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Exclusive: In Kargil War, India Was Minutes Away From Bombing Pak Bases

:lol: man you are funny.

Touch India and your balls will explode on your face :-)...On a serious note...look at India's defence budget, manpower, equipment, technology, economy and compare that with your country. In most cases, India is 7 to 8 time larger than yours. 10 Hindus equal to 1 Muslims may look good as anecdotes not in real life.
You are a much larger nation than us yet we fought you to a standstill in 65, your commanders were dreaming of Lahore, DREAM ON. Now let us look how you have performed against a slightly larger nation in 1962, you were completely and utterly humiliated :lol::omghaha: but that is not something new, you have been humiliated over a period of a 1000 years by Islamic rulers, since smiling Buddha you have gained a bit of self esteem, start a full scale war with us then make no mistake about it, Panipat will feel like a schoolyard scuffle.
 
Pakistan has always punched well above its weight

We have pushed our defence budget and frankly speaking pakistan has pulled rabbit trick after rabbit trick out of the hat to ensure a lethal offensive capability.
Everything from cruise missiles to jet fightets to TWNs to subs

The indian military is well aware of the consequences of pushing Pakistan too far even if indian fan boys arent




am not sure punched or get punched? oh are you referring 1971 ... oh no madam calm down... you should feel proud for starting all wars regardless of outcome... try and try until ...
 
Like i said any terrorist that has threated Pakistan has been destroyed. That is why there is a calm since 2015. Lashkar e jhangvi has been dismantled mostly and its head malik ishaq was killed by police this year. Same goes for hizb e tehreer or any other group . I know it saddens you to see u come out of turnoil but your rats have ran away to afghanistan leaving their people to be destroyed by Pakistan army. PK is now one of the very few countries in the world who has overcome an insurgency completely. FATA and all the way to shawal is under army control.

Meanwhile you should worry about your countless insurgencies in north - east.



India has been plagued by terrorism much longer than Pakistan. During 80's , 90's every year thousands of indians were killed while we had zero casualities. It wasn't untill 2008 that india became more safe. The way it is going soon next year or the year after that we will become more safer than you again.
Lol.Zero Casualties, my foot!
Pakistan had hundreds of casualties in 80s in border areas during Soviet war in Afghanistan.
Karachi literally burned in the 90s with 3000 dead in 1995 alone as Pakistan blamed RAW for Karachi violence

I am not even bringing in Baloch separatism of 70s which caused thousands of deaths.

There were also several bomb blast in Pakistan in 90s.
 
You are a much larger nation than us yet we fought you to a standstill in 65, your commanders were dreaming of Lahore, DREAM ON. Now let us look how you have performed against a slightly larger nation in 1962, you were completely and utterly humiliated :lol::omghaha: but that is not something new, you have been humiliated over a period of a 1000 years by Islamic rulers, since smiling Buddha you have gained a bit of self esteem, start a full scale war with us then make no mistake about it, Panipat will feel like a schoolyard scuffle.

Keep your nonsense to yourself. And thank your god that India is a peaceful country. If India were to have Chinese type mentality than you would have known what bloody neighbourhood means .
 
You are a much larger nation than us yet we fought you to a standstill in 65, your commanders were dreaming of Lahore, DREAM ON. Now let us look how you have performed against a slightly larger nation in 1962, you were completely and utterly humiliated :lol::omghaha: but that is not something new, you have been humiliated over a period of a 1000 years by Islamic rulers, since smiling Buddha you have gained a bit of self esteem, start a full scale war with us then make no mistake about it, Panipat will feel like a schoolyard scuffle.

Rofl.It was you guys who have been humiliated by Islamic invaders.You guys pissed your pants so much that you guys changed your religion to Islam.

82.5% of Indians still follow religions indigenous to subcontinent and not a foreign religion unlike you guys.
 
Lol.Zero Casualties, my foot!
Pakistan had hundreds of casualties in 80s in border areas during Soviet war in Afghanistan.
Karachi literally burned in the 90s with 3000 dead in 1995 alone as Pakistan blamed RAW for Karachi violence

I am not even bringing in Baloch separatism of 70s which caused thousands of deaths.

There were also several bomb blast in Pakistan in 90s.

