Europe’s Terror Blowback: From Charlie Hebdo to Manchester Bombing

[24 Hours]

One could also argue ISIS is defending Sunnis from the aggressive Shia majority, so your hypocrisy still stands.

That would be a very poor argument.
http://time.com/4717319/mosul-iraq-offensive-civilians-human-shields/

 

[DJ_Viper]

Al-Saud family is the ideological and financial supporter of ISIS.

Like Iran is supporting Hizbullah and a crap load of other organizations to spread terror across the entire ME, Israel and to some degree to US interests?

 

[Muhammed45]

ISIS is defending Sunnis

Don't say that everywhere except this forum. However even in this forum
I can provide evidence that ISIS has killed and r@ped hundreds of Mamustas and women in Kurdish controlled areas of Syria and Iraq.
ISIS is not a religious group but a bunch of takfiris who claim that we are the only Muslims and every other Muslims should be slaughtered or enslaved, doesn't put a difference btw Shia or Sunni.
Seemingly we are different in defenition, first you must explain in your POV what or who is a terrorist?
My own explanation, terrorist rebels against a nation, doesn't recognize any kinds of national laws, only chaos and murders everyone of opposites. (((ISIS-AlNusra)))
Hezbollah is a national group raised from Lebanese people and defends them against aggressors. Hezbollah has never said that Christians are infidels, Sunnis are infidels, Shias are infidels or Lebanese national laws is rubbish. They obey Lebanon's government, whether Christian or Shia or Sunni.
Believe me if KSA was a Shia majority country, nowadays ISIS claimed of being Shia LOL. ISIS is not a Sunni group, i have never seen in Sunni books which calls Christians or Shias or Pro-Shia Sunnis infidels , sentenced to get beheaded.
ISIS is organized by USA , CIA , trained in the countries which USA has complete dominance , Turkey-Afghanistan-Jordan, funded by KSA and UAE and ideologically protected by wahabi mentors of KSA.
The Muslim nations of my mentioned countries are innocent, their governments, USA's lackeys , are totally responsible for the creation of ISIS.
USA as the leader of terrorism in our region, looked for a basis between Sunnis for ISIS and Al-Nusra but these bastards were disappointed when Syrians elected Assad during the 2014 elections.
I hope you take the point , ISIS is not a Sunni group but imposed on Sunnis by USA and it's regional lackeys.

 

[Hamza913]

Don't say that everywhere except this forum. However even in this forum
I can provide evidence that ISIS has killed and r@ped hundreds of Mamustas and women in Kurdish controlled areas of Syria and Iraq.
ISIS is not a religious group but a bunch of takfiris who claim that we are the only Muslims and every other Muslims should be slaughtered or enslaved, doesn't put a difference btw Shia or Sunni.
Seemingly we are different in defenition, first you must explain in your POV what or who is a terrorist?
My own explanation, terrorist rebels against a nation, doesn't recognize any kinds of national laws, only chaos and murders everyone of opposites. (((ISIS-AlNusra)))
Hezbollah is a national group raised from Lebanese people and defends them against aggressors. Hezbollah has never said that Christians are infidels, Sunnis are infidels, Shias are infidels or Lebanese national laws is rubbish. They obey Lebanon's government, whether Christian or Shia or Sunni.
Believe me if KSA was a Shia majority country, nowadays ISIS claimed of being Shia LOL. ISIS is not a Sunni group, i have never seen in Sunni books which calls Christians or Shias or Pro-Shia Sunnis infidels , sentenced to get beheaded.
ISIS is organized by USA , CIA , trained in the countries which USA has complete dominance , Turkey-Afghanistan-Jordan, funded by KSA and UAE and ideologically protected by wahabi mentors of KSA.
The Muslim nations of my mentioned countries are innocent, their governments, USA's lackeys , are totally responsible for the creation of ISIS.
USA as the leader of terrorism in our region, looked for a basis between Sunnis for ISIS and Al-Nusra but these bastards were disappointed when Syrians elected Assad during the 2014 elections.
I hope you take the point , ISIS is not a Sunni group but imposed on Sunnis by USA and it's regional lackeys.

