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Erdogan terms Pakistan Turkey’s best friend

Don't worry .. Unlike you we aren't backstabbers..

You even sold weapons to CIA to be used against your Soviet homies during the afghan jihad.. Even though you supported soviet invasion and were their chumps ..:lol:

:sick: same old blabbering from a false news makers nation. .. Ok now before you continue your verbal diarrhea, prepare some fake wikileaks for all the conspiracy theories on India then quote me. OH BTW i still support you on supporting Turkey againts Russsia as they are your brothers religiously and culturally ;) that would be the best thing that you can do.
 
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Yes, and then itnee jutiyaan khayien gey Russia sey, mazza aa jaye ga kasam sey!!
Then Turkey & Pakistan both will be in equal mess, and the promise of best friendship will be delivered.
When Pakistan was serving its punishment for over 10 years (between 2003 & 2013), when another super power US was bombing us from afghanistan, unfortunately Turkey was no where, no brotherhood statement, no support!!

Brother my foot! We are kind of people who look for masters, barely got out of clutches of saudi slavery and back to search another master



Turkey Supports Pakistan in Opposing U.S. Cross-Border Strikes


Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 212 Issue: 5
November 5, 2008 02:04 PM Age: 7 yrs
Category: Eurasia Daily Monitor, Military/Security, Turkey
By: John C. K. Daly

Many analysts have commented on Turkey's increasingly innovative and confident foreign policy initiatives, most recently its Caucasian Stability and Cooperation Platform to defuse tension in a region recently torn by armed conflict between Georgia and Russia. Ankara is now using its good offices in an attempt to quell violence in another volatile region, the Pakistani-Afghan border, where recent U.S. aerial attacks into Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) bordering on the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) have led to rising tension between Islamabad and Washington. The raids have killed dozens of Pakistanis whom Islamabad claims were civilians, adding stress to the two allies in the war on terror.

On October 27 Pakistan's Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani began a four-day official visit to Turkey. In Ankara Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan welcomed Gilani with full military honors at the Prime Ministry (Hurriyet, October 28). During meetings with Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul, Gilani discussed myriad matters of mutual interest, agreeing to sign framework agreements for cooperation in science and technology. Economic issues were also high on the agenda; the two prime ministers agreed to increase bilateral trade from its current level of around $700 million to $1 billion as soon as possible and to fast-track negotiations for a Preferential Trade Agreement. After three days Gilani flew to Istanbul to attend the World Economic Forum (WEF) (www.pakwatan.com, October 30).

Economic issues aside, however, Gilani's greatest accomplishment was to persuade Erdogan to agree to use the Turkish government's good offices to endeavor to rein in U.S. aerial raids into Pakistani territory. Gilani's press secretary, Zahid Bashir, confirmed to the Pakistani media that Turkey had informed Pakistan that it would use its "influence" as a NATO member and U.S. ally to attempt to persuade Washington to stop the U.S. incursions into Pakistan’s territory (The News International, November 2).

Not wanting to lose momentum from the commitment, Gilani dispatched Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to Turkey for further discussions. According to the Pakistani Armed Forces (PAF) Inter Services Public Relations, on November 4 Kayani flew from the PAF’s Chaklala Base, where he was seen off by the Turkish ambassador Engin Soysal, for an official visit to Turkey and Saudi Arabia (Inter Services Public Relations Press Release, No/2008-ISPR, November 4).

While attending the WEF in Istanbul, Gilani used the occasion to press home the fact that Pakistan was, in fact, deeply committed to combating terrorism. He told journalists, "We have the will and ability to control and fight extremist terrorism, but the world should also understand that although it is fighting under NATO with very sophisticated weaponry, in Afghanistan they have not achieved desired results” (Turkish Daily News, Oct.31).

Gilani also continued his discussions in Istanbul with Erdogan, where they joined Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Following the discussions, the three leaders subsequently issued a joint declaration that lauded "their comprehensive, cordial, and useful meeting on regional and international issues" and "reiterated their pledge to cooperate towards promoting peace, security, stability and economic development in the region" as it reinforced their commitment to cooperation in counterterrorism efforts (ARY OneWorld, October 31).