I am talking about bomb blasts. Those were rare in Pakistan during 80s and 90s while India had them longer than Pakistan ,that is why terrorism related death figures in Pakistan are given from 2003 and India 's figure are from 90's when thousands died.
 
This all because it is feed into your head, from the Childhood Man.

Overall score LOLZ, First with the element of surprise PAF hit IAF planes on the ground.

Second PAF flows defencive sorties and A2A sorties More than Close area support.

Third let your brain think wisely that the attacking IAF planes in Pakistani airspace would be loaded with fuel and amunition load heavily and the PAF planes which are lightly loaded, which one will have the advantage of maneuravality, speed, and support from ground units and Radars.

Forth Kindly think wisely, the purpose of the Airforce is to fight for the country, and not fight its own war and not to shy away from the airsupport of the Ground forces, and fight only Air Battle for its own Glorry.

Last and not the least, pls tell Pakistani govt, and PAF to release the Gun Camera video of the Famous 5 jets kill in 1 minute claim.

Actually, the first kill was on an intruding IAF plane in the 50's.

Secondly, yes that's true.

Thirdly, you would be entering enemy territory, and our F-16's would toast you. Also, you would have done it if you could have, India never misses an opportunity to try and start violence with Pakistan, unlike us. We could have crushed you whilst you fought a war with China, but we didn't because we aren't violent mongrels like your government and army.

Fourthly, and Air Forces objective is to stop cities from getting bombed. Our limited size means we can't support all our ground forces, same goes for your Air Force.

As for your last point, everyone has acknowledged our claim as fact, please stop crying about it.

IAF or no IAF. pakistan Northern light Infantry ran away shamelessly from Kargil.

No, we left due to US pressure. Also, these were the same troops that snuck into India and fought your troops for months despite being outnumbered 6:1 and having no air support.
 
:D again the same thread..

Indian Air Force tried to attack Pakistan in kargil war and we shot 1 attack helicopter, 1 fighter jet and crashed down 1 another fighter jet of india.

Our air force was also ready for responsive air strikes and our air defense system was also ready to crash down more fighter jets & attack helicopters of india.
 
Keep your nonsense to yourself. And thank your god that India is a peaceful country. If India were to have Chinese type mentality than you would have known what bloody neighbourhood means .
Hindia peaceful lol, she has or has had a problem with everyone of her neighbours, her ambitions have been checked not due to lack of ambition but sheer incompetence.

Rofl.It was you guys who have been humiliated by Islamic invaders.You guys pissed your pants so much that you guys changed your religion to Islam.

82.5% of Indians still follow religions indigenous to subcontinent and not a foreign religion unlike you guys.
Look vast majority of people adhered to Islam because they find monotheism a more logical rational concept of God unlike...............enough said
 
if you dont humiliate you will get humiliated - that means one more humiliation for you guys - just because of lack of those small things between your legs -
So what has Pakistan achived in all the wars,what was its objective and what did it achive.that will answer you question about who has balls or lack of balls

LMAO - it was peace time when you shot it down - LMAO
shame on you - LMAO
Nice,and when was kargil started.during the so called same peace time.
 
Rofl.It was you guys who have been humiliated by Islamic invaders.You guys pissed your pants so much that you guys changed your religion to Islam.

82.5% of Indians still follow religions indigenous to subcontinent and not a foreign religion unlike you guys.

Our ancestors were sane they didn't want to worship, flying monkeys, elephant gods, cows and stone idols anymore

They found islamic monotheism far superior and like millions around the world chose the superior path
 
Yawn..............and then the indian planners had an itch and when they wanted to scratch their ball they found none............


NEW DELHI:
In the early hours of June 13, 1999, at the height of the Kargil War, Indian Air Force fighter pilots were minutes away from launching a full-fledged air attack deep inside Pakistan. Targets had been assigned, route maps finalised; personal revolvers to be carried by pilots had been loaded with ammunition and Pakistani currency collected, for use if pilots had to eject on the other side of the Line of Control and orchestrate an escape.

