority role versus Su-30MKI.

F-15E has a ferry range of more than 3,500 miles. which is awesome for PAF as F-15E will not have to come again and again to the base every time for a reload, because it also has upto 15 hardpoints which gives it the ability of 23,000lbs.

I would like to know what are your opinions for this aircraft. Although this fighter was lost during BVR fight with Su-30MK of India, but still it is a good fighter. The reasons behind the lost were that USAF wanted more funds for its RAPTOR program, and to induct more of these 5th generation fighters. There were many factors which included fight without any support from AWAC's, where USAF takes the edge.

Sources:
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f15/
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/usa/boei.../F-15_Eagle.htm
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=101
 
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The F-15 costs $40M. The F-16 costs $25M. The F-15 is twin-enigned meaning higher maintenance cost. F-16 is sing-engined meaning lower maintenence cost! No F-15s! Yes F-16s!
 
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Originally posted by Kim Jong-il Hater@Nov 20 2005, 06:34 AM
The F-15 costs $40M. The F-16 costs $25M. The F-15 is twin-enigned meaning higher maintenance cost. F-16 is sing-engined meaning lower maintenence cost! No F-15s! Yes F-16s!
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PAF always prefer single engine fighter and y go for F15E when we can get cheeper and more effective EUFTyphoon? is MKIs and Rafales are better than F15E?
 
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Originally posted by Kim Jong-il Hater@Nov 19 2005, 07:34 PM
The F-15 costs $40M. The F-16 costs $25M. The F-15 is twin-enigned meaning higher maintenance cost. F-16 is sing-engined meaning lower maintenence cost! No F-15s! Yes F-16s!
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If we would want to compare Su-30MKI or typically counter it, it seems like that it is a fighter which is relatively cheap and will provide great threat to any fighter out there. This makes me wonder why South Korea went for it, because i think they got it for relatively cheap and it also met their requirements.

F-15 has a payload of 23,000 lbs and Rafale's payload is 13227.74 lbs. Also Rafale has 12~ hardpoints while F-15E has some where around 15 hard points.

F-15 will be a great fighter if PAF have enough funds to cover its maintainance cost with its unit cost of 5 squadrons of 60 fighters. Also if we show our interests maybe they can lower its price too!

But i dont think that PAF will be interested since like Hater mentions due to maintanance cost because it is twin engined aircraft.

What so ever i think we should shed some light on this aircraft before going for Gripen or J-10 in the future.
 
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Originally posted by Viper Z@Nov 19 2005, 10:29 PM
PAF always prefer single engine fighter and y go for F15E when we can get cheeper and more effective EUFTyphoon?.
is MKIs and Rafales are better than F15E?
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I believe MKI beats F-15E in BVR fight because it can detect the aircraft some where around 120 KM~? While F-15E can fire Sidewinder: 8km; Sparrow: 45km; and AMRAAM: 50km.

I dont know what is the BVR range for F-15E is though, but its must be lower than MKI.

I have a question for you regarding your claim of Eurofighter Typhoon. Why do you think its cheaper than F-15E besides the maintainace cost of it?
 
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The only fighter that would let PAF gain true superiourtey will be Eurofighter. And here is how

Right now the only fighter that can actully defeat MKI is rafale and eurofighter.

If we go for rafale then india can easily go for eurofighters which are better then rafale, and puting PAF under tech disvanatge again.

If PAF goes for eurofighter in the 1st place then we will have advantage over IAF for atleast 2020 before both airforces will buy 5th gen fighters. And then it's all about skills :banana:


But the reason pakistan don't give a f*** about MKI's is because in a real war senorio, pakistan would fire cruise missiles and ballisitc missiles on indian/enemy targets such as air bases, training centers, bridges, subs, etc. After pakistan will be asured that most of their stuff is destoryed then they will let PAF loose :bunny:
 
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Originally posted by Ahsan F@Nov 20 2005, 09:37 AM
I believe MKI beats F-15E in BVR fight because it can detect the aircraft some where around 120 KM~? While F-15E can fire Sidewinder: 8km; Sparrow: 45km; and AMRAAM: 50km.

I dont know what is the BVR range for F-15E is though, but its must be lower than MKI.

I have a question for you regarding your claim of Eurofighter Typhoon. Why do you think its cheaper than F-15E besides the maintainace cost of it?
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see the graph in that link and judge ur self...
http://www.eurofighter.com/Typhoon/Cost/
 
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Originally posted by Ahsan F@Nov 20 2005, 10:07 AM
I believe MKI beats F-15E in BVR fight because it can detect the aircraft some where around 120 KM~? While F-15E can fire Sidewinder: 8km; Sparrow: 45km; and AMRAAM: 50km.

I dont know what is the BVR range for F-15E is though, but its must be lower than MKI.

