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Exclusive: Tejas may create history with flying demo at Bahrain air show

The project started in 80's and still we are talking about participating in its first air show. It has already created history in 'Laziest development'. If you can't fly a plane in 30 years, you better not defend it atleast with utmost 'besharmi'.

If it's the 1st airshow then, you need to spend some more time on positive stuff......

Anyways which is the 5th nation in pipeline buying JF17 ... which is technically still a prototype.. :cheesy:
 
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This is your cheap Chinese made bird, that's what happens when you induct birds that aren't fully tested yet

Nuff Said.

Then What would you say about these??

Indian Dumb Logic Spotted

SU-30 MIG21 Jaguar C-130 Heli's Grow up kiddo
59 jets lost in 3 years by IAF :D :D




 
Then What would you say about these??

Indian Dumb Logic Spotted

SU-30 MIG21 Jaguar C-130 Heli's Grow up kiddo
59 jets lost in 3 years by IAF :D :D





Kiddo compare with the loss of atridition on the basis of flying hours. You need the answer here it is

1. Intense Training The IAF is one of the few air forces in the world that conduct intense, year-round training. Benjamin Lambeth of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace says the IAF trains for a "high intensity, high stakes" conflict. Keeping in mind the possibility of a two-front war, the IAF puts its pilots and aircraft through the wringer.

Mock air combat can involve hundreds of aircraft flying thousands of kilometres. During such a war game in 2013, Sukhois flew 1800-km bombing missions from Chabua in Assam to the western front, with mid-air refuelling. In fact, IAF pilots are known to lead missions over 10 hours in their Sukhois.

Such training places a great deal of stress on aircraft, pilots and air crews, which means potentially more accidents. But that’s the way the IAF trains for war. In fact, a former air force chief has gone on record that he would rather lose pilots during training than during war.

The strategy has been amply rewarded. In the 1971 War, for instance, the IAF was able to conduct a wide range of missions – troop support; air combat; deep penetration strikes; para-dropping behind enemy lines; feints to draw enemy fighters away from the actual target; bombing; and reconnaissance.

In contrast, the Pakistan Air Force, which was solely focused on air combat, was blown out of the subcontinent’s skies within the first week of the war. Those PAF aircraft that survived took refuge at Iranian air bases or in concrete bunkers, refusing to offer a fight.

2. Harsh environment
Harsh is normal in India. Tropical India is an unforgiving environment for any aircraft. The hot air means aircraft engines produce less thrust and the wing produce less lift compared to similar aircraft flying in European skies. Sun baked runways are also known to impact landing safety. These are factors IAF pilots have to live with.

Bird hits are another huge factor in aircraft accidents over India. The IAF attributes around 10 per cent of accidents to bird hits. Most IAF bases are located near populated areas, where birds are a constant menace.

The situation has got so dire that the IAF last year issued global bids to four companies for 45 bird detection and monitoring radar systems to be installed at airports and air bases across India.

3 Missing trainers
According to figures released by the Ministry of Defence in March 2013, the IAF was losing the equivalent of one fighter squadron (approximately 18 fighters) in accidents every two years. This was primarily because of the lack of adequate number of trainers.

Rookie fighter pilots begin on basic trainers, then move on to intermediate jet trainers (IJTs) before finally graduating to advanced jet trainers (AJTs). These three stages are critical elements of fighter pilot training and any shortcuts will certainly lead to disaster.

But what was happening was that in the absence of an AJT, rookie pilots were moving straight from the IJT to frontline warplanes such as the MiG-21. The upshot – young pilots died at an alarming rate.

With the induction of the Swiss Pilatus basic trainer and Hawk AJT from Britain, the crashes have come down – but not stopped.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The good news is that aircraft crashes in the IAF have shown a declining trend over the last three years. From a high of 30 in fiscal 2011-12, they declined to six in 2012-13 and an equal number in 2013-14.


The IAF is now looking to improve overall fleet serviceability. The air force recently told a parliamentary committee that fleet-wide serviceability stood at 60-65 per cent, but could be increased to 77-80 per cent, provided spares were made available.

During a visit to Bangalore in December, IAF chief ACM Arup Raha said: “Budgets remain a constraint, especially the revenue budget, to maintain spares for the aircraft to maintain high operational readiness.”
 
Kiddo compare with the loss of atridition on the basis of flying hours. You need the answer here it is

1. Intense Training The IAF is one of the few air forces in the world that conduct intense, year-round training. Benjamin Lambeth of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace says the IAF trains for a "high intensity, high stakes" conflict. Keeping in mind the possibility of a two-front war, the IAF puts its pilots and aircraft through the wringer.

Mock air combat can involve hundreds of aircraft flying thousands of kilometres. During such a war game in 2013, Sukhois flew 1800-km bombing missions from Chabua in Assam to the western front, with mid-air refuelling. In fact, IAF pilots are known to lead missions over 10 hours in their Sukhois.