These plans, laid out in documents of the Indian Air Force accessed exclusively by NDTV, show that fighter pilots were minutes away from crossing the Line of Control or de facto border in Kashmir on bombing missions, a move which would have likely escalated the controlled Kargil conflict into a full-fledged war between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

The Air Force's plans for an unmitigated attack were the result of collapsed talks in Delhi between Jaswant Singh, then Foreign Minister, and his Pakistani counterpart, Sartaj Aziz. On a mission to negotiate the end of the war to Delhi, Mr Aziz had been given clear terms - withdraw Pakistani intruders from the Kargil mountains, abandon the demand for redrawing the Line of Control or de factor border in Kashmir, urgently restore the status quo by accepting the Line of Control as it had been defined for decades, and punish those who tortured six Indian soldiers, including Captain Saurabh Kalia, whose mutilated body had been returned with the bodies of the jawans he was leading in an operation in North Kashmir when they were captured by Pakistani soldiers.

In the end, the talks were deadlocked. New Delhi had had enough.



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In all, 16 fighter jets were to be deployed across enemy lines in this massive attack

What was about to follow is laid out in an official record of the plans of the Air Force, accessed exclusively by NDTV. "On the 12th [of June], Sartaj Aziz went back after a failed visit to India. All pilots were called back at 1600 by Gupta, who had news for us. CATOs [Command Air Tasking Orders] had come for a pre-emptive strike at dawn on 13 Jun," reads the Squadron Diary of the Air Force's 17 Squadron, the "Golden Arrows", a formation that flew MiG 21s from the Srinagar Air Force base.

"We were to do a 4 ac [aircraft] bombing mission in *** [Pakistan Occupied Kashmir] and BDA [Bomb Damage Assessment] of Chaklala [a major Pakistani Air Force Airbase in Rawalpindi.] Tony, Pradeep, Chou & Doc planned for first mission and Dhali, Gupta for the second. Pal was maha miffed at being left out," the diary elaborates.

Assigned their targets, the pilots then went about the business of preparing for their mission: "We all returned at night after making Wiznavs [software used to calculate routes], golas [loading bullets into personal revolvers], maps and collecting Pak currency."

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The Air Force's plans for the attack were the result of collapsed talks with Pakistan in Delhi.

The clock was ticking. Within hours, the Indian Air Force would launch its first attacks in Pakistan since the 1971 war, aerial attacks against a country that may have had nuclear weapons in its inventory.

"At 0430 on 13th [June] morning, we reported to the sqn [squadron], ready for war. But it was NO GO - EXORs (Execution Orders) had not been received. We stood on standby till morning, then finally stood down at 1230."

The "Golden Arrows" were not the only squadron on the verge of flying into Pakistan in June 1999. Speaking to NDTV, a former MiG-21 pilot deployed in the region has also confirmed receiving orders to fly across the Line of Control. The pilot, who does not want to be identified, has said, "I was having dinner. We were sent to the base operations room. There was a gentleman from Command. He said `the balloon is going up in the morning, you guys will be in the first strike mission.' "

2 MiG 21s were assigned as "tied escorts" to four MiG-27s from another unit who were ordered to target the runway at the Chaklala airbase using runway denial bombs (bombs that create large craters in runways, preventing their use). As "tied escorts," the pair of MiG-21s would provide cover to the MiG-27 ground attack fighters in case they were intercepted by Pakistani fighter jets.

Four other MiG-21s were part of the attack mission, in addition to four MiG-29s air superiority fighters, which would be deployed to sweep the Pakistani skies before the Indian "strike package" approached their targets. Photo reconnaissance of the strike mission to gauge its effectiveness would subsequently be carried out by two other MiG-21s.

In all, 16 fighter jets were to be deployed across enemy lines in this massive attack, the first in a wave of missions. Several other squadrons were assigned separate targets.

"We took [Pakistani] currency and wrote letters home. Takeoff was at 6:30 am. As youngsters, we were jumping around. The mission was called off at about 12 am. At the squadron, we received our `No Go' orders at 3 am," the diary notes.

The mission itself came with extraordinary risks; the possibility that a few jets would be shot down was very likely. Pakistan's premier fighters, the F-16s, were waiting on the other side, flying patrols between Pindi and Kahuta to detect and intercept any Indian strike mission.