As the three leaders conferred, Turkey's Ministry of Foreign Affairs posted the 17-article Turkiye-Pakistan Ortak Bildirisi, Ankara, 27-31 Ekim 2008 ("Pakistan-Turkey Joint Statement, Ankara, 27-31 October 2008") on its website (Türkiye-Pakistan Ortak Bildirisi, Ankara, 27-31 Ekim 2008 / T.C. Dışişleri Bakanlığı Pakistan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs also posted the Pakistan-Turkey Joint Statement on its website ("Pakistan-Turkey Joint Statement," October 31, Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Islamabad

While the joint statement does not explicitly mention the Turkish commitment, Article 12 underlined Turkish support for Pakistani territorial integrity, stating:

Turkey expressed full solidarity and support for Pakistan's sovereignty, political independence and territorial integrity. Turkey also expressed support for the efforts of Pakistan to combat the menace of terrorism and extremism. Both sides decided to increase their cooperation in security and counterterrorism (Türkiye-Pakistan Ortak Bildirisi, Ankara, 27-31 Ekim 2008 / T.C. Dışişleri Bakanlığı


Both Turkey and Pakistan have had significant disagreements with the Bush administration about its actions in the war on terror, while the United States’ NATO allies have been under pressure to accede to U.S. wishes on everything from increasing their troop commitments in Afghanistan to Washington’s insistence during the April NATO summit in Bucharest on admitting Georgia and Ukraine into the alliance.

Ankara’s discreet criticism of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan would carry some weight, inasmuch as Turkey has been involved in efforts to pacify Afghanistan since November 2001, when it sent about 100 troops for International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) operations. Turkey currently has approximately 750 peacekeepers stationed in and around Kabul.

Nor is Ankara's intention to use its influence with Washington to ameliorate its "hot pursuit" policy of targeting terrorists in FATA the only international support that Islamabad has received. Another high profile U.S. NATO ally has also recently expressed mounting concern over the U.S. strikes into Pakistan. Britain's Secretary of State for Justice Jack Straw said in an interview with Pakistan's ARY OneWorld on October 31 that his government opposed any strikes inside Pakistan that did not have the government's consent, and he urged the U.S. to respect the sovereignty of its allies (Associated Press of Pakistan, October 31).

In the first seven months of this year there were five aerial violations of Pakistani territory by U.S. unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) Predator aircraft equipped with missiles. It is clear that the tempo has been increasing, as there have been 14 more since July.

In the most recent incident, on October 31, 17 people died and several others were injured in two missile attacks by U.S. UAVs in the North and South Waziristan agencies. Pakistani private television channels put the death toll far higher at 32 (The News International, November 1). The encounters are not without risk: on September 24 Pakistani forces reportedly fired on two U.S. American Kiowa OH-58 reconnaissance helicopters, forcing them away from the frontier. Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari strove to downplay the incident, saying that his forces had only fired flares as a way "to make sure that they know that they crossed the border line," adding, "Sometimes the border is so mixed that they don't realize they have crossed the border” (Dawn, Sept. 25).

Pakistani objections to the raids have been unavailing. In a recent BBC interview, security correspondent Frank Gardner asked U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates whether Islamabad had authorized the cross-border air strikes. Gates replied, "I wouldn't go in that direction," adding, "I would just say that we will take whatever action necessary to protect our troops” (BBC, September 18).

The issue of U.S. military operations in both Afghanistan and Iraq will doubtless be deeply affected by the election of Barack Obama as America’s next President. In contrast to the current administration’s “go it alone” policy, Obama pointedly referred in his victory speech to “alliances to repair.” Such an environment will doubtless allow the concerns of vital allies such as Pakistan and Turkey, as well as NATO, to receive a more sympathetic hearing. Its attempts to promote peace in the NWFP adds another element to Turkey’s efforts to promote diplomacy over conflict, in keeping with the dictum of its first president, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, who said, "Yurtta Sulh, Cihanda Sulh" ("Peace at Home, Peace in the World").


