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Expanding Pakistan Armed Forces Using Conscription

Such a huge force is only useful against an invasion, which is not the case.

If you are considering a quick take over of Kashmir during the night, that also will not happen with the soldiers constantly positioned there.

A conventional war will change nothing, and could result in catastrophe.

The only solution is to bleed the enemy, and wait for the correct time to strike. The Kashmiris will also have to play their part. Any other solution, would be a gamble.

At least the dialogue facade and propaganda is now out of the way, both inside and outside Kashmir.

In many ways, it's better now.
 
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Pakistan is facing a major crisis. As our honorable Prime Minister, Imran Khan noted, the future is going to bring a fascist Indian state that has to be dealt with, otherwise they will become a bigger and bigger problem.

India has a huge army, with 1.3 million active personnel, and a million more in reserve. Pakistan only has an active force of 600,000. India has far greater resources, allowing better equipment and larger quantities of equipment. Pakistani economy is in shambles and we are not able to match them.

One possible solution is to bring in conscription. Conscription is compulsory service for the state. Many countries use conscription in their armed forces, including countries like Switzerland and Israel. Israel essentially took the Swiss model and developed it according to their own needs. More on that later.

Conscription allows a country with meager resources to field a large army, at minimal cost. It also helps with nation building. Citizen conscription has been used in history from the earliest records of nation states. They were spectacularly used by the Romans to build one of the most successful empires in history.

Here is a short report on what Pakistan could learn from the use of a citizen army by israel:

What Pakistan can Learn from the IDF

Executive Summary

This report gives a short overview of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and what lessons can be learned for Pakistan. The IDF is a hybrid force made up of a professional standing army and a conscript citizen army, being largely the latter. The IDF is an integrated force that can rapidly mobilize its citizen reserves within 24 hours. While the IDF professional service is small, it is composed to a great extent of officers and technically experienced people, to support the citizen army. If Pakistan adopts this strategy to a small extent, it could significantly lower personnel costs, allowing funds to be allocated for modernization and other critical activities. This paper includes a plan that would allow a citizen army of 100,000 to be raised within 5 years. Such a citizen force would not only help national defence, but also help national integration and nation building projects.

Introduction
The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) faces a similar challenge to the Pakistan Army - fighting a significantly larger opponent with limited strategic depth. This paper gives a quick overview of the IDF, particularly features that may be useful for Pakistan to adopt. The IDF is influenced itself both by the professional volunteer-based British Army and the Swiss army, which is a conscript army with a “nation at war” philosophy. In some ways, it is a hybrid of these two concepts.

The IDF has about 6 lac soldiers of whom approximately 18 percent are full-time professionals, similar to the Pakistan armed forces, while the rest are conscript forces that largely serve as reserve. This reserve can be rapidly activated, within 24 hours, and is fully integrated with the professional forces.

Reasons why this structure was chosen by the IDF include the ability to create large forces at low cost, to help national integration and engage in nation building projects using such forces, and to face larger opponents.

Structure of the IDF
The IDF is organized into a single force that includes an air force and a naval force, along with the land forces. This joint and integrated structure, keeps rivalry among the services at a minimum, and helps efficient coordination and integrated joint operations during war.

Pakistan has an Office of Joint Chief of Staff (OJCOS) but this plays a nominal and ceremonial role mainly.

The general staff of the IDF has five branches:

1. Operations

2. Logistics

3. Manpower

4. Intelligence

5. Planning

Operations Branch is responsible for Research & Development, Training and Doctrine and Senior Service School. Manpower is responsible for Personnel Data Processing Systems, Civil Engineers, Military Police, Civilian Education and Youth Scouting (Youth Battalions). The Planning branch controls strategic long-term planning.

The IDF also has a separate Women’s Corps, commanded by a female brigadier general. The IDF attempts to keep women soldiers in duties that are not at the front.

A key characteristic is that both the professional and the conscript forces are intermixed and interchangeable within each of the three commands. The conscript forces are not treated as an addition to the regular forces, but a key component that is well integrated. A total of 82.6 percent of the force is represented by this reserve force, representing 494,000 of the 598,000 forces. In contrast, regular forces are only 104,000. Both Active Component (professional) and Reserve Component (conscript) officers command divisions and brigades.

Method of Conscription
The IDF recruits both men and women for compulsory national service. A nationwide announcement is made by birth date for those who have reached their 18th birthday. Service is 3 years for men and 20 months for women. Conscripts are tested and sorted into 14 classifications. Basic training is done for every recruit, even for those earmarked for the navy and air force.