But F-16s were not the only danger. India's fighter pilots were acutely aware of the threat posed by French-made Crotale and Chinese made HQ2B Surface to Air Missiles (SAMs) meant to destroy incoming Indian aircraft. With a range of 10 kms, Crotale SAMs would fly towards the Indian fighters at a speed of more than twice the speed of sound if they locked on to their targets. And the Chinese HQ2B was no less a threat. With a large 190 kg warhead, the missile could engage targets more than 20 kilometres away, flying towards incoming Indian jets at a speed of 1,150 metres per second. If the missile was close to an Indian jet, its "proximity fuse" would go off triggering the warhead which would explode. No Indian fighter would likely survive the blast.

However, at the time of the Kargil war, the Indian Air Force had a distinct advantage. Not only did India have more fighter jets than Pakistan, but they were also armed with better weapons to intercept the enemy. Unlike India's MiG-29s and Mirage 2000s, Pakistani fighters did not have any long-range air-to-air missiles and would only have been able to engage IAF fighters in a dogfight within the range of their short-range US-supplied Sidewinder missiles. It was perhaps this key advantage that made the government almost decide on going ahead with strikes in Pakistan, though the reasons for India's eventual decision to not escalate the Kargil situation remain a closely guarded secret.

By July 1999, the Indian Army was able to regain territory held by Pakistani forces who were forced to retreat.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/excl...ng-pak-bases-1433345?pfrom=home-lateststories
 
NEW DELHI:
In the early hours of June 13, 1999, at the height of the Kargil War, Indian Air Force fighter pilots were minutes away from launching a full-fledged air attack deep inside Pakistan. Targets had been assigned, route maps finalised; personal revolvers to be carried by pilots had been loaded with ammunition and Pakistani currency collected, for use if pilots had to eject on the other side of the Line of Control and orchestrate an escape.

These plans, laid out in documents of the Indian Air Force accessed exclusively by NDTV, show that fighter pilots were minutes away from crossing the Line of Control or de facto border in Kashmir on bombing missions, a move which would have likely escalated the controlled Kargil conflict into a full-fledged war between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

The Air Force's plans for an unmitigated attack were the result of collapsed talks in Delhi between Jaswant Singh, then Foreign Minister, and his Pakistani counterpart, Sartaj Aziz. On a mission to negotiate the end of the war to Delhi, Mr Aziz had been given clear terms - withdraw Pakistani intruders from the Kargil mountains, abandon the demand for redrawing the Line of Control or de factor border in Kashmir, urgently restore the status quo by accepting the Line of Control as it had been defined for decades, and punish those who tortured six Indian soldiers, including Captain Saurabh Kalia, whose mutilated body had been returned with the bodies of the jawans he was leading in an operation in North Kashmir when they were captured by Pakistani soldiers.

In the end, the talks were deadlocked. New Delhi had had enough.



f-16-kargil_650x400_51468927298.jpg

In all, 16 fighter jets were to be deployed across enemy lines in this massive attack

What was about to follow is laid out in an official record of the plans of the Air Force, accessed exclusively by NDTV. "On the 12th [of June], Sartaj Aziz went back after a failed visit to India. All pilots were called back at 1600 by Gupta, who had news for us. CATOs [Command Air Tasking Orders] had come for a pre-emptive strike at dawn on 13 Jun," reads the Squadron Diary of the Air Force's 17 Squadron, the "Golden Arrows", a formation that flew MiG 21s from the Srinagar Air Force base.

"We were to do a 4 ac [aircraft] bombing mission in *** [Pakistan Occupied Kashmir] and BDA [Bomb Damage Assessment] of Chaklala [a major Pakistani Air Force Airbase in Rawalpindi.] Tony, Pradeep, Chou & Doc planned for first mission and Dhali, Gupta for the second. Pal was maha miffed at being left out," the diary elaborates.

Assigned their targets, the pilots then went about the business of preparing for their mission: "We all returned at night after making Wiznavs [software used to calculate routes], golas [loading bullets into personal revolvers], maps and collecting Pak currency."

exclusive-documents_650x494_71468927477.jpg

The Air Force's plans for the attack were the result of collapsed talks with Pakistan in Delhi.

