Erdogan's adviser - Turkey as a state is a non-Muslim country

[Timur]

there is no muslim country on earth- if there would be one the world would gather together to destroy it..


hmm maybe the taliban could count as one but they are not really a state..

 

[Lincoln]

Respectfully sir, how do you know what is the issue? What expertise or experience do you have to make such a bold claim about such a complex and specialized issue?

We need to stop being a people who has a two penny reply to every issue under the sun.

Do I need anything else except common observation? You look at Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia. It's as clear as daylight.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

A car, balloon, curtain etc. can not be ''Islamic''; neither is a state/country.

 

[Timur]

islam is din wa dawla

 

[Numerous]

Erdogan's AKP showed Muslims a model of how to get into power and how to maintain power. But they have failed to outright challenge secularists and secularism directly and that should be the next problem that needs to be solved in the Muslim world.

 

[dani92]

Erdogan is trying to lead an Islamic sahwa which of he succeeds turkey will become another Afghanistan

 

[Longhorn]

The function of a state is to rule, protect and administer the law to all it's citizens with equality and justice. It's people are free to choose their religion and are equal under the law as long as they respect the law and pay their taxes. A state's role is not to force people to adopt a certain religion, or discriminate against people if they don't comply.
That is my understanding of how a secular state operates.
That is also my understanding of how the Islamic state of Medina operated.
I don't see any contradiction or dichotomy whatsoever but what it tells me is that we Muslims have forgotten more than we have learnt.

 

[Lincoln]

Erdogan's AKP showed Muslims a model of how to get into power and how to maintain power. But they have failed to outright challenge secularists and secularism directly and that should be the next problem that needs to be solved in the Muslim world.

Turkey will never become that. Its fate as a secular state was decided by its founding father Kemal Atatürk.

 

[Numerous]

Turkey will never become that. Its fate as a secular state was decided by its founding father Kemal Atatürk.

He's dead. Life goes on. Countries change.

 

[Nasr]

China is facing trade war due to trade deficit, not because they wanted to buy oil in Yen. There's a trade deficit of $419 billion between China and USA, and so Trump doesn't like that. That is why there is a trade war.

WRONG!!! Zionist-America is tangled in a full blown trade war with China because China and Russia are challenging the Zionist-American hegemony in the Pacific, in the Middle East and in Eastern Europe. It is Zionist-America which encroached in Eastern Europe despite promises (more like lies) that NATO would not "move an inch toward the East" and yet today NATO has moved on Russia's doorstep in the Baltics and in Ukraine. Similarly Zionist-American hegemony encroaches in the Pacific where China's vital shipping lanes are threatened by Zionist-Western navies (America, Britain & Australia). Zionist-America is also arming India to the teeth (in the process making a killing selling India weapons), in order set India up as a punching bag when war breaks out against China. Zionist-America also avtively supports Taiwan, not because it is sympathetic toward the Taiwanese, rather because it seeks to undermine China's growth and dominance in the region.

Russia and China are challenging Zionist-America because they seek to do trade on an open, free and fair market. Whereas Zionist-America is threatening Europe to not to buy Russian Oil & Gas, which is cheaper to supply. Instead wants Europe to buy U.S LNG which far more expensive to procure. And when countries exercize their freedom to choose to do trade with whomever they wish, they are threatened by Zionist-America with Economic War. Capitalism has allowed Zionism to dominate and subjugate the rest of the world to it's will, because it is a tool of the Zionist designed for this very purpose.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

The function of a state is to rule, protect and administer the law to all it's citizens with equality and justice. It's people are free to choose their religion and are equal under the law as long as they respect the law and pay their taxes. A state's role is not to force people to adopt a certain religion, or discriminate against people if they don't comply.
That is my understanding of how a secular state operates.
That is also my understanding of how the Islamic state of Medina operated.
I don't see any contradiction or dichotomy whatsoever but what it tells me is that we Muslims have forgotten more than we have learnt.

Perhaps we need to dig deeper? A fundamental difference between a secular and Khilafa state is one is bound by divine moral principles. What is made halal cannot be made haram by majority opinion. Secondarily, the state's fundamental unit is family(or rather head of family) in other words the whole approach is different... state in other words is living breathing people instead of an independent(seemingly) heartless machine. Even in implementation of law ... one doesn't skip justice, divine that is, "Master of the day of judgment", the reason why sahaba preferred enforcement in life rather than the hereafter and confessed their deeds irrespective of how sever the penalty maybe. We are talking two fundamentally different approaches to life... a living and conscious one or a dead and mechanical...

 

[Longhorn]

Perhaps we need to dig deeper? A fundamental difference between a secular and Khilafa state is one is bound by divine moral principles. What is made halal cannot be made haram by majority opinion. Secondarily, the state's fundamental unit is family(or rather head of family) in other words the whole approach is different... state in other words is living breathing people instead of an independent(seemingly) heartless machine. Even in implementation of law ... one doesn't skip justice, divine that is, "Master of the day of judgment", the reason why sahaba preferred enforcement in life rather than the hereafter and confessed their deeds irrespective of how sever the penalty maybe. We are talking two fundamentally different approaches to life... a living and conscious one or a dead and mechanical...

Fine in theory, can't see many examples of it working effectively anywhere in the world. All most people care about is food on the table, highfalutin ideals come a very poor second. Ask any normal citizen which they would rather have and I can tell you what the answer would be.
Dogma never buttered many parsnips, my friend.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Fine in theory, can't see many examples of it working effectively anywhere in the world. All most people care about is food on the table, highfalutin ideals come a very poor second. Ask any normal citizen which they would rather have and I can tell you what the answer would be.
Dogma never buttered many parsnips, my friend.

Or, maybe it's an idea whose time hasn't come yet... humans have a propensity of carving golden calves ... so definitely a system that is based on greed and shows greener pastures with a possibility of achieving them in one's lifetime or die trying seems more plausible. But that doesn't mean an alternative doesn't exist... it rather means people won't open their eyes to the possibility until the bubble pops for one last time and for that to happen it must be inflated to it's maximum. I mean people really want to see what's on the other side ... they will and it will take time.

 

[dBSPL]

Turkey is a secular state. Freedom of religion and conscience is under constitutional guarantee. I thought everybody knew that.

But let me tell you something more surprising, Also the Ottoman state was an Eastern Christian state as well as an Islamic state, especially during the period between the Kosovo war and the French revolution. .

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Dr.. Yassin Aktay @ yaktay Advisor to the President of the Turkish Justice and Development Party: "Turkey as a state is not a Muslim or Christian or anything, is neutral to religions".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1142109042065780737

Where are the supporters of ummah chumma group. Who glorified erdogan into some sort of a messiah who would install Islam throughout the world.
He was more popular here in Pakistan then in Turkey based on fake social media and his fake accounts of being so so much Islamic.
Pakistanis as a nation need to change their attitude.