Turkey Supports Pakistan in Opposing U.S. Cross-Border Strikes | The Jamestown Foundation
 
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Pakistan should be proud of their ancient history without discriminating on basis of religion.
Sindhu civilization, Vedic history, Ashoka Maurya empire, Buddhism, Taxila university, Sushruta(father of surgerry),bacterian persian empire, Kushanas,

As Ammara alludes, Pakistan will always be confused nation if it doesnt accept its ancient culture and traditions.
Paksitani still are largely vegeterian society. Rice, vegetables, Chola, batura, paratha, dal, lassi, dahi, milk, sweets still form your core food items.

We do take pride on those things. We are inheritor of Indus Valley Civilization.

Man, Beef is allowed in Islam. Pakistanis are not purely vegetarian neither beef addict but they eat both and enjoy that. You might confused India with Pakistan where people tend to eat veggie and lynch man for eating beef. I love beef by the way.

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he is a

he is a crackpot who will take Turkey backward

He is the legend who has taken Turkey out of economic downfall.
 
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We do take pride on those things. We are inheritor of Indus Valley Civilization.

Man, Beef is allowed in Islam. Pakistanis are not purely vegetarian neither beef addict but they eat both and enjoy that. You might confused India with Pakistan where people tend to eat veggie and lynch man for eating beef. I love beef by the way.

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I like both beef:
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and Pork:
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but I love a good wine the most:
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and no one's sentencing me to eternal hellfire for it :partay:

:enjoy:
 
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You Pakistanis are Turk not Pakistani. I am feeling sorry for nationalism of entire world after reading your comments here. I wish I hadn't read your comments.

Persian watch your tongue otherwise another Amir Timur will come to teach you manners. How much sniffing did you do up the rear end of India recently, with the discussion of the gas pipeline bypassing Pakistan. Many Pakistani's have ancestry of Turkic origin.
 
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Don't trust to Erdoğan, but trust us. We are always with you.

Biz Pakistanlılar Sayın Erdoğan güvenmiyorum dedi Bro ...? O bizim aptal politikacılar için çok öğreteceğiz bir liderdir. O ilerleme Türkiye'yi getirdi. Dahası, TÜRKİYE bir liderdir. Türkiye'nin adam insanlar seçer hangisi olduğu farketmez. Türkler Onunla mutlu iseniz, sevgi ve Pakistanlılar liderine aynı şeyi bekleyebilirsiniz sonra ona saygı. :smitten:



Bro...who said we Pakistanis don't trust Mr. Erdogan? He is a leader who can teach a lot to our stupid politicians. He has brought Turkey to progress. Furthermore, he is a leader of TURKIYE. It doesn't matter which man people of Turkey elects. If Turks are happy with him, love and respect him then you can expect Pakistanis to do the same to your leader.
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Please. How exactly did China and Turkey help you in Kargil? But hey, your policy and outlook. America was your friend. I wonder what happened to that part of loyalty? And Saudi Arabia is more than a friend, but, I did not see you committing troops to Yemen. So keep the 'honour' talk for drinking sessions. Thankfully, your country seems to be coming to terms with reality.

I will not comment on the Lions part. Lest this turn into something else.

Already told you Pakistan Doesn't need the help of any country against India. Pakistan is fully capable of facing India with swift and equivalent response at any scale.

Also, being a friend doesn't always mean providing practical assistance in Wars. Only Materialists think like that.

True Friendship among Nations however in reality is a lot more than that. We as a Pakistani Nation consider the Turk and Chinese Nation as our Friends. It is a sacred brotherhood and an everlasting Bond.
 