If they qualify, citizen-soldiers can enter specializations. They may also join elite units on the basis of the same, or for officer candidacy. However, getting such a specialization or placement extends the service term by one year.

To become an officer in the IDF, service as a citizen soldier is a must. Officers are recruited from the best of the conscripts that show talent and willingness. Unlike Pakistan, there are no elite military academies, creating a more even playing field for talent to rise. A striking characteristic of the officers of IDF is their youthfulness.

To get degree educated and technically skilled recruits, the IDF has a separate program to gain college-educated recruits, who can then serve on a wide assortment of specializations, from doctors to scientists. The citizen-soldiers of the IDF continue after their conscription term as reservists who can be activated in case of an emergency. For men, this continues until the age of 55, and for childless women, till 34.

Reservists are called up for 45 days of annual service. However, if they are 39 year old men, or 29 year old women, then this period is dropped to 14 days a year for enlisted soldiers. Reservists are generally assigned to a position near their home and compatible with their specialization (if any).


Reserve soldiers have the following characteristics in the IDF:

1. They may or may not be issued with the latest equipment available

2. They still enter combat alongside the Keva units.

3. Active duty of reserves vary widely depending on the political climate of the region

4. Activities during active duty can vary from training in traditional combat skills to riot control or border patrol. In this sense, it acts similarly to the Pakistani paramilitary forces.

5. IDF reserves helps to assimilate diverse groups of ethnicities. This is one area where Pakistan could benefit from a conscript reserve, particularly regarding ethnic and sectarian differences.

6. The minimum time required in peacetime is 45 days of duty for the Reserve

7. IDF also has a paramilitary youth scouting section

8. A social-welfare program to take slum dwellers and gang leaders, and educate and train them

The Professional Service
While less than 20 percent of the fighting force, the IDF maintains a professional army alongside its citizen-soldiers. 16,000 in number, they are primarily officers, with some soldiers and specialists. Professional service soldiers occupy senior and key operational command positions as well as command all installations and schools. They also maintain the equipment and facilities needed for the reserve units to rapidly activate.

Some Best Practices from the IDF
Best practices of IDF, according to Charles E. Heller:

1. Acceptance and practice of a Total Army concept

2. Flow-through system (active to reserve service)

3. Enlisted service required prior to commissioning

4. National Service

5. Significant equipment modernization through modification

6. Peacetime missions that are domestic nation building in nature

7. Joint organizational structure of the IDF

8. Youthful senior officer leadership

9. Brigade as the basic building block of the Army’s force structure

Some Additional Salient of the IDF
Overseas Israelis are often instantly called back in event of war. They are also trained and organized for propaganda, and for social media. This includes a smart phone App that allows them to be directed to time-sensitive and critical social and political events.

Pakistan Army lacks a dedicated Airborne/Air Assault force composed of Regular Infantry units, which could augment Special Forces (SF) like SSG in their operations. Even though the Pakistan Army boasts 5 lac+ troops, there is no Paratroop Brigade composed of Para-infantry units. Both IDF and Indian Army maintain Para troop brigades apart from SF units. Pakistan Army may face difficulty in setting up such a brigade due to lack of transport aircraft as well as transport helicopters.

IDF is instrumental in employing its Air Force in every conflict it enters. IAF’s inventory includes world’s best aircraft such as F-15, F-16 and F-35. These are all 4th and 5th generation aircraft. For a small country like Israel, IDF deems it necessary to employ 300+ fighter aircrafts in it inventory. PAF on the other hand still flies a mix of 3rd and 4th generation aircrafts, many of which are slated for retirement. The airframes have outlived their service life and the avionics is considered only satisfactory, not top notch, such as induction of FLIR, AESA Radars, HOBS missiles etc. PAF also lacks a long range deep strike aircraft apart from a stealth aircraft, which could give edge to PAF over the Indian Air Force.

IDF is supplemented for weapons and weaponry from its thriving defence industry such IAI, Soltam etc. Israel has more than 150 defence related firms to support IDF. The avionics of IAF F-16’s have been upgraded by local companies. IAF designed Lavi fighter program and IDF introduced Merkava MBT long before Pakistani JF-17 fighter and Al-Khalid MBT came into existence. A lot of components used in JF-17 and Al-Khalid are imported from China or other companies. Pakistan Military establishment should increase R&D in all sectors of defence, not just a few selected departments.

