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Germany has low deaths and good recovery
UK, France, Italy, Spain and others must ask them for help

As much as I would like to believe that Germans are saving people that would die in France and UK, both of which unlike Italy/Spain have not yet been overwhelmed with numbers of the sick, this is not the real reason as far as I can see.

Main reasons seem to be:

1/ They have and are testing more people rather than just the sick like the UK.
2/ However the more numerous testing has allowed them to contact trace and more quickly find and isolate others who have caught the disease.

UK is desperately trying to increase the number of tests but the "community spread" has now happened and with lockdown it is being kept to an absolute minimum now.

Germany Corona virus deaths are now over 300 and is starting to show signs of somewhat following the UK trend. Germans are in the best position to be treated properly if they get really sick as they have the most ICU beds per capita in Europe.
 
A MIT research suggests that it is a possibility that COVID19 must have not much affect on countries where the weather is above 20 degree celsius. .

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/n...hreatening-rest-of-south/ar-BB11HRXa?ocid=sf2
New Orleans emerges as next coronavirus epicenter, threatening rest of South

March 25 (Reuters) - New Orleans is on track to become the next coronavirus epicenter in the United States, dimming hopes that less densely populated and warmer-climate cities would escape the worst of the pandemic, and that summer months could see it wane.





 
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/n...hreatening-rest-of-south/ar-BB11HRXa?ocid=sf2
New Orleans emerges as next coronavirus epicenter, threatening rest of South

March 25 (Reuters) - New Orleans is on track to become the next coronavirus epicenter in the United States, dimming hopes that less densely populated and warmer-climate cities would escape the worst of the pandemic, and that summer months could see it wane.


This is not absolute proof that warm weather does not hinder Covid-19.

Mardi-Gras looks like it was the perfect carrier for the virus but that was back in 25th February.
That time the daytime high was below 20C, conditions where the virus is known to thrive in.

The fact that it has taken a whole month for New Orleans to emerge with large number of cases actually is evidence that warmer weather in the last couple of weeks was inhibiting the spread of the virus. Cooler areas would have probably been far more affected by now.

Warm weather + social distancing is better than cold/cool weather + social distancing it seems for this virus.
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...n-course-to-reduce-total-death-rate-3gn7hfjzk

Know the below is just a forecast but the UK may have slammed on the brakes early enough to keep deaths within an "acceptable" 5700.
Spain forecast to have most deaths in Europe at 46,000 and Italy at 28,000 - hope it is lower than these numbers.


"Coronavirus: Lockdown ‘is on course to reduce total death rate’

Tom Whipple, Science Editor | Kat Lay, Health Correspondent
Saturday March 28 2020, 12.01am, The Times
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Statisticians believe the lockdown is being successful in reducing the impact of the coronavirus
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Britain is on course for an estimated 5,700 deaths from coronavirus, far lower than originally predicted, experts believe.

The country will avoid the 260,000 fatalities once feared if it keeps on the same path seen in China, statisticians at Imperial College London have calculated.

They emphasised that this did not imply that the fears of mass deaths were alarmist, but that the government strategy was working. “Our work shows that social distancing is working against Covid-19 as an effective parachute across multiple countries,” Tom Pike, of Imperial College, said. “That’s no reason for us to cut away our parachutes when we’re still way above the ground.”

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This month Neil Ferguson, Professor Pike’s colleague at Imperial, presented a modelling analysis that suggested coronavirus would kill 260,000 people if Britain maintained its previous policy of less restrictive interventions, or 510,000 if left unchecked. That paper led to a change in strategy that included the closure of schools and nationwide social distancing. In the winter of 2017-18 26,000 people died from seasonal flu.

When presenting the analysis, Professor Ferguson said that he would consider it a success if the new strategy managed to keep deaths under 20,000.

The new paper, which incorporates evidence from the effects of social distancing in China and assumes that Britain will follow a similar path, suggests this will be achieved. It estimates that at its peak Britain will experience more than 250 deaths a day, far fewer than the 1,300 a day expected in Italy. The scientists’ best guess for the total number of deaths is 5,700 in Britain, compared with fewer than 4,000 in China. They expect 28,000 deaths in Italy and that this will be overtaken by Spain, which on its present trajectory could suffer 46,000.

The analysis relies on the disease spreading in a similar way to that seen in China. Professor Pike said that despite differences in culture and response, most countries had matched China’s course. “Although there are undoubtedly data issues in the details, the similarity in trajectories of Italy and China suggest that overall the numbers are likely representative,” he said.

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Since the severity of measures deployed by different countries has varied, this implied that there was a threshold of social distancing that needed to be crossed to suppress the disease. Once it was crossed more draconian restrictions were unnecessary. This might help countries to plan for the phased lifting of measures expected to take place over the summer.

Early data is already quantifying the behavioural changes instituted by social distancing in Britain. Data from a Public Health England scheme monitoring a network of A&E departments found that daily attendances had fallen from 25,000 to 17,000. While some may have stayed away out of fears of catching coronavirus, there is evidence that others are avoiding hospitals for non-essential problems and taking better care of themselves. A recent poll by Asthma UK found that those with the condition reported paying closer attention to how they managed it.