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I like both beef:
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and Pork:
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but I love a good wine the most:
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and no one's sentencing me to eternal hellfire for it :partay:

:enjoy:

After seeing 2nd & 3rd pic, I came to know that why indian members over here talk rubbish and have too much brain fart. An advice : Don't post when you're drunk :nono:
 
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I love Turkey, I hate Erdogan.

However, I personally wish and pray that there is no further escalation, but to those Pakistanis who are saying we should favour Russia. Are you out of your $%&£* minds? Soviets are the ones who forced China to sit it out during 1971 when our country was being disemembered. Russia supplies weapons to India that kills my people in Kashmir. Russia doesn't give a $&%£ about Pakistan, it is only giving overtures because the western sanctions are hitting there mark. We are just another customer for Russia looking to make a quick buck. Russia's relationship with India will never change, those who think otherwise are living in fools paradise. Please study the current and former defence and civil contracts between Russia and India. Russia will never give us that status.

Turkey on the other hand, are one of the few geniuine friends (together with China) of Pakistan who havent exploited us in return for support they provided. I am not normally in favour of extending support to countries outside Pakistan and China, but Turkey is not a friend I want to lose. Everyone needs friends, Turkey is our oldest.

But again, my regards are for Turkish people, not erdogan the clown.
 
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Don't trust Turks........they are unreliable and can stab in the back any time. Kick them away.

o_O Are you Pakistani? Really? i can't trust you and also as you're residing in Russia, probably have drunken vodka. Come to your senses and then we'll talk
 
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I love Turkey, I hate Erdogan.

However, I personally wish and pray that there is no further escalation, but to those Pakistanis who are saying we should favour Russia. Are you out of your $%&£* minds? Soviets are the ones who forced China to sit it out during 1971 when our country was being disemembered. Russia supplies weapons to India that kills my people in Kashmir. Russia doesn't give a $&%£ about Pakistan, it is only giving overtures because the western sanctions are hitting there mark. We are just another customer for Russia looking to make a quick buck. Russia's relationship with India will never change, those who think otherwise are living in fools paradise. Please study the current and former defence and civil contracts between Russia and India. Russia will never give us that status.

Turkey on the other hand, are one of the few geniuine friends (together with China) of Pakistan who havent exploited us in return for support they provided. I am not normally in favour of extending support to countries outside Pakistan and China, but Turkey is not a friend I want to lose. Everyone needs friends, Turkey is one of oldest.

But again, my regards are for Turkish people, not erdogan the clown.

I rated your comment because of your love for Turkey & will disagree with you on Erdogan. He is a leader of Turkey, If Turks are happy with him, what problem we have got? You can disagree with Erdogan but you shouldn't hate him.
 
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Russia and China would never trust Pakistan.Both of these states hate muslims.
chinese alliance with Pak is only aimed to contain India. As India learns to engage with China, Pak would have to return into Muslim/Arab/Turkey & american camp.

India will be among few countries that will enjoy good relation with Russia, China, Turkey, Iran

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You seem to like to dream a lot ... lol lmao what a silly fairly tale you wrote keep on dreaming silly guy hahaha
 
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Without a doubt... Pakistan and turkey have enjoyed cordial relations and are increasing their bilateral trade as well as making their relations with each other stronger...

As for Russia if would be a foreign policy of disastrous levels of we isolate turkey for Russia. If there is any war between Russia or Turkey ( not gonna happen despite chest thumping) we should play the mediator role While supporting turkey and if you think turkey will fight that war alone then you are wrong. Apart from the obvious military economical and even trained mujahideen aid we will provide, the US will be fned before it allows turkey to fall to Russia... Turkey stands at the border of middle east the oil rich region and Europe and if Russia controls that passage then it has significant control on the energy supply... USA will never allow such a choke point to be closed so easily... That's one of the reasons why Turkey is a NATO country. Its at that strategic location which must be defended if US interests are to be safe guarded. Anyway war won't happen...

We should keep cordial relations with Russia while improving relations with Turkey to greater heights... Simple... Personally I like erdogan. :p
 
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