IDF has a permanent military supplier in the form of USA. Same could be said about China for Pakistan but Pakistani Military has a diverse range of suppliers such as China, France, Ukraine, Russia, Turkey, Italy etc. In all major wars, IDF has instantly received reinforcements from USA to replace losses in equipment with almost exactly the same equipment that IDF has trained it soldiers on. Since Pakistan employs a diverse range of weapons for all three services from different suppliers, therefore to accomplish this, Pakistani Military needs to move towards closer interoperability with its allies such as China and Turkey. For this it has to develop a long-term plan for its standards, logistics, design, manufacturing and purchasing decisions.

What this Means for Pakistan
If Pakistan adopts a mixed professional and citizen army, it can lower costs while increasing the capacity to meet a larger and better funded opponent. It can also help with national integration and in implementing nation-building projects. Moving from a purely professional force, Pakistan would be able to move towards a “nation at war” concept.

General Kayani noted that 75% of the armed forces budget goes to salaries and related operational expenses. This means that Pakistan barely has the money for proper equipment and training, and meaningful research and development. In addition, it has even less margin for constant military operations.

A Potential Solution
Based on the IDF, Pakistan could adopt a citizen army to supplement its professional armed forces. Pakistan Army presently has about 30 divisions, with about 560,000 active soldiers. Conscription could either replace some of the professional divisions, or supplement them. Conscript divisions could also be assigned to nation building projects in peacetime.

One solution could be along the following lines. A program (“Program A”) to enlist 10,000 conscript youth as citizen-soldiers bi-annually could be started, with an active conscription term being for 1 year. This would be conscripted from all matriculating students. Some basic and minimal remuneration would be paid, along with various benefits.

A second bi-annual conscription of all degree graduates (“Program B”), equal to 1500 conscripts, could each serve a 1 year term. Both conscript categories could later serve as reserve soldiers, with mandatory 30 days of active duty per year. If we assume the annual attrition rate to be 3%, this would create approximately a conscript reserve army of 100,000 soldiers within 5 years, equal to approximately 20 brigades.

Conclusion
With India spending an ever larger defense budget and rapidly modernizing its armed forces, and Pakistan now facing a threat from multiple axis, it is important for Pakistan to look for alternative solutions to the structure inherited from the British. At the same time, to galvanize and unite the nation, and to integrate our society from a nation of distinct groups to citizens of Pakistan, a platform is needed for social engineering. Finally, we can utilize a conscript citizen-soldier force for a wide variety of defense, security and civilian tasks, ranging from border control to nation-building projects. Pakistan has a lot of human resources, and the longer they stay under-utilized, the greater the chance for its misuse. With that hope, it would be a positive utilization of our human resources if we build a citizen-army on the lines of not only Israel, but of nascent Rome.

@Irfan Baloch
Iran and Egypt also had conscription in place. Pakistan should have started this practice from 1947, since we always knew we were going to be at war with a large army. This was another mistake by PA.

Such a huge force is only useful against an invasion, which is not the case.

If you are considering a quick take over of Kashmir during the night, that also will not happen with the soldiers constantly positioned there.

A conventional war will change nothing, and could result in catastrophe.

The only solution is to bleed the enemy, and wait for the correct time to strike. The Kashmiris will also have to play their part. Any other solution, would be a gamble.

At least the dialogue facade and propaganda is now out of the way, both inside and outside Kashmir.

In many ways, it's better now.
Where is the propaganda wing? Why does PA lack so behind in propaganda? Its shameful at how mismanaged the whole propaganda system is. A competent force would have done wonders right now, but alas.
 
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Hi,
Yemen was the free opportunity that we had to build a massive strike force---. We could have placed 150 K troops at enemy's flanks---navy frigates and an air force independent of mainland pakistan's air force---.

And this force all trained in actual combat and ready to face action anywhere---.

We need a solution here and now. Bygones are bygones. We don't have a time machine to go back in time to fix our errors.
Right now.
We are making decisions that could save the lives and honor of millions of people.
 
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Another dumb thread opened by emotional Pakistanis. Conscription will cost us a lot and is useless when we have such a huge pool of volunteers. Unless we’re being attacked, there’s no need for it.
On the other hand, I do agree that each and every person in Pakistan should be given basic self defense training as they were in the early year. Introduce it at Matric and FSc level but make it optional. At the same time give it a grade and extra marks. Like this most people will join up anyways. There won’t be people crying that it’s mandatory, and our people will get basic training.
But full in conscription for this country is far beyond useless. Especially considering that if there’s a war everyone will sign up anyways. Don’t let your emotions cloud common sense. Thanks.
 