The clock was ticking. Within hours, the Indian Air Force would launch its first attacks in Pakistan since the 1971 war, aerial attacks against a country that may have had nuclear weapons in its inventory.

"At 0430 on 13th [June] morning, we reported to the sqn [squadron], ready for war. But it was NO GO - EXORs (Execution Orders) had not been received. We stood on standby till morning, then finally stood down at 1230."

The "Golden Arrows" were not the only squadron on the verge of flying into Pakistan in June 1999. Speaking to NDTV, a former MiG-21 pilot deployed in the region has also confirmed receiving orders to fly across the Line of Control. The pilot, who does not want to be identified, has said, "I was having dinner. We were sent to the base operations room. There was a gentleman from Command. He said `the balloon is going up in the morning, you guys will be in the first strike mission.' "

2 MiG 21s were assigned as "tied escorts" to four MiG-27s from another unit who were ordered to target the runway at the Chaklala airbase using runway denial bombs (bombs that create large craters in runways, preventing their use). As "tied escorts," the pair of MiG-21s would provide cover to the MiG-27 ground attack fighters in case they were intercepted by Pakistani fighter jets.

Four other MiG-21s were part of the attack mission, in addition to four MiG-29s air superiority fighters, which would be deployed to sweep the Pakistani skies before the Indian "strike package" approached their targets. Photo reconnaissance of the strike mission to gauge its effectiveness would subsequently be carried out by two other MiG-21s.

In all, 16 fighter jets were to be deployed across enemy lines in this massive attack, the first in a wave of missions. Several other squadrons were assigned separate targets.

"We took [Pakistani] currency and wrote letters home. Takeoff was at 6:30 am. As youngsters, we were jumping around. The mission was called off at about 12 am. At the squadron, we received our `No Go' orders at 3 am," the diary notes.

The mission itself came with extraordinary risks; the possibility that a few jets would be shot down was very likely. Pakistan's premier fighters, the F-16s, were waiting on the other side, flying patrols between Pindi and Kahuta to detect and intercept any Indian strike mission.

But F-16s were not the only danger. India's fighter pilots were acutely aware of the threat posed by French-made Crotale and Chinese made HQ2B Surface to Air Missiles (SAMs) meant to destroy incoming Indian aircraft. With a range of 10 kms, Crotale SAMs would fly towards the Indian fighters at a speed of more than twice the speed of sound if they locked on to their targets. And the Chinese HQ2B was no less a threat. With a large 190 kg warhead, the missile could engage targets more than 20 kilometres away, flying towards incoming Indian jets at a speed of 1,150 metres per second. If the missile was close to an Indian jet, its "proximity fuse" would go off triggering the warhead which would explode. No Indian fighter would likely survive the blast.

However, at the time of the Kargil war, the Indian Air Force had a distinct advantage. Not only did India have more fighter jets than Pakistan, but they were also armed with better weapons to intercept the enemy. Unlike India's MiG-29s and Mirage 2000s, Pakistani fighters did not have any long-range air-to-air missiles and would only have been able to engage IAF fighters in a dogfight within the range of their short-range US-supplied Sidewinder missiles. It was perhaps this key advantage that made the government almost decide on going ahead with strikes in Pakistan, though the reasons for India's eventual decision to not escalate the Kargil situation remain a closely guarded secret.

By July 1999, the Indian Army was able to regain territory held by Pakistani forces who were forced to retreat.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/excl...ng-pak-bases-1433345?pfrom=home-lateststories

My Dear OP India / Indian always minutes away from bombing Pakistani bases since Pakistani territory lack in depth and your forward bases are quite close on border and any Indian jet can enter our airspace in minutes but India miles / years away to get the courage to do that. It was PAF who attacked and ruin your forward airbases in 1965.
Lets check Gen Musharraf's statement once more.
 
IAF Lost 2 of its fighters in kargil war, they could start the full scale war but Pakistan had a edge over IAF that time, by 2-0 score :)
Pakistan could have fire back with full scale and easily destroyed alot of IAF fighters on the ground :)

It seems that you know more about the PAF than Air Cdre Kaisar Tufail. He makes it clear that the PAF were in no position to fight a war.

Instead of running around in circles making warlike noises, I suggest you read.
 

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