Esin: China completes the development of missiles capable of overcoming mis

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hmmm, if you are launching SLBMs closer to your enemy's shore, it is a different ball game from ICBMs that are launched from land over 10,000 km away because the time required for an missile defense system to respond is a lot shorter.

Launching an Intercontinental SLBM close to the enemy's coast isn't practical, since it will easily get detected and with its boost phase as a very vulnerable stage, you can easily shoot down it without the need of midcouse interception.

Do you know why the THAAD system in Europe poses a such big threat to Russia's ICBMs despite they are short range?

Because it is so close to Russia's launching territory, as they can easily touch the "boost phase" of their ICBMs.

 

[shuttler]

Launching an Intercontinental SLBM close to the enemy's coast isn't practical, since it will easily get detected and with its boast phase as a very vulnerable stage, you can easily shoot down it without the need of midcouse interception.

theoretcally an SLBM is more dangerous than land based ICBMs. Radar / sonar detections are another discipline to consider

Do you know why the THAAD system in Europe poses a such big threat to Russia's ICBMs despite they are short range?

Because it is so close to Russia's launching territory, as they can easily touch the "boast phase" of their ICBMs.

Are they successful in "boost phase" interceptions?

 

[Broccoli]

We are now trying to largely deploy our nuclear arsenal with DF-41 and JL-3, now he is still talking about DF-31?

This guy is deliberately belittling China.

Since when has China deployed DF-41 or JL-3? Chinese government certainly has not told what they have deployed.

What are your sources?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

theoretcally an SLBM is more dangerous than land based ICBMs. Radar / sonar detections are another discipline to consider

If the US nuclear subs want to attack China's coast cities in close range, then they have only two better choice, short/mid-range SLBM or nuclear capable CM.

Since US doesn't possess any short/mid-range SLBM, it is out of question, while the nuclear capable CM is their only option.

The Intercontinental ICBM such as the D5 missile won't be used, why? Because the boost phase of the ICBM/SLBM is extremely slow in flight, the longer range missile you have, the longer boost phase it got.

With such long slow flight, it will leave China more opportunity to shoot it down.

 

[shuttler]

If the US nuclear subs want to attack China's coast cities in close range, then they have only two better choice, short/mid-range SLBM or nuclear capable CM.

Since US doesn't possess any short/mid-range SLBM, it is out of question, while the nuclear capable CM is their only option.

The Intercontinental ICBM such as the D5 missile won't be used, why? Because the boost phase of the ICBM/SLBM is extremely slow in flight, the longer range missile you have, the longer boost phase it got.

With such long slow flight, it will leave China more opportunity to shoot it down.

Do we have supersonic CMs that can be launched from our Type 095 / 096?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Are they successful in "boast phase" interceptions?

The boost interception is the most effective method, but you need the geographic advantage.

For example, you need to move your missile interceptor very close to enemy's launching territory, but not every nation can leave this geographic opportunity to you.

China can easily shoot down the North Korean rocket/missile with a boost interception, because their territory is so small to hide their missiles.

When China moves its ICBM launching territory on the western part like Qinghai, no one could ever touch the boost phase of China's ICBM, thanks to our continental sized nation with very developed highway/railway, we can easily move our land ICBM troops to every corner of the nation.

Do we have supersonic CMs that can be launched from our Type 095 / 096?

Type 095 will be capable to launch the supersonic CMs, but Type 096 is still designed to launch the SLBMs AKA JL-3, the sea-based version of DF-41.

 

[shuttler]

The boost interception is the most effective method, but you need the geographic advantage.

yes of course the missile attackers will be eating their own pie

For example, you need to move your missile interceptor very close to enemy's launching territory, but not every nation can leave this geographic opportunity to you.

China can easily shoot down the North Korean rocket/missile with a boost interception, because their territory is so small to hide their missiles.

When China moves its ICBM launching territory on the western part like Qinghai, no one could ever touch the boost phase of China's ICBM, thanks to our continental sized nation with very developed highway/railway, we can easily move our land ICBM troops to every corner of the nation.

agreed but it is the most advanced missile interception technology

 

[shuttler]

Thanks Tiger for your inputs.

