Erdogan's adviser - Turkey as a state is a non-Muslim country

[Numerous]

I really wouldn't. The reason I don't want to give you an answer is because you will cry about how insensitive it is to religion, and how I am not following God's book. In simpler words, a really long emotional condescending religious answer.

And a person who cannot respect the founding father of his country, then what stake he has to even talk about it.

Who said I don't respect him?

Unlike you, I just actually view him as a human. I will happily commend people for their good parts but I will never mindlessly support a normal human just because their picture is plastered around my country. If he had some ideas which were not good then I reject them.

Anyone can talk about him. Nothing wrong with it.

Jinnah isn't a prophet. He isn't Allah either. He is not above being criticised or having his views rejected.

Already playing religious card. The pure irony of your answer.

Not really, you quoted my post where I replied to longhorn attacking parts of Islam. So I made my position clear.

 

[Lincoln]

Due to capitalism and the protestant work ethic. Nothing to do with critical thought or philosophy.

It all boils down to money.

How exactly is Capitalism responsible for preventing Muslims from undergoing the same rapid change West went through.

It's really not money. If you study history of subcontinent, and the origin of Two Nation Theory, and the works of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, you would realize it was exactly what you call "useless philosophy" which prevented Muslims, the mindset and narratives set by "modern-living-in-the-past-day perfectionist saints." Nothing else. All countries which came above that and set up a system where religious leaders were under Government control, these countries progressed like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and UAE. In Saudi Arabia and UAE, your Friday sermon is even decided by the Government.

 

[Nein]

How exactly is Capitalism responsible for preventing Muslims from undergoing the same rapid change West went through.

It's really not money. If you study history of subcontinent, and the origin of Two Nation Theory, and the works of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, you would realize it was exactly what you call "useless philosophy" which prevented Muslims, the mindset and narratives set by "modern-living-in-the-past-day perfectionist saints." Nothing else. All countries which came above that and set up a system where religious leaders were under Government control, these countries progressed like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and UAE. In Saudi Arabia and UAE, your Friday sermon is even decided by the Government.

https://www.historycrunch.com/causes-of-the-industrial-revolution.html#/

Its basically capitalism not dabbling on useless philosophy.

Nobody cares about what ancient greeks said or the enlightenment thinkers and their desires.

Its all about money.

 

[Lincoln]

https://www.historycrunch.com/causes-of-the-industrial-revolution.html#/

Its basically capitalism not dabbling on useless philosophy.

Nobody cares about what ancient greeks said or the enlightenment thinkers and their desires.

Its all about money.

The thing though is that, we, Muslims were exposed to these resources in the subcontinent and we were provided that as well. But Muslims did not take advantage of that, which did boil down due to the mindset and narratives set by religious leaders concerning the opposing religion people.

 

[Yankee-stani]

https://www.historycrunch.com/causes-of-the-industrial-revolution.html#/

Its basically capitalism not dabbling on useless philosophy.

Nobody cares about what ancient greeks said or the enlightenment thinkers and their desires.

Its all about money.

You know why Muslims countries are mostly despised its cause many Muslim countries are poor if we all had the money and had a better mindset we wont this much hated tbh

Due to capitalism and the protestant work ethic. Nothing to do with critical thought or philosophy.

It all boils down to money.

ahhh the WASPS the Anglo Jew Lite folks man I hate the WASPS and Anglos so much

Muslim countries are in the state they are in due to missing out on industrialisation also giving up on war.

This allowed the Europeans and the West to advance.

Nothing to do with critical thought or useless philosophy. When you stop conquering and striving to be strong others will take your place.

Survival of the fittest as they or natural selection. Life is a test since we abandoned Allah, Allah in turn abandoned us. When your enemies were getting strong and advanced the various Muslim empires failed to pay attention due to ignorance, arrogance or pride since they believed they were more advanced until they were in for a big awakening.

The more Nationalistic Muslim Countries like Turkey,Iran(to a extent), Malaysia and Indonesia despite some govt and societal problems manage to eke out and survive because of nationalistic vison set out to its citizens well if someone brings up the Gulf Arabs well they hit the lucky jackpot Oil without that they would still be like Yemen today

 

[Nasr]

Lol, wtf you mean wrong. Holy shit, I write a one liner about China and USA and you reply a huge paragraph which goes on to Zionism, China, Russia, Capitalism, USA, Socialism, Jews. Wtf are you on about kid.

Your choice of words is a reflection in itself of who the real "kid" here really is. Watch your mouth and refrain from using foul language, or personal attacks.

The fact that you cannot make any sense of Zionism, their control of America, the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China challenging the Zionist-American hegemony, is evidence enough that you have zero knowledge of International Relations, Political Science, Monetary Economics or Islam. So I would suggest that you go read-up about these things before taking up any further debates.

Also, be careful of your behavior, it is a DIRECT reflection on your upbringing!!!

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Bottomline is that Turkey was created into a "Secular State" by the same Zionists who had successfully infiltrated and controlled the West, which consists of most of Europe and North America. And in case people do not know what a "Secular State" really is, well in a secular state God is no longer Sovereign, it is the Constitution. And Devine Laws are replaced by laws created by Secularism. For instance, homosexuality is forbidden in the Devine Laws of all Abrahamic Faith. Yet in Secular State, a man can marry another man and a woman can marry another woman, and that is defined as progress!