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Indian mil is good on big ticket shiny toys. It lacks in proper skillset, leadership and training. Some of their things are simply perfect, others are absolute shit. The standard issue loadout of Indian soldier is sub par compared to Pakistan.
 
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Indian mil is good on big ticket shiny toys. It lacks in proper skillset, leadership and training. Some of their things are simply perfect, others are absolute shit. The standard issue loadout of Indian soldier is sub par compared to Pakistan.
I agree. They have too many numbers to arm and feed. We’ve seen their own complain about how they don’t have proper food or equipment. I can easily bet some don’t even have helmets and vests.
This was an issue with our military too up until 2014. But now even our paramilitaries always have the proper gear. Size isn’t everything. Since both the countries have similar economical status in this regard, it is expected that a larger military will be ill equipped and ill trained as compared to a smaller one.
Also, India hasn’t been fighting much at all. On the other hand our militaries and paramilitaries have been actively engaged for 2 decades. Hence they needed to be armed and equipped. That also translates directly to experience.
But all of this in no way means India is a pushover. They still have a huge military. And a great part of it is equally trained and equipped. Maybe that is the balancing point.
 
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Where is the propaganda wing? Why does PA lack so behind in propaganda? Its shameful at how mismanaged the whole propaganda system is. A competent force would have done wonders right now, but alas.

The Indian government has an active media wing that sets aside huge funds for government advertising initiatives, and it has been actively cutting advertising revenue to news outlets that do not toe its propaganda line. As most media outlets around the world also rely on advertising revenue, India's large population can adversely affect revenue if the they don't also follow the expected line on certain issues.

Pakistan doesn't have that sort of clout for propaganda with the media, and its recent move to multi alignment makes things more complicated. Even Russia and China suffer in that regard. However, the western world is extensively fed the freedom narrative, and even India can't challenge that completely.

That said, propaganda has very little scope outside singular narrative environments like the western world and very large countries. Other places have become immune to propaganda due to having been adversely affected over the years.

We can just let the freedom vs advertising revenue narrative play out in the west for now, since India's latest move will be seen to be anti freedom.
 
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Should open enlistment for Kashmiri Youth Special Batallion to Liberate Indian Occupied Kashmir

Aim should be to raise force about 2 Million Kashmiri Soldiers from Kashmiri Bloodline
Open Enlistment of Youth from Indian Administered Kashmir , give them Pakistani Passport and then give the full Training and assignment to liberate their Homeland
 
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No Pakistan, doesn't already recruit from every 100 students for the Mujahid force.

Israel being small isn't the only reason why it has conscription. You have to take your potential foes into account. Pakistan faces a country of 1.2 billion with a massive military. Comparatively we are 5 times smaller and thus should have a national requirement to serve in the defense forces. If you want to bring religion into it, then the Prophet (PBUH) has commanded the muslims to be trained in military skills.

Pakistani conscription would also be useful for national cohesion, discipline and unity given our diverse backgrounds. For those concerned about having a population of trained potential terrorists, this is the main opportunity where you can indoctrinate, train and motivate the populace to be disciplined and have a pro Pakistan mindset and follow the national narrative. We already have hundreds of private militias already in Pakistan who serve special interests of either religious groups or vaderas or sardars. I would much rather have a national program training the populace with National values and interests in mind.

I'm all for such a program as that would also alleviate the sense of deprivation amongst other provinces who claim that the Army is purely a Punjabi dominated institution.

When it comes to funding something like this, it shouldn't be an issue. Egypt has a mandatory requirement and their budget isn't sky high either. If they can do it why can't we? Better yet, why not have the individual partially pay for it like a semi private college setup?

In the end a nation should have a well trained, disciplined populace to defend Pakistan especially in case of an invasion from India (or even the US) than depend on a few lakhs individuals with perks who are mainly in for the salary and headed by a number of soft paper pushing Generals who are used to their 5 star lavish lifestyles and who haven't seen a major war in 40+ years.
 
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Pakistan is facing a major crisis. As our honorable Prime Minister, Imran Khan noted, the future is going to bring a fascist Indian state that has to be dealt with, otherwise they will become a bigger and bigger problem.