Well I have to go out for a while. See you!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

agreed but it is the most advanced missile interception technology

The most advanced interception technology is the midcourse interception, while the cheapest way is the terminal interception.

The boost interception is your luckiest way, but not every nation can leave this jackpot to you!

We can boost intercept the North Korean missile, but no way we can do this to India if it puts its launching territory in South India, which is too far away.

When its launching territory is too far away, we still have to rely on the midcourse interception.

The terminal interception is a painful way, even you shot down the nuclear missile during its terminal phase, but its radioactive debris will still fall onto your territory.

So, in this case, you cannot save your nation from unscratched, but to minimize the damage that could have done by the coming nuclear missile.

 

[shuttler]

The most advanced interception technology is the midcourse interception, while the cheapest way is the terminal interception.

The boost interception is your luckiest way, but not every nation can leave this jackpot to you!

We can boost intercept the North Korean missile, but no way we can do this to India if it puts its launching territory in South India, which is too far away.

When its launching territory is too far away, we still have to rely on the midcourse interception.

The terminal interception is a painful way, even you shot down the nuclear missile during its terminal phase, but its radioactive debris will still fall onto your territory.

So, in this case, you cannot save your nation from unscratched, but to minimize the damage that could have done by the coming nuclear missile.

We may not be expecting to intercept missiles from DPRK unless Kim goes to the extremes and wants to kill everyone in sight.

In respect of indian missiles, probably they will end up hitting the himalayas and finally level it.

 

[Audio]

Launching an Intercontinental SLBM close to the enemy's coast isn't practical, since it will easily get detected and with its boost phase as a very vulnerable stage, you can easily shoot down it without the need of midcouse interception.

Do you know why the THAAD system in Europe poses a such big threat to Russia's ICBMs despite they are short range?

Because it is so close to Russia's launching territory, as they can easily touch the "boost phase" of their ICBMs.

Russian doctrine was to disperse the mobile Topol TEL's from their bases which are around 1000 kilometers away from Polish border.
Furthermore, THAAD means Terminal High Altitude Area Defense. Emphasis on terminal not boost phase.

The below link is an example of distance from Teykovo (topol base) to Warsaw, Poland-~1500km.

http://www.della-uz.com/distance/?cities=28785,10742

There are farther bases as well, Yoshkar-Ola at 2000km for example.

 

[Broccoli]

Type 095 will be capable to launch the supersonic CMs, but Type 096 is still designed to launch the SLBMs AKA JL-3, the sea-based version of DF-41.

Where did you get info about this JL-3 SLBM? I tried to look sources but all I could find was random forum posts.

 

[Great China]

Since when has China deployed DF-41 or JL-3? Chinese government certainly has not told what they have deployed.

What are your sources?

Mr. Broccoli, it seems that you still haven't accepted the existence of the DF-41.

You are still thinking this is the DF-31, aren't you?
Well, keep it up. Maybe on Octber 1st 2019 parade you'll understand...when Chinese tv will officially tell you what this is.

 

[faithfulguy]

Trust me, the missile defense system deployed in Asia-Pacific is much powerful and lethal than those of Europe.

The THAAD system in Europe is nothing compared to the Midcourse System & Giant X-band radar that being deployed near us.

The nuclear arsenal of Russia in Asia-Pacific is weak, they mostly focus their nuclear force in Europe, if the Midcourse System & Giant X-band radar is specifically against Russia, then it should be deployed in the Atlantic Ocean, not in the West Pacific Ocean.

The mid course NMD is meant for NKorea missiles. Its not meant for Chinese missile. You can take that to the bank.

Where did you get info about this JL-3 SLBM? I tried to look sources but all I could find was random forum posts.

JL-3 exists just as much as India is trying to build AMCA before complete LCA. First, get JL-2 working first.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

JL-3 exists just as much as India is trying to build AMCA before complete LCA. First, get JL-2 working first.

JL-2 is working fine, and it is none of your business.