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Europe becoming ‘platform for terrorists’, says US

Leicester is a city where all your above comments fit in....only thing is its a majority hindu indian city

Some wards in the north-east of the city are more than 70% indian Asian
The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) had estimated that by 2011 Leicester would have approximately a 50% ethnic minority population, making it the first city in Britain not to have a white British majority.

You need to tell your brethren to mix more

Yes, I agree, that is an alarming trend for the British.

Fortunately, the Hindus haven't shown a tendency towards fundamentalism.

But who knows, with the current mood among hindus in India, you might just see news reports saying that rich hindus in britain are funding rightwing hindu organizations.
 
SA,

The WoT to many people is taken to be a War on Islam.

Therefore, the fundamentalists uses this ploy to recruit their soldiers.

The British born, are basically rootless. They are instilled with the tenets of their Faith by sometimes radical Mullahs. There is also an emphasis on how rock bottom is the fate of Moslems when the Islamic historical aspect they are taught speaks only of the time when Islam was it is zenith in all fields. Then when they come outside, others ridicule them and mock them, because of the earlier actions by some Moslem malcontent. It does anger those who want to be close to their roots and yet are not anywhere close to it.

Therefore, there comes this disconnect between rationality and their belief in what they have been taught, sometimes by radical Mullahs.

Hence, this schizophrenia caused by the humiliation.

This humiliation gets converted into the need to 'teach the detractors a lesson'.

It is a very complex situation.

As far as Hindus are concerned, there has been no serious reasons to revolt against the world.

I would not put it to any form of extra coolness.
 
^^^Good points Salim, and Energon

My earlier comments were more of presenting different possibilities, rather than arguing that one particular explanation was the case, or that the issues faced by immigrant communities are identical.

Salim, your last post especially explains some of the issues quite well.
 
A worrying development here in the UK was the launch of Al Qaeda in Britain.
 
Agnostic,

I have heard things to the contrary (about the legal immigrants, that is).

They say that the original immigrants are law abiding and were only interested in making a better life.

It is the local born, who are rootless, and who are the ones that create the problems.

That is the case here in Europe, atleast the continental part of it has seen 2-3 generations of migrants since the fifties who came here in quest for better life, majority belonging to low skilled low educated labor class. Some returned after making money, other chose to stay. The first two generations of migrants born and raised in Europe are usually unfit for skilled work and remain dependant on social support.

Their children are still born in poverty and lack parents support or motivation to improve life.
 
There are atleast 300.000 Moroccan migrants living in The Netherlands, still you won't find many with a respectable job or high education.
 
Excellent debate guys, I''m impressed! :tup::pdf:
 
Yes, I agree, that is an alarming trend for the British.

Fortunately, the Hindus haven't shown a tendency towards fundamentalism.

I'm sure most Indians wouldn't agree with you, but your statement is wrong. Hindu charities are openly supporting terrorism and terrorist groups from within the UK.

In Bad Faith? British Charity and Hindu Extremism is a meticulously documented record divided into five sections and nine informative appendices. The Report clearly establishes that the UK Charity Sewa International, to which donations of over £4 million pounds were made by the British public in the aftermath of the devastating Gujarat earthquake in 2001, were used to fund the activities of the Hindu extremist group - Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). This funding was used to promote Hindutva ideology, fomenting sectarian and communal violence throughout India. In 2002, Gujarat became the flashpoint.
In Bad Faith? British Charity and Hindu Extemism

Before you start wanting comparisons with cartoons and so on, yes there are plenty by Hindu extremists in the West agitated by mere paintings or drawings. I'm sure you would use these examples as evidence of the poor state of multiculturalism in the west and why it hasn't worked, would you not?

"Threats From Hindu Extremists Lead To London Art Show Being Cancelled
An exhibition of controversial paintings in London has been cancelled after threats from religious extremists.

National Secular Society - Threats From Hindu Extremists Lead To London Art Show Being Cancelled

"London: Leaders of the Hindu community in Britain have protested against one of this year's six Christmas stamps issued by Royal Mail on the ground that its image amounts to an insult to Hinduism."
Christian Persecution India: Hindus protest against Britain's X'mas stamp

Or how about a bit of fashion protestation?
BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Harrods apology over Hindu bikinis

Perhaps Hindu faith schools are not run by fundamentalists?