India has a huge army, with 1.3 million active personnel, and a million more in reserve. Pakistan only has an active force of 600,000. India has far greater resources, allowing better equipment and larger quantities of equipment. Pakistani economy is in shambles and we are not able to match them.

One possible solution is to bring in conscription. Conscription is compulsory service for the state. Many countries use conscription in their armed forces, including countries like Switzerland and Israel. Israel essentially took the Swiss model and developed it according to their own needs. More on that later.

Conscription allows a country with meager resources to field a large army, at minimal cost. It also helps with nation building. Citizen conscription has been used in history from the earliest records of nation states. They were spectacularly used by the Romans to build one of the most successful empires in history.

Here is a short report on what Pakistan could learn from the use of a citizen army by israel:

What Pakistan can Learn from the IDF

Executive Summary

This report gives a short overview of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and what lessons can be learned for Pakistan. The IDF is a hybrid force made up of a professional standing army and a conscript citizen army, being largely the latter. The IDF is an integrated force that can rapidly mobilize its citizen reserves within 24 hours. While the IDF professional service is small, it is composed to a great extent of officers and technically experienced people, to support the citizen army. If Pakistan adopts this strategy to a small extent, it could significantly lower personnel costs, allowing funds to be allocated for modernization and other critical activities. This paper includes a plan that would allow a citizen army of 100,000 to be raised within 5 years. Such a citizen force would not only help national defence, but also help national integration and nation building projects.

Introduction
The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) faces a similar challenge to the Pakistan Army - fighting a significantly larger opponent with limited strategic depth. This paper gives a quick overview of the IDF, particularly features that may be useful for Pakistan to adopt. The IDF is influenced itself both by the professional volunteer-based British Army and the Swiss army, which is a conscript army with a “nation at war” philosophy. In some ways, it is a hybrid of these two concepts.

The IDF has about 6 lac soldiers of whom approximately 18 percent are full-time professionals, similar to the Pakistan armed forces, while the rest are conscript forces that largely serve as reserve. This reserve can be rapidly activated, within 24 hours, and is fully integrated with the professional forces.

Reasons why this structure was chosen by the IDF include the ability to create large forces at low cost, to help national integration and engage in nation building projects using such forces, and to face larger opponents.

Structure of the IDF
The IDF is organized into a single force that includes an air force and a naval force, along with the land forces. This joint and integrated structure, keeps rivalry among the services at a minimum, and helps efficient coordination and integrated joint operations during war.

Pakistan has an Office of Joint Chief of Staff (OJCOS) but this plays a nominal and ceremonial role mainly.

The general staff of the IDF has five branches:

1. Operations

2. Logistics

3. Manpower

4. Intelligence

5. Planning

Operations Branch is responsible for Research & Development, Training and Doctrine and Senior Service School. Manpower is responsible for Personnel Data Processing Systems, Civil Engineers, Military Police, Civilian Education and Youth Scouting (Youth Battalions). The Planning branch controls strategic long-term planning.

The IDF also has a separate Women’s Corps, commanded by a female brigadier general. The IDF attempts to keep women soldiers in duties that are not at the front.

A key characteristic is that both the professional and the conscript forces are intermixed and interchangeable within each of the three commands. The conscript forces are not treated as an addition to the regular forces, but a key component that is well integrated. A total of 82.6 percent of the force is represented by this reserve force, representing 494,000 of the 598,000 forces. In contrast, regular forces are only 104,000. Both Active Component (professional) and Reserve Component (conscript) officers command divisions and brigades.

Method of Conscription
The IDF recruits both men and women for compulsory national service. A nationwide announcement is made by birth date for those who have reached their 18th birthday. Service is 3 years for men and 20 months for women. Conscripts are tested and sorted into 14 classifications. Basic training is done for every recruit, even for those earmarked for the navy and air force.

If they qualify, citizen-soldiers can enter specializations. They may also join elite units on the basis of the same, or for officer candidacy. However, getting such a specialization or placement extends the service term by one year.

To become an officer in the IDF, service as a citizen soldier is a must. Officers are recruited from the best of the conscripts that show talent and willingness. Unlike Pakistan, there are no elite military academies, creating a more even playing field for talent to rise. A striking characteristic of the officers of IDF is their youthfulness.