I said from others POV, not necessarily mine.

 

[Super Falcon]

Famous saying actions bring reaction

If you push one community religion at the wall you are bound to get reaction and do not cry

I'm against any type of terrorism but what is provoking terrorism should be considered terrorism too no double standards

 

[Hamza913]

That would be a very poor argument.
http://time.com/4717319/mosul-iraq-offensive-civilians-human-shields/

I said from certain POV's.

Also, don't believe in everything you hear on the news.

 

[Kompromat]

Originally published by PDF.

@Horus: pls provide a link to the original soucre article (the above is obviously a copy)
If one does not provide this, the credibility of the source cannot be established. Nor can it be verified that the article posted here is unchanged from the original source.
What is the position and purpose of the person posting the (copied) article? Without at least an indication thereoff, there is not much to discuss: its just distribution.

 

[TMA]

out with it, son.. "basically they deserved it" is what you're saying here.


Eschatologist fan of morris and hossein, yes ?

your morris is a beggar scum who lives for muft in a nice tropical area and begs arab sunnis to make donations so he can propagate sharia and apologize for the jihadist ideology, that's who morris is.

Fan of Sheikh Imran Hosein, not morris.

 

[Penguin]

Yes I am.

No worry, there is zero critic to EU and US!

Originally published by PDF.

Can you still link the original?

 

[24 Hours]

I said from certain POV's.

Also, don't believe in everything you hear on the news.

You're right, I'm sure ISIS has a great streak when it comes to charity.

 

[Cthulhu]

And how exactly is Al-Saud family related to this?

Here's the best proof that i can get you, a classified document leaked by Wikileaks, in which Hilary Clinton is suggesting that we should use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia so they stop their financial and logistic support of ISIS. Hilary Clinton had access to classified information herself, and wouldn't be lying in a classified document.

>> forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence
>> assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia,
>> which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and
>> other radical Sunni groups in the region. This effort will be enhanced by
>> the stepped up commitment in the KRG. The Qataris and Saudis will be put
>> in a position of balancing policy between their ongoing competition to
>> dominate the Sunni world and the consequences of serious U.S. pressure. By
>> the same token, the threat of similar, realistic U.S. operations will serve
>> to assist moderate forces in Libya, Lebanon, and even Jordan, where
>> insurgents are increasingly fascinated by the ISIL success in Iraq.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

 

[Banglar Bir]

Did Manchester bomb have two switches in case attacker changed his mind? Killer 'held one detonator in his left hand while terror cell had second remote control trigger'

• Images from inside the Manchester Arena foyer where 22 were killed are the latest details leaked in the US
• Experts say bits of the bomb photographed suggested it was expertly made, perhaps by a team of specialists
• The bomb - which was packed with screws and nails in a Karrimor bag - may have been detonated remotely
• It is understood the power of the blast left shrapnel from the bomb embedded in brick walls and metal doors
• The leak in the US will add to anger among UK authorities, who are reportedly not sharing new information

The Manchester Arena bomber could have been blown up by other members of his terror cell using a remote controlled explosive, it has emerged.

Salman Abedi killed 22 and injured around 120 people when a bomb he was carrying in a rucksack exploded as families flooded out of an Ariana Grande concert on Monday evening.

But analysis of pictures of bomb parts leaked by US officials suggests the device may have been remotely detonated by a member of a potential network thought to have made the explosive.

Pictures of the bomb site leaked by US law enforces suggest there may have been two detonators on the bomb, one handheld and another remotely operated.

Former army officer Hamish de Bretton-Gordon said photos of the bomb suggested Abedi had 'significant help', adding: 'This is not something you can knock up in your back shed.'

Mr de Bretton-Gordon, now director of Avon Protection Systems, told MailOnline: 'I would suspect that they didn't have confidence he was going to go through with it. He might not even have known that it had a remote detonator or that they could blow him up themselves.'
ISIS, who have claimed responsibility for the attack, have previously used remote controlled bombs to execute prisoners in Syria.