Candidates will also have to show they undertake weekly temple-related charity work, participate fortnightly in temple programmes, accept and put into practice the teachings of the Vedic scriptures and abstain from meat, fish, eggs, alcohol and smoking.
Hindu school’s admission policy ‘too strict’ - Times Online

Or how about violent Sikh fundamentalism in the UK?

Britain: Sikhs Riot, Protest Play, Theater Closes
A Birmingham theatre tried to put on a production of Behzti, a play that involved sexual abuse and murder occurring in a Sikh temple. British Sikhs were so outraged at these depictions that they not only protested, but rioted - ultimately forcing the theater to close the play down.

Britain: Sikhs Riot, Protest Play, Theater Closes

You might as well face it. Hindu fundamentalists exist in the West, as they do with any religion.
 
If you compare the amount of mixed pakistani/english children in the uk, it outnumbers the mixed indian/english children by yards...if not miles.
If that is not a sure sign of intergration then i dont know what is.

The excuse about lack of education/jobs for british muslims is a very poor one that is backed up by sweet FA.
If you look at the majority of suspects in the uk of pakistani descent, they are well educated and are qualified for professional jobs.
You will also notice that they all found "islam" at university or later on life....
 
I'm sure most Indians wouldn't agree with you, but your statement is wrong. Hindu charities are openly supporting terrorism and terrorist groups from within the UK.

In Bad Faith? British Charity and Hindu Extremism is a meticulously documented record divided into five sections and nine informative appendices. The Report clearly establishes that the UK Charity Sewa International, to which donations of over £4 million pounds were made by the British public in the aftermath of the devastating Gujarat earthquake in 2001, were used to fund the activities of the Hindu extremist group - Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). This funding was used to promote Hindutva ideology, fomenting sectarian and communal violence throughout India. In 2002, Gujarat became the flashpoint.
In Bad Faith? British Charity and Hindu Extemism

Oh I had forgotten about RSS/VHP. Yes, they do receive a lot of foreign funding.
Its noteworthy though, that it hasn't been declared as a terrorist organization in any country. (or has it? Afaik, it hasn't)

I did mention in an earlier post about hindu right-wing groups getting funded. Well, there's your news article.

Before you start wanting comparisons with cartoons and so on, yes there are plenty by Hindu extremists in the West agitated by mere paintings or drawings. I'm sure you would use these examples as evidence of the poor state of multiculturalism in the west and why it hasn't worked, would you not?

I'm sure they are agitated. Who wouldn't be? If I am a devout Hindu, I definitely won't be pleased to see certain stuff.

"Threats From Hindu Extremists Lead To London Art Show Being Cancelled
An exhibition of controversial paintings in London has been cancelled after threats from religious extremists.

National Secular Society - Threats From Hindu Extremists Lead To London Art Show Being Cancelled


It wasn't a bomb threat or anything, it was a threat for "protest demonstration outside the venue next Saturday by so-called Hindu Human Rights campaigners."

I hope that helps to put things in perspective.

"London: Leaders of the Hindu community in Britain have protested against one of this year's six Christmas stamps issued by Royal Mail on the ground that its image amounts to an insult to Hinduism."
Christian Persecution India: Hindus protest against Britain's X'mas stamp

They protested peacefully and lodged a complaint right? Anything wrong with that?


Once again, they lodged a formal complaint. Standard procedure, no controversy.

Perhaps the fashion house did bend over a bit easily.

But isn't that the kind of so called liberal policies of the British, that I've been writing about?

Perhaps Hindu faith schools are not run by fundamentalists?

Candidates will also have to show they undertake weekly temple-related charity work, participate fortnightly in temple programmes, accept and put into practice the teachings of the Vedic scriptures and abstain from meat, fish, eggs, alcohol and smoking.
Hindu school’s admission policy ‘too strict’ - Times Online

Lol...don't blame the Hindus for wanting their own school!!