To get degree educated and technically skilled recruits, the IDF has a separate program to gain college-educated recruits, who can then serve on a wide assortment of specializations, from doctors to scientists. The citizen-soldiers of the IDF continue after their conscription term as reservists who can be activated in case of an emergency. For men, this continues until the age of 55, and for childless women, till 34.

Reservists are called up for 45 days of annual service. However, if they are 39 year old men, or 29 year old women, then this period is dropped to 14 days a year for enlisted soldiers. Reservists are generally assigned to a position near their home and compatible with their specialization (if any).


Reserve soldiers have the following characteristics in the IDF:

1. They may or may not be issued with the latest equipment available

2. They still enter combat alongside the Keva units.

3. Active duty of reserves vary widely depending on the political climate of the region

4. Activities during active duty can vary from training in traditional combat skills to riot control or border patrol. In this sense, it acts similarly to the Pakistani paramilitary forces.

5. IDF reserves helps to assimilate diverse groups of ethnicities. This is one area where Pakistan could benefit from a conscript reserve, particularly regarding ethnic and sectarian differences.

6. The minimum time required in peacetime is 45 days of duty for the Reserve

7. IDF also has a paramilitary youth scouting section

8. A social-welfare program to take slum dwellers and gang leaders, and educate and train them

The Professional Service
While less than 20 percent of the fighting force, the IDF maintains a professional army alongside its citizen-soldiers. 16,000 in number, they are primarily officers, with some soldiers and specialists. Professional service soldiers occupy senior and key operational command positions as well as command all installations and schools. They also maintain the equipment and facilities needed for the reserve units to rapidly activate.

Some Best Practices from the IDF
Best practices of IDF, according to Charles E. Heller:

1. Acceptance and practice of a Total Army concept

2. Flow-through system (active to reserve service)

3. Enlisted service required prior to commissioning

4. National Service

5. Significant equipment modernization through modification

6. Peacetime missions that are domestic nation building in nature

7. Joint organizational structure of the IDF

8. Youthful senior officer leadership

9. Brigade as the basic building block of the Army’s force structure

Some Additional Salient of the IDF
Overseas Israelis are often instantly called back in event of war. They are also trained and organized for propaganda, and for social media. This includes a smart phone App that allows them to be directed to time-sensitive and critical social and political events.

Pakistan Army lacks a dedicated Airborne/Air Assault force composed of Regular Infantry units, which could augment Special Forces (SF) like SSG in their operations. Even though the Pakistan Army boasts 5 lac+ troops, there is no Paratroop Brigade composed of Para-infantry units. Both IDF and Indian Army maintain Para troop brigades apart from SF units. Pakistan Army may face difficulty in setting up such a brigade due to lack of transport aircraft as well as transport helicopters.

IDF is instrumental in employing its Air Force in every conflict it enters. IAF’s inventory includes world’s best aircraft such as F-15, F-16 and F-35. These are all 4th and 5th generation aircraft. For a small country like Israel, IDF deems it necessary to employ 300+ fighter aircrafts in it inventory. PAF on the other hand still flies a mix of 3rd and 4th generation aircrafts, many of which are slated for retirement. The airframes have outlived their service life and the avionics is considered only satisfactory, not top notch, such as induction of FLIR, AESA Radars, HOBS missiles etc. PAF also lacks a long range deep strike aircraft apart from a stealth aircraft, which could give edge to PAF over the Indian Air Force.

IDF is supplemented for weapons and weaponry from its thriving defence industry such IAI, Soltam etc. Israel has more than 150 defence related firms to support IDF. The avionics of IAF F-16’s have been upgraded by local companies. IAF designed Lavi fighter program and IDF introduced Merkava MBT long before Pakistani JF-17 fighter and Al-Khalid MBT came into existence. A lot of components used in JF-17 and Al-Khalid are imported from China or other companies. Pakistan Military establishment should increase R&D in all sectors of defence, not just a few selected departments.

IDF has a permanent military supplier in the form of USA. Same could be said about China for Pakistan but Pakistani Military has a diverse range of suppliers such as China, France, Ukraine, Russia, Turkey, Italy etc. In all major wars, IDF has instantly received reinforcements from USA to replace losses in equipment with almost exactly the same equipment that IDF has trained it soldiers on. Since Pakistan employs a diverse range of weapons for all three services from different suppliers, therefore to accomplish this, Pakistani Military needs to move towards closer interoperability with its allies such as China and Turkey. For this it has to develop a long-term plan for its standards, logistics, design, manufacturing and purchasing decisions.

