Erdogan says Saudi 'put pressure' on Pakistan to withdraw from Malaysia summit: Turkish media

[nahtanbob]

That's your opinion and here's mine regarding being more ' cheaper and pliant' you speak rubbish.

that is the only reason for non-Muslim Indians & filiponos

 

[waz]

that is the only reason for non-Muslim Indians & filiponos

They work hard?

 

[jupiter2007]

Like i said earlier.its the remittances..our people who work there..
..The only solution is to diversify sources of remittances to other nations and brace the impact.
Remember Gorgosh(UAE FM) he also issued a similar threat couple of years back.

What is the point of educating our masses? Why should we spend money to convert our unskilled workers into skill workers? We can use the same money and build another Orange Bus and Orange Train project.
This is what you get when our corrupt politicians only thinking about their pockets.

 

[blain2]

The fault rests with the Pakistani nation. We don't want bad relations with any Muslim country, however on account of a lack of revenue generation/tax receipts, we are constantly at the mercy of donor nations. The ignominy that comes with this is unbearable to me as an individual but our nation does not give two hoots.

Pakistan needs to have solid ties with the non-Arab members of the OIC with Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia etc. at the forefront. If we were economically emancipated, it would not be at the cost of the Saudis or any of these countries. Unfortunately that is a luxury we don't have.

 

[ARMalik]

Fellows, you need to be a bit careful here. This can be fake news.

 

[Avicenna]

Sometimes I wonder about the ability of the BD to be in all the camps.They are with India, China, US, Gulf and with countries which are with conflict with each other...

Double edged sword.

Also relative irrelevance of Bangladesh.

Also KL summit problems are a HUGE deal.

Illustrative of the massive division and convoluted state of the Muslim world at present.

 

[JonAsad]

Well as long as we have to rely on foreign remittance for cash flow the GOP is bound to come under pressure from the host countries.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1577391/saudi-arabia

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Pakistan to get bigger share of labor force in Saudi New Taif City megaproject*

Based on this news alone, more pressure to you dear Pakistan.

Saudi Arabia and GCC has pledge to help Pakistan financially in these difficult times of course that comes with some strings attached. We should be thankful. jhotay mun koi poch to reha hai..

Unless we are able to sustain the consequences we could not afford to do anything.

All the ghairat mand Pakistanis who bad mouth the Saudis or GCC countries should come out with alternatives or have their head checked. These western or ayatolla wannabe sheeps will ruin the situation further.

 

[Meengla]

Erdoğan is a very outspoken leader. He does not shy away from anything, especially bullying by states.

I haven't read all the posts in this thread to know what is exactly happening. But if Erdogan really spilled the beans then shame on him! There is nothing to be gained here--neither for Turkey nor for KSA and definitely nothing for Pakistan to have such things out in the open. Of course KSA would pressure Pakistan. Haven't we heard about the myth of the free lunch? Why wouldn't 'the Arabs' want something in return for their $$?? BTW, 'the Arabs' are way more than just GCC countries; don't insult hundreds of millions of people because a few of their un-elected, despotic rulers are fratboys.

 

[TMA]

Let us make this thing perfectly clear.

The largest Pakistani diaspora in the world is based in KSA/GCC. Millions of Pakistanis and their entire families have direct people to people relations with Arabs. Including 10.000's of intermarriages. On this forum alone we have 3-4 half Arab half Pakistani users.

The average Pakistani shares much more in common with the average Arab (in particular GCC) than the average Turk/Anatolian (unless they are Turkish Arabs) be it genetically, geographically (Oman is next door), culturally, appearance wise, alphabet, linguistic influence etc. Arabic is the largest contributor of Urdu and you can find significant Arabic influences in every native language of Pakistan. There is the Islamic/Muslim element too with Arabs being the first to spread Islam to modern-day Pakistan and later mostly Arab Sufis spreading it.

The elites of Pakistan and the GCC (military) also have much closer ties.