Such training places a great deal of stress on aircraft, pilots and air crews, which means potentially more accidents. But that’s the way the IAF trains for war. In fact, a former air force chief has gone on record that he would rather lose pilots during training than during war.

The strategy has been amply rewarded. In the 1971 War, for instance, the IAF was able to conduct a wide range of missions – troop support; air combat; deep penetration strikes; para-dropping behind enemy lines; feints to draw enemy fighters away from the actual target; bombing; and reconnaissance.

In contrast, the Pakistan Air Force, which was solely focused on air combat, was blown out of the subcontinent’s skies within the first week of the war. Those PAF aircraft that survived took refuge at Iranian air bases or in concrete bunkers, refusing to offer a fight.

2. Harsh environment
Harsh is normal in India. Tropical India is an unforgiving environment for any aircraft. The hot air means aircraft engines produce less thrust and the wing produce less lift compared to similar aircraft flying in European skies. Sun baked runways are also known to impact landing safety. These are factors IAF pilots have to live with.

Bird hits are another huge factor in aircraft accidents over India. The IAF attributes around 10 per cent of accidents to bird hits. Most IAF bases are located near populated areas, where birds are a constant menace.

The situation has got so dire that the IAF last year issued global bids to four companies for 45 bird detection and monitoring radar systems to be installed at airports and air bases across India.

3 Missing trainers
According to figures released by the Ministry of Defence in March 2013, the IAF was losing the equivalent of one fighter squadron (approximately 18 fighters) in accidents every two years. This was primarily because of the lack of adequate number of trainers.

Rookie fighter pilots begin on basic trainers, then move on to intermediate jet trainers (IJTs) before finally graduating to advanced jet trainers (AJTs). These three stages are critical elements of fighter pilot training and any shortcuts will certainly lead to disaster.

But what was happening was that in the absence of an AJT, rookie pilots were moving straight from the IJT to frontline warplanes such as the MiG-21. The upshot – young pilots died at an alarming rate.

With the induction of the Swiss Pilatus basic trainer and Hawk AJT from Britain, the crashes have come down – but not stopped.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The good news is that aircraft crashes in the IAF have shown a declining trend over the last three years. From a high of 30 in fiscal 2011-12, they declined to six in 2012-13 and an equal number in 2013-14.


The IAF is now looking to improve overall fleet serviceability. The air force recently told a parliamentary committee that fleet-wide serviceability stood at 60-65 per cent, but could be increased to 77-80 per cent, provided spares were made available.

During a visit to Bangalore in December, IAF chief ACM Arup Raha said: “Budgets remain a constraint, especially the revenue budget, to maintain spares for the aircraft to maintain high operational readiness.”

Intense Training? They Crashed Newly bought C-130 so give a rest to your pilots? why train them so hard that they are crashing expensive jets all year round or IAF is a huge force you could send different pilots to send to train in each exercise but still Sukhoi Jaguars MiG's etc are falling from skies...

If you guys can spend billions on getting new planes get some trainers to wit few billions
 
Intense Training? They Crashed Newly bought C-130 so give a rest to your pilots? why train them so hard that they are crashing expensive jets all year round or IAF is a huge force you could send different pilots to send to train in each exercise but still Sukhoi Jaguars MiG's etc are falling from skies...

Are you insane, an accident of one C-130 does not reflect the IAF inefficiency. BTW that was human errror and it may be due to relatively new plane. IAF is among the airforce whose pilots makes lot of time practicing in air. MKI pilots make more than 350 hours. These types of intense training is not free, baby, and lot of money is needed for fuel, maintainace and since your Airforce is cash strapped, so your pilot log less flying hours as compared to IAF.

Most of the Accident was the MIG-21FL and MIG-21M which was used as the trainer and the pilots were rookie pilots.

Here is the list of Summary of estimates of the Indian Air Force active aircraft fleet*

Combat Aircraft - Air Superiority 408(Incl 36 Trainers)
Ground Attack 291 (Incl 33 Trainers)
Second Line Combat Aircraft -
Helicopters 359
Transport Aircraft 247
Trainers 215
TOTAL 1451

No. of Aircraft is very high as compare to yours and log more flying hours.

If you guys can spend billions on getting new planes get some trainers to wit few billions

IAF have Basis Trainer, Intermediate Trainer, and Advance Trainer Program,

And the accidents was due to the lack of Advance Trainer -- With AJT HACK the accidents have dooped down.
 
Then What would you say about these??

Indian Dumb Logic Spotted

SU-30 MIG21 Jaguar C-130 Heli's Grow up kiddo
59 jets lost in 3 years by IAF :D :D





None of these are indigenous, all MKI crashes so far have been identified to OEM related defects originating from Sukhoi most of these issues are already rectified, C-130J was pilot error but the JF-17 was a technical glitch.
 
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