The Manchester bomb, which was packed in a £20 Karrimor backpack, is one of the most sophisticated set off in Britain since attacks by the IRA.

Pictures of pieces of the device, first published by the New York Times, emerged just hours after the UK Government issued a warning to US authorities not to release details of the terror investigation.

The newspaper reported that screws and shrapnel dispersed by the bomb were found deeply embedded in brick walls and metal doors, suggesting a very powerful blast.

Also leaked was a diagram showing the location of the bodies of those killed. The fact that they were found in a circle around where the bomb is believed to have gone off suggests the bomb was evenly-packed, experts say.
Photos of bloodstained fragments of the device show a piece of the bag which contained the bomb, the detonator and some of the nails and screws packed around it to cause maximum injury to young music fans and their parents.

The leaked photos show the remains of a small detonator used to explode the bomb, which security specialists think is similar in design to those used in attack on Brussels last year.

A 12-volt lead acid battery found at the scene suggest the makers were careful to reduce the risk of it not going off, experts say. It is more powerful than most seen in backpack bombs or suicide vests and is commonly used for emergency lighting.

Circuit boards found at the scene suggest the makers may have included a fail-safe mechanism, allowing it to be detonated remotely if not set off by Abedi.

The care and attention with which the bomb was made has fuelled suggestions that Abedi worked with a skilled bomb maker or team of bomb makers, who are feared to still be on the loose.

The location of the Abedi's torso, and the absence of fatalities in a line between the blast site and where he landed, indicated that the bomb was most likely in a backpack rather than a vest, an explosive disposal technician who examined the images said.

CCTV stills, taken in Manchester's Arndale Centre, allegedly show Abedi with a rucksack, similar to the one used in the bombing, just three says before the attack.

Sky News reported that the man took £250 from a cash machine and then went shopping in the Arndale Centre at about 8pm on Friday.

Armed police carried out a series of raids today, believed to be a hunt for the bomb factory.

Eight people remain in custody in connection with Monday's attack. Armed police today chased and arrested a man in Nuneaton, Warwickshire and bomb disposal experts rushed to the Hulme area of Manchester, where armed officers pinned a man to the floor. The home of a man arrested in Wigan yesterday is also being searched.

The release of the photos comes after previous leaks by US authorities infuriated Home Secretary Amber Rudd, who said on Wednesday she was 'irritated' by the early release of the bomber's name in the US.
It was reported this morning that UK police have stopped sharing information with US law enforcers in the wake of the leaks.

US President Donald Trump Thursday slammed as 'deeply troubling' US leaks on the probe into the Manchester suicide bombing, warning those responsible could face prosecution.

In a statement issued by the White House, Trump said he had ordered the Department of Justice and other agencies to launch a full review of leaks he described as 'a grave threat to our national security.'

'The alleged leaks coming out of government agencies are deeply troubling,' Trump said. 'If appropriate, the culprit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.'

'There is no relationship we cherish more than the Special Relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom,' Trump added.

Security agencies and detectives investigating the suicide bombing regard the ability to control the release of information as crucial to the success of their operation.

It is understood police wanted to keep Abedi's name secret for longer to help them with their investigation.
Abedi's name was circulating in the US media on Tuesday, hours before it was confirmed by UK police who had urged reporters not to publish speculation about the bomber's identity.
Britain's intelligence links with the US are among the closest in the world.

Information is routinely shared by security and intelligence agencies as part of the special relationship between the transatlantic allies and surveillance information is also shared between the UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand under the 'Five Eyes' arrangement.

Voicing her concern about the apparent release of information to the US press, Ms Rudd told the BBC: 'I have been very clear with our friends that that should not happen again.'
The Home Secretary said it was 'irritating' when information was released from other sources as British authorities worked on the ongoing investigation.
However she added that she did not believe that the Americans had compromised the investigation.