More importantly the elites of the GCC and the Pakistani elite does not always represent the Arab or Pakistani people.

Things are not ideal because neither of the two elites are fully representing the will of the people. Arabs and Pakistanis are not enemies and never were and never will be.

Not long ago KSA was voted the best ally among Pakistanis in Pakistan. This was posted on PDF as well.

As for this Erdogan claim, have in mind that Erdogan (MB) is at odds with KSA/Egypt/UAE/Sudan/Syria/Iraq/Bahrain/Algeria/Morocco/most of the Arab world currently. Not more than 2-3 years ago, Erdogan was calling Arabs/KSA brothers 24/7.

But look at it from KSA's part. We have been the most reliant ally of Pakistan. Helped you immensely economically (with little gain in return), funded your nuclear program, KSA and UAE were the only countries (along with China) to support you after the sanctions after the nuclear bomb test, hosts the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world (while KSA could easily have employed fellow Arabs, we don't lack Arabs, there are 550 million of us and quickly growing, let alone 1.7 billion Muslims to take from) etc.

To talk about Muslim unity while trying to undermine the OIC (where every Muslim country is a member) from 3 countries (Turkey where prostitution is legal, gay parades occur in public, large domestic alcohol/beer industry, recognized Israel, NATO (crusader alliance in most Muslims eyes at least on PDF), member, Qatar (no difference to KSA other than hosting the largest US base in the region, so much for being anti-West) and Malaysia (very pro-India with a lot of Indians) etc. Just because of some empty words about Kashmir that Pakistan (sorry to say it but Kashmir has been abandoned by the Pakistani state much like the Arab regimes have abandoned Palestine today) has failed at too.

KSA has a larger economy than Turkey but Turkey is not a small economy (20th largest in the world) as well but if KSA is such a demon, why does Turkey not host 4 million Pakistanis and help bail out Pakistan every single time like KSA has been doing? Where was Turkey during your most tested times?

All this after Pakistan decline to send a symbolic number of experienced mountain troops to Yemen that would be stationed across the almost 4000 meter tall Saudi Arabian-Yemeni border?

So not only should KSA be doing all that, it should look helplessly while the OIC is destroyed by people who claim to profess "Muslim unity". People cannot see the irony, I am afraid.

BTW this entire news is nonsense.

King Salman spoke with Mahathir and told him that there is already the OIC (every Muslim majority state is a member) where everyone can put forward every issue in the Muslim world and that there is no need to create more division in the Muslim world by creating organizations that will never be effective. You cannot talk about unity in such a fashion.

Not only that, I can only speak for Arabs, but most Arabs do not look favorably at Iranian foreign policy/meddling in the Arab world (only in weak Arab states that are at conflict, if anyone doubt the authenticity of that claim take a look at the massive anti-Iran protests among Iraqi Shia Arabs and Shia Arab Lebanese that have been ongoing for months) nor for that matter the Turkish meddling. Most Arabs do not subscribe to the MB model that Qatar is actively propagandizing along with Erdogan either. Egyptians are not content when wanted terrorists are broadcasting hatred while based in Turkey and Qatar and urging Egyptians to commit terrorist attacks against the Egyptian Arab Army which is respected by all Egyptians.

Not denying cultural, linguistic, racial or religious links. BUT the KSA is the Zionist Kingdom and a dagger in the heart of the Muslims including the Arabs....if the Arabs cannot see this then I pray at least Pakistanis can wake up and smell the coffee...

 

[JonAsad]

their un-elected, despotic rulers are fratboys.

what are the elected rulers of our other friends doing to help Pakistan? Turkey? Malaysia? Others? are they taking in our poor work force? investing billions in Pakistan? Nothing..
i don't know how stupid a Pakistani can get to understand the bigger picture here..
inki suntay reho to bankrupt hi ho jaein gay..

 

[Kaniska]

Double edged sword.