I have a question for you regarding your claim of Eurofighter Typhoon. Why do you think its cheaper than F-15E besides the maintainace cost of it?
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The ALASKAN F-15C didnt even have a AESA rader and to add to that they werent
carring Aim120 B or C so they lost given the fact if they had a decent rader and a BVR missle those babies would have kicked @ss
 
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The only way PAF can get the F-15's is through saudi arabia which has F-15S which is a little bit downgarded version ofthe F-15E i bet PAF can purchase those babies through saudia at cheap prices and give em some serious upgrades.......
 
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well i think if paf buy F-15 we can get rid on SU-30 MKI
The USAF has developed an improved radar that provides increased pilot situational awareness and takes full advantage of the capabilities of the AIM-120 advanced medium range air-to-air missile.
Eighteen F-15C aircraft will be modified with an APG-63(v)2 active electronically scanned array radar using APG-63(v)1 radar components.

The new system also includes a new advanced identification friend or foe system and upgrades to the environmental control system. The modified F-15Cs will be stationed at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska, by December 2000.

AESA radar technology is the cornerstone for future Air Force fighters, including the F-22 Raptor and the Joint Strike Fighter. Lessons learned from the deployment and employment of the APG-63(v)2 will help the Air Force better prepare for its next-generation fighter aircraft while helping keep the F-15C the world's best air superiority fighter today. These will be the first operational fighter aircraft AESA radars in the world.

The Air Force will reap additional reliability and maintainability benefits by installing AESA radars. The mechanical scanned antenna in current F-15C aircraft is one of the highest maintenance items on the aircraft. The stationary AESA will eliminate several hydraulic and electrical systems required to support the MSA. The controls, displays and modes for the APG-63(v)2 will be nearly identical to those currently used in the F-15C.

The F-15C APG-63(v)2 aircraft will also have a new, more reliable AIFF system, allowing identification of friendly aircraft via transponder interrogations.

so best F-15 C is also with AESA radar know .so this is a best of the best option for PAF but how can we get?? this is question
 
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Why doesn't the PAF just get AESA radar at a discounted price from the UAE? They helped in the R&D and will be allowed to sell it to who ever they want too. India is getting AESA radar, so Pakistan should get it too.
 
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hmmmmmmmmm what do u think UAE will agrred?huh.......AESA radar technology is the cornerstone for future Air Force fighters, including the F-22 Raptor and the Joint Strike Fighter.what know AESA for F-22 and F-35 and for new future air crafts.so who sell AESA to paf
 
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Originally posted by Viper Z@Nov 20 2005, 06:46 AM
see the graph in that link and judge ur self...

http://www.eurofighter.com/Typhoon/Cost/
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Funny :w00t:

http://www.eurofighter.com/Images/Style/Co...ay%20costs2.gig

Comparative Flyaway Costs

Mission Cost Effectiveness compared to Sukhoi Flanker

The Sukhoi-27 Flanker is the standard by which Western aircraft are measured in the post cold war environment. Only the prohibitively expensive F-22 comes close to matching the Flanker on mission effectiveness, whereas the Eurofighter Typhoon performs better than the remaining aircraft, trumping its rival on cost.

This balances flyaway cost against Air-to-Air mission effectiveness existing or projected aircraft would have to be in the light blue area to provide better value for money than Eurofighter Typhoon.

Comparative flyaway cost

Flyaway cost does not include the cost elements of production investment or logistic support. The chart below demonstrates that Eurofighter Typhoon is demonstrably in front of its next generation and "revamped" competitors.

http://www.eurofighter.com/Images/Style/Co...irdominance.gif
 
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Originally posted by WebMaster@Nov 21 2005, 04:08 AM
Funny 

http://www.eurofighter.com/Images/Style/Co...ay%20costs2.gif

Comparative Flyaway Costs

Mission Cost Effectiveness compared to Sukhoi Flanker

The Sukhoi-27 Flanker is the standard by which Western aircraft are measured in the post cold war environment. Only the prohibitively expensive F-22 comes close to matching the Flanker on mission effectiveness, whereas the Eurofighter Typhoon performs better than the remaining aircraft, trumping its rival on cost.

This balances flyaway cost against Air-to-Air mission effectiveness existing or projected aircraft would have to be in the light blue area to provide better value for money than Eurofighter Typhoon.

Comparative flyaway cost

Flyaway cost does not include the cost elements of production investment or logistic support. The chart below demonstrates that Eurofighter Typhoon is demonstrably in front of its next generation and "revamped" competitors.

http://www.eurofighter.com/Images/Style/Co...irdominance.gif

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wats funny? I don't see any thin funny in this!! is this link, a fake?
 
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Originally posted by Owais@Nov 23 2005, 05:41 AM
wats funny?
I don't see any thin funny in this!!
is this link, a fake?
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No not that it is fake, but i didn't know that Typhoon cost is that low, it is even cheaper than F-15E, but still i wouldn't consider it an accurate source, cause cost mostly depends on many features, devices, and additinal addons.
 
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