Professor Ferguson was not involved in the coronavirus research, which was published before peer review on the preprint server Medrxiv. Last week he gave evidence to parliament and said then that he expected there to be far fewer deaths than feared. He later emphasised that the estimates were not an indication that Britain had overreacted to the virus but rather a judgment that the reaction was working. “If anything, our latest estimates suggest that the virus is slightly more transmissible than we previously thought,” he said."
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...esting-lockdown-boris-johnson-covid-19-latest

"UK coronavirus live: 209 deaths in 24 hours takes UK toll to 1,228"

Over 200 deaths in one day is appalling but it is less than the 260 yesterday.

The curve is not going down. I was hopin at this stage it would be very consistent and start going down.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Check out the daily deaths graph it shows the true scale of this getting out hand. Keeping in mind we still do not have stringent lockdown as going on in Italy.
 
The curve is not going down. I was hopin at this stage it would be very consistent and start going down.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Check out the daily deaths graph it shows the true scale of this getting out hand. Keeping in mind we still do not have stringent lockdown as going on in Italy.


It is expected the number of deaths to keep going up till around mid-April when the lockdown should have the required effect of bringing down infections and deaths. What is worrying is the sharp rise to an average of 200 over the last 2 days from 80ish over the previous last 3 days - think this has surprised a lot of people.

Lockdown can get more severe but I am not convinced it will have that much of an impact as we will enter diminishing returns.
If we need to keep this going for many months then in my opinion we have the best balance right now and maybe the government just needs to work on tube overcrowding and tell some businesses to close down if they are engaging in risky behaviour - easy for us to say but they need to protect the economy as much as possible and if it is safe for people to physically go to work they should. After this everyone will have to pay this off and earn a living again.
The government is damned if they do and damned if they dont and I am not a Tory supporter!

UK still has a possibility of avoiding getting to the stage of where Italy and now Spain is in where Covid-19 patients that need a ventilator are not getting it due to a lack of them. It all depends on how quickly the number of patients come into the NHS needing treatment and how quickly the ramp up happens.

On the ventilator front, we will have to wait some weeks for Dyson to start manufacture of their 10,000 units for the NHS(provided they get the ok from regulator) but a UK consortium will be helping Penlon to mass produce 10,000 of a pre-existing design this week and so hopefully all those that need ventilation get it, as 50% chance of survival is better than zero like we are sadly seeing in Italy/Spain for some very sick people.
 
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It is expected the number of deaths to keep going up till around mid-April when the lockdown should have the required effect of bringing down infections and deaths. What is worrying is the sharp rise to an average of 200 over the last 2 days from 80ish over the last 3 days - think this has surprised a lot of people.

Lockdown can get more severe but I am not convinced it will have that much of an impact as we will enter diminishing returns.
If we need to keep this going for many months then in my opinion we have the best balance right now and maybe the government just needs to work on tube overcrowding and tell some businesses to close down if they are engaging in risky behaviour - easy for us to say but they need to protect the economy as much as possible and if it is safe for people to physically go to work they should. After this everyone will have to pay this off and earn a living again.
The government is damned if they do and damned if they dont and I am not a Tory supporter!

UK still has a possibility of avoiding getting to the stage of where Italy and now Spain is in where Covid-19 patients that need a ventilator are not getting it due to a lack of them. It all depends on how quickly the number of patients come into the NHS needing treatment and how quickly the ramp up happens.

On the ventilator front, we will have to wait some weeks for Dyson to start manufacture of their 10,000 units for the NHS(provided they get the ok from regulator) but a UK consortium will be helping Penlon to mass produce 10,000 of a pre-existing design this week and so hopefully all those that need ventilation get it, as 50% chance of survival is better than zero like we are sadly seeing in Italy/Spain for some very sick people.

Yeah I read that as well, also read the unsavory news of EU trying to sabotage Dyson etc to supply them first with a bigger order. EU is placing orders as a group of countries and did invite UK to join as well. Which I think the government quite rightly rejected.

The government is quite rightly stuck in whatever they do. I just hope that the lockdown is kept to current levels. If this goes on for longer at least like this you can survive by going for a walk every now and then. If they go for a complete lockdown things can get out of hand pretty quickly just like it has now started in Italy.

Because we have abundance of idiots like this guy.
https://news.sky.com/video/coronavirus-police-scotland-confront-man-defying-lockdown-rules-11964784
 
Yeah I read that as well, also read the unsavory news of EU trying to sabotage Dyson etc to supply them first with a bigger order. EU is placing orders as a group of countries and did invite UK to join as well. Which I think the government quite rightly rejected.

The government is quite rightly stuck in whatever they do. I just hope that the lockdown is kept to current levels. If this goes on for longer at least like this you can survive by going for a walk every now and then. If they go for a complete lockdown things can get out of hand pretty quickly just like it has now started in Italy.

Because we have abundance of idiots like this guy.
https://news.sky.com/video/coronavirus-police-scotland-confront-man-defying-lockdown-rules-11964784


No need for UK to join EU as negotiating as a group of countries will only slow things down and time is of the essence now.

UK has rightly followed a track where UK industry will both supply a new simple design that can be produced in mass and help pre-existing manufacturers like Penlon and Smiths to scale things up massively. This gives both reliability of the products and mass as soon as possible which is the logical mix.

After the bumbling at first, I have full confidence in the government that they are dealing with this as best they can.


As regards that idiot, well in a population of more than 60 million you will always get a few like that. If he tries that again the Police can always arrest him and lock him up although I hope that they have full protective kit back in the station if they need to go that far.
 
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