Also relative irrelevance of Bangladesh.

Also KL summit problems are a HUGE deal.

Illustrative of the massive division and convoluted state of the Muslim world at present.

Religion-based unity never works. Classic example is your country itself. It is nothing new that Turks are trying to checkmate Arabs and Iran is just enjoying the show of demise of influence of Arabs in Muslim world...All the successful groups in this world are base on either cultural simillarity or stategic interests. Classic example is ASEAN and NATO. In spite of Muslim majority country, Turkey is still a member of NATO and the same way, Malaysia and Indonesia are still part of ASEAN...

Turkey is just using religion as a medium to assert its leadership among a group of nations.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

It is a complete and utter lie by Erdogan, the statement that this thread is based on.

For starters, there was not any pressure, as King Salman already spoke with Mahathir and explained that there exists a thing called OIC where every majority Muslim nation in the world is a member of and where every member state is free to issue any statements and to talk about changes.

KSA and the vast majority of Arab and Muslim states are obviously not going to attend a conference where 3 of the 4 nations (Malaysia not included) is engaging in mischief across the Arab and Muslim world (according to many Arab and Muslim governments). This move has nothing to do with Muslim solidarity but a further division of the Muslim world (politically) and hosted and led by countries who have nothing to envy KSA.

The reason why this news is fake is very simple. KSA does not have the means to replace millions of Pakistanis overnight let alone within 1-2 years. Any such ideas are deeply unrealistic and would destroy a relationship that has lasted since Pakistan was born as a country.

Are people really this gullible? Is KSA really going to throw 72+ years of relationship with Pakistan (potentially) over some (let us all be honest here) completely irrelevant and ineffective summit where less than 10% of the world's Muslim nations attended? What was/is the outcome of that conference? Talk once again? Erdogan's words about Kashmir changed what on the ground exactly months ago? Now let us ask ourselves what KSA financial help did to Pakistan? Breaking news, it helped millions of Pakistani families, similarly KSA hosting the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world.

Turkey is substantial economy as well. Why did they not help Pakistan economically? It is very easy to make empty rhetoric without any strings attached or promises. Everyone can do that. When it comes to actual help throughout the ages, Pakistan can only count on KSA, China and UAE until time proves something different.

In fact I would love nothing more than a strong Pakistan with a strong economy. It would be a good thing for the GCC which is next door. Good for KSA as well and our economy. Pakistan does not have any insincere motives in the Arab world unlike Iran or Turkey either (they have failed and will fail in the future but nevertheless their meddling is still problematic and unwanted by Arabs) or the West for that matter.

Every vibrant economy in the world, KSA included, has millions (many expats), starting the largest economy in the world (KSA). This will continue to be the case.

 

[JonAsad]

f the Arabs cannot see this then I pray at least Pakistanis can wake up and smell the coffee

maybe you can ask your persian or western masters to provide an alternative?

 

[Kaniska]

Well as long as we have to rely on foreign remittance for cash flow the GOP is bound to come under pressure from the host countries.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1577391/saudi-arabia

*
Pakistan to get bigger share of labor force in Saudi New Taif City megaproject*

Based on this news alone, more pressure to you dear Pakistan.

Saudi Arabia and GCC has pledge to help Pakistan financially in these difficult times of course that comes with some strings attached. We should be thankful. jhotay mun koi poch to reha hai..

Unless we are able to sustain the consequences we could not afford to do anything.

All the ghairat mand Pakistanis who bad mouth the Saudis or GCC countries should come out with alternatives or have their head checked. These western or ayatolla wannabe sheeps will ruin the situation further.

Just ask you Turks and Malaysia friends to redirect few of their investments to Pakistan and evaluate their response against these Arab.

 

[TMA]

maybe you can ask your persian or western masters to provide an alternative?

You are assuming things.
If you think I am Shia think again.
If you think the Zionist Kingdom is not protected and nourished by their Western masters think again.