Blame the education policy of the British for allowing faith-based schools in the first place!!

Oh and BTW, this is an ISCKON school, which isn't exactly mainstream Hinduism. No wonder then:

Britain’s first state-funded Hindu school has come under heavy criticism from within its own community over how it intends to select pupils


Or how about violent Sikh fundamentalism in the UK?

Britain: Sikhs Riot, Protest Play, Theater Closes
A Birmingham theatre tried to put on a production of Behzti, a play that involved sexual abuse and murder occurring in a Sikh temple. British Sikhs were so outraged at these depictions that they not only protested, but rioted - ultimately forcing the theater to close the play down.

Britain: Sikhs Riot, Protest Play, Theater Closes

You might as well face it. Hindu fundamentalists exist in the West, as they do with any religion.

I"ll quote some paras from the article:

Behzti, which translates as "dishonour", was written by a young female Sikh, Gurpreet Kaur Bhatt, and was said to have been inoffensive to many younger Sikhs. However, religious leaders, including the Roman Catholic Diocese of Birmingham, had urged a boycott of the play


If the catholics are sharing their view,then I think we're quite safe here.:P.

Another quote:

In this case, the barbarians and the supporters of authoritarian religion have won. It was claimed that the play "mocked" the Sikh religion, but that has been denied by all of those involved — the people making the claim have not, near as I can tell, actually seen what they are attacking. Based upon what I have read it sounds more like the play mocks hypocrisy, the abuse of power, and the predilection of some to place appearance of honor above the realities of justice and truth. People who are upset at that are not people who should be trusted in leadership positions of any sort.

^^^agree.

However, it just shows how spineless the British establishment is becoming to the demands of the right-wing groups.
 
The Muslim protests against the Danish cartoons in the UK were generally of similar composition. So it all boils down to fundamentalism, or according to you, "a failure of multiculturalism". This is a ridiculous notion when you look at certain areas of public life, but what is even more ridiculous are your suggestions that multiculturalism is a failed concept based on the British model, yet presumably the Indian model (where thousands of minorities are slaughtered - yes slaughtered, with government approval) is a success! Just because the Hindus happen to be doing the slaughtering does not make that model a success. Regardless of the ethnic group, the least casualty model would be more successful, which would put the British model way ahead of the Indian one.
 
The Muslim protests against the Danish cartoons in the UK were generally of similar composition.


Really? I'm sure most people will agree, that the reaction to the Danish cartoons was in a different league altogether.

Have you been reading the news properly?

So it all boils down to fundamentalism, or according to you, "a failure of multiculturalism". This is a ridiculous notion when you look at certain areas of public life, but what is even more ridiculous are your suggestions that multiculturalism is a failed concept based on the British model, yet presumably the Indian model (where thousands of minorities are slaughtered - yes slaughtered, with government approval) is a success! Just because the Hindus happen to be doing the slaughtering does not make that model a success. Regardless of the ethnic group, the least casualty model would be more successful, which would put the British model way ahead of the Indian one.

Er, I don't remember stating that the Indian model is a resounding success.

Infact, the Indian model of secularism as "appease one and all, but abuse the hindus because they are the majority", has done more damage to the country than anything else.
I have posted an article explaining this viewpoint in the hindutva thread.

The British model hasn't caused disaster yet, but I'm certain its heading in that direction at a fair pace.

There should be strict laws in place to ensure that religious groups don't play the victimization and religious rights card.
 
RR,

There is a whole lot of difference in religious preaching and evil actions.

It is a pleasing to note that the Hindu fundamentalists (indeed if they are so) have not been disloyal to their salt, by blowing up the Underground railway or such horrendous acts that insult their being British!


So, where is the comparison?

As the adage goes - Sticks and stones may break my bones,but words cannot harm me!
 
The Muslim protests against the Danish cartoons in the UK were generally of similar composition.

But not the killing of the chap who was the originator!

Protest, if you will, but don't kill!

And that too in a cowardly manner!

After all, all religions claim that they are religions of peace!

Murder is not a peaceful act!
 
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