Pakistan is not an Islamic State and is dangerously moving toward becoming a Secular State. The moment we abandon Islam and our beliefs as Muslims, such Muslim states are either reduced to rubble (Iraq, Syria, Libya), or become pets of their Zionist masters (Saudis, Qataris, Kuwaitis, Emiratis, Bahrainis), or become the guard dogs of their Zionist masters (Egypt, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Morocco). Those countries who fight back to preserve their identity and faith as Muslims, are where we stand today, Afghanistan and Yemen.

If Pakistan truly wants to be faithful to Islam, then it must follow true Islam and do away with the "half-assed" efforts of being a Muslim State. Pakistanis among you, who have strong Imaan, know that no "brother country" is truly your ally, rather only God is. If such Pakistanis succeed in steering Pakistan toward a Muslim future. Then Pakistan has a fighting chance. Otherwise, on the day when Israel commits murder, all will become clear as day light.

 

[Dubious]

Pakistan is not an Islamic State and is dangerously moving toward becoming a Secular State. The moment we abandon Islam and our beliefs as Muslims, such Muslim states are either reduced to rubble (Iraq, Syria, Libya), or become pets of their Zionist masters (Saudis, Qataris, Kuwaitis, Emiratis, Bahrainis), or become the guard dogs of their Zionist masters (Egypt, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Morocco). Those countries who fight back to preserve their identity and faith as Muslims, are where we stand today, Afghanistan and Yemen.

Interesting how you forgot to categorize iran or do you actually think Iran is the only "Muslim" state that isnt under "some master"?

Do you actually think Afghani identity is Terrorism as they had shown?
Or Taliban (where women have no rights to name a few)
What are they fighting for in reality?

 

[azbaroj]

So your relations with other countries should be irrespective of ' Person ' , ' Party ' or any ' Sector ' . It should be based on country to country , no matter who is in power . Other wise Turkey will suffer losses for its foreign policy .

 

[Nasr]

Interesting how you forgot to categorize iran or do you actually think Iran is the only "Muslim" state that isnt under "some master"?

I believe Iranian Mullah Regime are more interested in their "Greater Persia" ambition rather than standing banner of Islam. The same way the Saudi regime, the Egyptians and the Turks are vying for regional dominance like a bunch of idiots. What's worse they're doing it under the pretense of standing for the Islamic World. Such is the state of leadership in the Islamic World, all talk and full of shit.

Do you actually think Afghani identity is Terrorism as they had shown?

The U.S military in Afghanistan is based on the presence of Al-Qaeda terrorist being there. The Al-Qaeda, under Osama Bin Laden's leadership were in Afghanistan. OBL was CIA's "Point-Man" during the Soviet-Afghan War. They (OBL/AQ) abused the Pukhtunwali honor, manipulated it to their advantage, dragging Pukhtuns and Afghanistan into this absurd, ridiculous "War on Terror." Because it is manufactured terrorism, because it is contrived and orchestrated. Pukthuns on both sides of the border were dragged into this war, by the puppets acting under the command or manipulated by their Zionist Masters. Afghans aren't terrorists, the real terrorists are the CIA, Mossad, MI-6 and their Zionist owners.

Or Taliban (where women have no rights to name a few) What are they fighting for in reality?

Taliban is a misnomer. Pukhtuns' beliefs were tainted by these morons who were under OBL, the Wahhabi'ists. Their influence soiled the pure beliefs of the Pukhtuns who are essentially a simple but fiercely faithful to Islam. I am a Pukthun, and I know who and how Pukthuns have been corrupted by the Wahhabi'ist morons.

Pukhtuns are fighting a liar (Zionist-America), a hegemon, a tyrant who has a history of using orchestrated mishaps to start wars. Be it tbe "Gulf of Tonkin", or "Operation Northwood", or "Kuwaiti Oil Glut in 1989", or the "WMD in Iraq".

 

[Dubious]

Pukthuns on both sides of the border were dragged into this war, by the puppets acting under the command or manipulated by their Zionist Masters. Afghans aren't terrorists, the real terrorists are the CIA, Mossad, MI-6 and their Zionist owners

Then maybe your idea of pukhtoon should grow a brain instead of being used like rags by everyone

 

[Nasr]

Then maybe your idea of pukhtoon should grow a brain instead of being used like rags by everyone

Well that is why, when those ISIS bastards started showing up in Afghanistan. They were shocked to experience merciless Pukhtun onslaught, killing ISIS, attacking them wherever they found them. ISIS started off in Pukhtun dominated areas, assuming they would be welcomed by so-called "Taliban" to fight against Western forces. Instead, Pukhtuns rampaged through ISIS pockets and demolished them. Sending "all foreigners" a clear message that it doesn't matter if you're white foreign military in their land, or an ISIS shithead masquerading around as saviors of Muslim world. None shall be shown mercy, at all!!!

 

[Aslan1071]

the state does not have religion.
you are Muslim. If you can, be a saint.
or change your gender who cares.
I live my religion the way I want. nobody interferes. what's wrong with that.
I do not understand you.

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