What this Means for Pakistan
If Pakistan adopts a mixed professional and citizen army, it can lower costs while increasing the capacity to meet a larger and better funded opponent. It can also help with national integration and in implementing nation-building projects. Moving from a purely professional force, Pakistan would be able to move towards a “nation at war” concept.

General Kayani noted that 75% of the armed forces budget goes to salaries and related operational expenses. This means that Pakistan barely has the money for proper equipment and training, and meaningful research and development. In addition, it has even less margin for constant military operations.

A Potential Solution
Based on the IDF, Pakistan could adopt a citizen army to supplement its professional armed forces. Pakistan Army presently has about 30 divisions, with about 560,000 active soldiers. Conscription could either replace some of the professional divisions, or supplement them. Conscript divisions could also be assigned to nation building projects in peacetime.

One solution could be along the following lines. A program (“Program A”) to enlist 10,000 conscript youth as citizen-soldiers bi-annually could be started, with an active conscription term being for 1 year. This would be conscripted from all matriculating students. Some basic and minimal remuneration would be paid, along with various benefits.

A second bi-annual conscription of all degree graduates (“Program B”), equal to 1500 conscripts, could each serve a 1 year term. Both conscript categories could later serve as reserve soldiers, with mandatory 30 days of active duty per year. If we assume the annual attrition rate to be 3%, this would create approximately a conscript reserve army of 100,000 soldiers within 5 years, equal to approximately 20 brigades.

Conclusion
With India spending an ever larger defense budget and rapidly modernizing its armed forces, and Pakistan now facing a threat from multiple axis, it is important for Pakistan to look for alternative solutions to the structure inherited from the British. At the same time, to galvanize and unite the nation, and to integrate our society from a nation of distinct groups to citizens of Pakistan, a platform is needed for social engineering. Finally, we can utilize a conscript citizen-soldier force for a wide variety of defense, security and civilian tasks, ranging from border control to nation-building projects. Pakistan has a lot of human resources, and the longer they stay under-utilized, the greater the chance for its misuse. With that hope, it would be a positive utilization of our human resources if we build a citizen-army on the lines of not only Israel, but of nascent Rome.

@Irfan Baloch

If you plan to go war in a year let’s just say sep 2020 then start conscription now .. make sure to provide medium and heavy Calibre arms with it ..example

1) 1 Million conscription, out of it
2) 750 thousand with 7.62 Calibre weapons,
3) 100 thousand with heavy machine guns 12.7mm
4) 100 thousand with Anti tank weapons
5) 50 thousand with Manpads

Weapons

1) 5 Million assault rifles 7.62
2) 500 Mill 7.62 bullets
3) 500 thousand 12.7 machine guns
4) 500 thousand anti tank weapons
5) 250 thousand MaNPads

1:5 ratio of man and weapon with 50 Division of heavily armed troops.


Can you take Kashmir in 1 month ?
 
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I'd be happy we we can start conscription now and get even 100K extra soldiers. Get used equipment from the world over to arm them into infantry brigades. Anything we can grab from Chinese old stock, Eastern Europe, Italy, Russia, USA, wherever we can.

@Irfan Baloch this thread is on your request.
 
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A disciplined, well trained smaller army is much better than a massive conscripted and ill trained army. Where morale is low and skill minimal, defeat is almost certain regardless of numbers.
 
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A disciplined, well trained smaller army is much better than a massive conscripted and ill trained army. Where morale is low and skill minimal, defeat is almost certain regardless of numbers.

I guess the duffers in the Swiss and Israeli armies just didn't have you to advise them. Damn, I wonder how the Roman empire was built? Must have been they got lucky.
 
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We need a solution here and now. Bygones are bygones. We don't have a time machine to go back in time to fix our errors.
Right now.
We are making decisions that could save the lives and honor of millions of people.

Hi,

There are no solutions now---other than die---or you have to sign for alliance with the GCC and commit to it---and re-visit china---.

Fortunes of nations are built on times when you have lesser threats on your mainland---.

That is what the problem with Pakistan has been---.

In good times---they strut around like peacocks---now listen to their screams---.

Go make firm alliance with the GCC---that will relieve some pressure---.
 
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Kashmir has 12 million people and even 1 Million to 2 Million Pro Pakistan residents means a total victory for Pakistan

Humans when put thru extra ordinary situation learn to hold the gun in 20 minutes they just need to know how to hold the weapon and how to fire
 
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