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EU humiliated by India again, forgets about the Italian marines.

France is a nation who protects her sovereignty feircely, they aren't going to imagine any threat from India. Russia directly threatened the security of Europe, India is not inclined to do so in such a manner- apples and oranges.


@dr.sen who do you think were pounding the Pakistani postions during Kargils? Mirage 2000s of course.

Russia threatened only Ukraine. Russia can never attack a NATO nation by her own. And now we have NATO at Russias border. In my opinion that one was imaginary for France.

Sir, I will have to respectfully, agree to disagree here.
 
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France is a nation who protects her sovereignty feircely, they aren't going to imagine any threat from India. Russia directly threatened the security of Europe, India is not inclined to do so in such a manner- apples and oranges.


@dr.sen who do you think were pounding the Pakistani postions during Kargils? Mirage 2000s of course.

Sirji, But the LGBs were Israelis, not French dont they?????

Which part of Europe is threatened by Russia????

Ukraine has large population of Russian origin, what you expect Russians to do?????

Ofcource Russians are not Indians which will heed their own people!
 
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Idiot now you drove away @rman120 . He is one friendly Pakistani who promised there are no Pakistani false flagging India.

Arman, yaar, its ok, we have Indians who use other flags to troll Pakistanis also. We always knew it. Hope you dont leave.
 
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Russia threatened only Ukraine. Russia can never attack a NATO nation by her own. And now we have NATO at Russias border. In my opinion that one was imaginary for France.
Well this is a matter of perspective. France has every right to define its own national security interests and threats and Russia has made Europe less stable one way or another no matter what way you look at it. India won't be doing anything of the sort for the foreseeable future.

Sirji, But the LGBs were Israelis, not French dont they?????

The LGBs were Israeli correct but the Mirages are French. Do you think the Mirages could have been so quickly intergrated with the LGBs without assitance from the French OEM?
 
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The Mistral deal has no relation to the Rafale deal, India is not Russia and vice versa. India will not be invading any European nation anytime soon so to make comparisons with Russia is pretty flawed.

The Mistral deal does have a relation with Rafale's deal with India but in a very round-about way. The Russians have been so hopping mad with the French that they have thrown in everything that they can think of, making sweet deal offers to India to derail the Rafale deal.
 
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I have been reading your posts here. You make sence. I opened a id just to say we need to ignore members like these. There are Indian members here also who will support Americans.

Hopefully we can weed these white worshippers out of here.
Count me in too bro.

You talk about unity and then talk in your language. We Chinese dont understand. Please write in English so we can understand also.

I propose we make sub forum, called Asian Union. Everyone who beleives in greater united Asia can write there without bad words for each other. And before allowing members there mods must check if they are trolls or not.
Awesome Idea.
 
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Well this is a matter of perspective. France has every right to define its own national security interests and threats and Russia has made Europe less stable one way or another no matter what way you look at it. India won't be doing anything of the sort for the foreseeable future.

The LGBs were Israeli correct but the Mirages are French. Do you think the Mirages could have been so quickly intergrated with the LGBs without assitance from the French OEM?

Do really France helped during Kargil war????

I know you are Dassult Fanboy.

Mirage-2000 were not gifted by France, we purchased them by spending "Tax payers Money".

Do know the facts before you Post.


Here is the Original Story:

http://www.vayuaerospace.in/images1/Selected_pdf/TheMirage2000LGBatKargil.pdf

The IAF had re-written aerial tactics during the summer of 1999 and it is required that the key factors be recorded for posterity. IAF Mirage 2000s were originally supplied with Thomson-CSF Laser Designator Pods, known as Atlis for use with Matra 1000 lb LGBs, which were purpose-built for the destruction of reinforced targets. These weapons, although highly capable, are very expensive. The IAF decided to augment their capability by employing the standard’ dumb’ 1000 lb bomb coupled with Paveway II laser-guided bomb kits, the IAF having ordered a number of these earlier, but supplied with an incorrect part, which was later put on the embargo list. Unable to get the correct parts sent as replacements, IAF technicians had to consequently remanufacture this particular part in order to make the Paveway compatible for use with the Mirage 2000.


LGBs utilise a common laser guidance and control subassembly, with only the aerodynamic surfaces (control fins

and aerofoil group) changed to match the particular size bomb. This allows standoff capability while providing precision weapons delivery against a wide spectrum of targets. The original Paveway bomb conversion kits become known as Paveway I and with the introduction of a new set of components in 1978, the latter became known as Paveway II. The guided bomb kit directs the weapon toward a target which has been illuminated by laser energy. The desired target may be selected by the bombing aircraft, a companion aircraft, or even a ground observer. The laser energy is reflected from the target and detected by the laser semi-active guidance system.