British-born Abedi killed 22 people and injured at least 119 more when he detonated his bomb as children were piling out of the venue having watched American pop star Ariana Grande.
The mass-murderer had only just returned from a three-week trip to war-torn Libya before launching his horrifying attack, friends said. He is believed to have been in Germany just days before the attack.

Abedi's younger brother Hashem has also been arrested in Tripoli, Libya, on suspicion of having links to ISIS who claimed responsibility for Monday night's atrocity.
He was 'aware of all the details' of his brother's plans, a Libyan security force official said and had been 'under surveillance for a month and a half' before his arrest today.
The Deterrence Force said on its Facebook page that 'investigation teams supplied intelligence that he was planning a terrorist attack in the capital Tripoli'.

Abedi's older brother Ismail, 23, was arrested yesterday in Chorlton, south Manchester.
He is still being quizzed by police, who are probing the family's links to a terror network.

Manchester's police chief said it is 'very clear' that police are investigating 'a network' linked to the bomber.
Detectives, in tandem with British soldiers, have carried out several raids since Monday night's atrocity.

By Wednesday night nine people had been arrested, including Albedi's father and younger brother in Tripoli, his older brother in Manchester and a woman in Blackley.
Forces had carried out raids at locations in Manchester, Wigan and Nuneaton in an anti-terror operation.

Former Libyan security official, Abdel-Basit Haroun, said Ramadan Abedi, a former airport security worker, was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) in the 1990s. The organisation had links to Al-Qaeda.
Although the LIFG disbanded, Haroun said the father belonged to the Salafi Jihadi movement, the most extreme sect of Salafism from which Al-Qaeda and ISIS hail.

Ramadan Albedi has also publicly voiced his support for an extremist group fighting in Syria. He posted photos of soldiers clad in black uniforms from the Al-Nusra Front, which was the official Syrian branch of al Qaeda until it broke up last July, on his Facebook page five years ago.
Underneath the photo, he wrote: 'Victorious against the infidels... say Amen!'
Ramadan Albedi also published a picture of his son Hashem holding a machine gun while wearing a Nike t-shirt and combat trousers. Underneath the picture he wrote: 'The lion Hashem... is training'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4540408/Manchester-remote-controlled-professional.html

 

[waz]

What nobody is mentioning, even on this forum, is that these attacks are a retaliation for attacks by the west on the Islamic world. the CIA call this 'blowback'. Basically if you bomb somebody else, they will retaliate.

Wait what? The Abidi family were given refuge by the UK government from Gaddafi. They also aided the removal of Gaddafi, which pleased the militants know end. So why did this filth then bomb a stadium full of innocent girls?
There is no reason or justification for what that savage did.

 

[striver44]

Al-Saud family is the ideological and financial supporter of ISIS.

Well i have the same feeling. Piotr is right
I am not happy of what happened in Manchester, we are just telling the roots of problems and if your corrupt governors leave the oil dollars of AL-Saud family, such incidents will never happen again.
Meanwhile I used to hate the monarchy of England, the same symbol of colonialism. Despite the crimes they have done all over the world, still alive and arming rebels in Syria and Iraq. Their connection to Al-Saud wahabis is an obvious fact from centuries ago.
Take a look a this :
EU and ME will suffer and suffer because of that racist family. UK continuously sells military equipment to that racist ISIS supporter family.
What goes around comes around

I'm no big fan of al-saud but dude you gotta be serious. their airbases host the u.s air force that cover your PMU's a** 24/7 by air strikes, and the British too intervened while you and (probably your shiite friends) are shouting death to al-saud lol, death to america etc. and Iran is actually a state sponsor of terrorism too, they finacially support hezbollah in their multiple wars in syria and lebanon, host the houthi in weapons and arms etc.. this game of pointing fingers between saudia arabia and Iran is hillarious mate.....

 

[jamal18]

Wait what? The Abidi family were given refuge by the UK government from Gaddafi. They also aided the removal of Gaddafi, which pleased the militants know end. So why did this filth then bomb a stadium full of innocent girls?
There is no reason or justification for what that savage did.

You misunderstand. I am not justifying or exonerating.
I am describing the dynamics of what is happening.