The system processes the information, computes appropriate control commands and applies these commands to movable surfaces to effect changes in trajectory, thereby guiding the weapon to the target. The system requires no electrical connection to the unmodified delivery aircraft and is delivered in the same manner as a conventional bomb. There is no requirement for tracking or lock-on before launch, which minimises the time required for delivery with concomitant reduction in aircraft exposure to hostile ground fire.


W h e n o n 3 0 M a y 1 9 9 9 , A i r Headquarters decided to commit Mirage 2000s to the Kargil operations, these

aircraft had already been moved to forward operating locations in their air defence role. The status ‘as of early June’

was that the Mirage 2000s, their pilots and technicians were spread around certain Western Air Command airfields and their home base at Gwalior. The Mirage 2000 aircraft had always been regarded as an air defence fighter with limited ground attack capability and consequently lacked certain resources such as bombs, hardpoint pylons, tooling, testers and ground crew experience in such matters. A major effort was initiated at Gwalior, under the AOC Air Commodore Padamjit Singh Ahluwalia, to get the platforms prepared and by 12 June the Mirage 2000s were ready for special operations The ‘backroom boys’, however, were 2000 kilometres away from the scene of action, the Aircraft System Testing Establishment (ASTE), at Bangalore, at that time in the process of integrating the Israeli Litening pod, a recce and target acquisition system, onto the Mirage 2000 and Jaguar. The trials were at a reasonably advanced stage, but the pod was still some time away from being inducted into service. ASTE Commandant Air Cmde

Parvez Khokar, a veteran of the 1971 war in the western theatre and a seasoned test pilot, called upon collective isdom of the professionals and the ASTE and then offered to make the Litening pod available to be used in Kargil. ASTE identified a team which would integrate the Litening system onto the Mirage 2000 with the weapons to be carried and also train a few No.7 Squadron pilots and technicians in order to enhance weight of attack. The three test pilots were

Wg Cdr R ‘Nambi’ Nambiar, Sqn Ldrs Rohit Verma and ‘Tee Vee’ Tiwari with Sqn Ldr Mantha, a flight test engineer, as technical authority on the pod. Along with group of highly trained and motivated armourers, these officers formed the core team, their charter identified and honed by professional discussions at the ASTE.


Sufficient equipment was obtained to clear Mirage 2000s for attack at any given time, capable of delivering LGBs. However enough ‘dumb’ bombs were not readily available, so a search was made of the IAF inventory. ‘Vintage’ 250kg bombs from the 1970s made-in-Spain for HAL Ajeet aircraft and since in storage were found and made available. A one-off trial was carried out from Jaisalmer over the Pokhran Ranges and was deemed to be successful.

These were immediately rushed into service with the Mirages of No.7 Squadron.


Initial missions were flown only using dumb bombs. The mission would depart and meet up with Mirage 2000 escorts

and then fly into Kashmir, with MiG-29s operating as top cover. The attacks took place initially on Pt 5140 near Tololing in the Dras Sector, with four strikes taking place over three days.


Daily interaction between the trials team and the ASTE formulated a strategy to put the pod into action expeditiously.

The Mirage 2000 centre line pylon was modified to carry a 1000 lb bomb along with a Paveway II LGB kit instead of the Matra LGB, which was prohibitively expensive and therefore limited in number, hence the prudent decision by Air HQ to save them for higher value targets should the conflict escalate into a full fledged war.


Credit must also be attributed to JWO BP Sharma, Sgt RP Singh, Sgt Kartar Singh and some other armourers who worked tirelessly to ensure the success of this ‘garage’ modification, then training of No.7 Squadron personnel and arming of the aircraft during the operations.


Tiwari and Nambiar were in the forefront of the attacks. The use of Laser Guided Bombs (LGB) in Kargil, Dras,Tiger Hill and many other targets with lethal accuracy, changed the entire complexion of the war and future operations.


Video footage showed the enemy abandoning their strongholds on hearing sound of aircraft, well before the weapons were even released. The high resolution FUR sensor recce capability of the pod was ably demonstrated by the accurate marking of co-ordinates of the Muntho Dhalo camp, the largest and main supply and reinforcement camp which was subsequently attacked with pin point accuracy and completely devastated.


Notable amongst No.7 Squadron’s some 200 plus attack missions were the airstrikes on Muntho Dhalo, Tiger Hill and

Point 4388 in the Dras Sector. On 16 June, the major enemy supply depot at Muntho Dhalo in the Batalik Sector was sighted by a Mirage on the LDP. The following day this was hit and destroyed by aircraft using dumb bombs. This camp was the major re-supply base in the Batalik Sector and this devastating attack left over 100 dead and 50 structures destroyed.


On 24 June, enemy command bunkers on Tiger Hill peak were hit by two Mirage 2000s employing the ‘Paveway’ Laser Guided Bomb (LGB). This was the first operational use on an LGB by the IAF. In another mission on the same day Mirages struck the same target using dumb bombs. This strike proved to be particularly effective causing severe damage to the enemy and also gave Indian Army troops on nearby hills a tremendous morale boost, this mission witnessed by the Air Chief himself who was flying backseat in another Mirage 2000TH.
 
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Soon. We need more members for the subsection. Try gathering more people. Only 5 is not enough
Start the thread for petition and we will have tons of member who want united Asia against western lead groups.
 
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Soon. We need more members for the subsection. Try gathering more people. Only 5 is not enough

Looks like evryone has an agenda here, but hopefully yours and ours are the same.
 
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When a skinhead kicks you on your face does he ask you, weather you are Indian or Pak?

Guess who invented the term '****', surprise, its the Brits not Indians.

Wierd to see how you like to kiss gora asś

Yes there is racism in England. Probably not as bad as in Pakistan and India though. Look what's happening in Karachi currently, look at Indian right wing rampaging and destroying Christian churches.

I'm an extremely independent minded person. Why should I support Indians over anyone? I judge people based on who they are not their race or religion. These ''goray'' are nothing compared to the hate spewed by Indians against Pakistan and Muslims in general.
 
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Yes there is racism in England. Probably not as bad as in Pakistan and India though. Look what's happening in Karachi currently, look at Indian right wing rampaging and destroying Christian churches.

I'm an extremely independent minded person. Why should I support Indians over anyone? I judge people based on who they are not their race or religion. These ''goray'' are nothing compared to the hate spewed by Indians against Pakistan and Muslims in general.

And please tell me why exactly do we Indians and Pakistanis hate each other in the first place? Something happened long time back, for which the Brits were responsible. Remember their own creation called devide and rule, it was so powerful that its effect lasts till this day.


I meant that the proposal sounds good to me. Alls good. It would be nice to have a subsection for Asian Union. Count me in!
 
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Read the text, I thought that you said that Indians killed those Christians in Pakistan. When I re read the post, I realized you were talking about us Indians and pakistans seperately killing Christians in our own country. Thus i deleted the part you quoted.

Read again the part you quoted, which I immediately deleted when I realized I missunderstood your post:

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Dont let hatred blind you so much.
 
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Yes there is racism in England. Probably not as bad as in Pakistan and India though. Look what's happening in Karachi currently, look at Indian right wing rampaging and destroying Christian churches.

I'm an extremely independent minded person. Why should I support Indians over anyone? I judge people based on who they are not their race or religion. These ''goray'' are nothing compared to the hate spewed by Indians against Pakistan and Muslims in general.

India has got to be the biggest racist country on this planet .sure racism exist everywhere but not to this extent ..i mean just look at the comment above you (how he wants to create an anti western group of some sort why not make a pro human group instead)?why must you be anti anything?why not be pro development/pro human? ..america nuked japan and it reemerged now they are one of the closest ally just look at Japan how successful they are no whining no crying just work ,shame on us south Asians we only cry an complain and blame everything on others conspiracy everywhere (oh the jews did it /oh it must be them evil missionaries ) :tdown: losers no wonder we are all a third world shithole we deserve it !
 
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India has got to be the biggest racist country on this planet .sure racism exist everywhere but not to this extent ..i mean just look at the comment above you (how he wants to create an anti western group of some sort why not make a pro human group instead)?why must you be anti anything?why not be pro development/pro human? ..america nuked japan and it reemerged now they are one of the closest ally just look at Japan how successful they are no whining no crying just work ,shame on us south Asians we only cry an complain and blame everything on others conspiracy everywhere (oh the jews did it /oh it must be them evil missionaries ) :tdown: losers no wonder we are all a third world shithole we deserve it !

Haha, a Pak member already proved your false flag, seems like you love humiliation at the hands of your own countrymen, and keep coming back for more.

Now your just insulting Pakistan.

If you have some respect left, go away, or change your flag to Pakistani and after that dont troll.
 
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