Erdogan says Greek islands ‘used to be ours’

[Attila the Hun]

I love Turkey

Thanks, we love you too!

 

[TeesraIndiotHunter]

WTF are you even talking about? Seems there are so many delusional people on this site.
You are putting Turkey wit France and U K in the same sentence? Seriously? Lool

Anyway, coming back to topic, I don't see why people are so woke up and emotional about this comment ERDOGAN made, its natural for some leaders to often make grandiose remarks which might be inflammatory for public opinion. I don't fit once believe this will ever translate into action. It's just normal rhetoric some leaders often engage in for domestic purpose. Happens sometimes even in western countries , so I don't read too much into this. The status quo will continue.

Your bullsh!t rants don't change the facts on the ground.

UK, France, and Turkey belong in the same sentence. In anything, Turkey exerts more direct influence outside its borders than definitely punny UK...

Experts/Professors of International relations and geopolitics from Yale University publish list of real G-8 (World's eight great powers: U.S, Japan, China, Germany, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran)

And they also published second-tier list. List of powers that can be great powers in future, and have the tools and will to go above and beyond their borders in terms of influencing world affairs..

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/01/10/power-rankings-the-second-tier/

Look at the list: Turkey, France, and UK are all listed in that list...

But you can sit here and puff like a little puppy to make yourself happy

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

if your going to play the "we used to own that" game you need to be carefull.

Greece might want some of its old empire back.

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Macedon is NOT greek, Please read up on your history.

 

[Vassnti]

Macedon is NOT greek, Please read up on your history.

Macedonia (i/ˌmæsᵻˈdoʊniə/ MASS-ə-DOH-nee-ə; Greek: Μακεδονία, Makedonía [maceðoˈnia]) is a geographic and historical region of Greece in the southern Balkans. Macedonia is the largest and second most populous Greek region, dominated by mountains in the interior and the port cities of Thessaloniki (or Salonika) and Kavala on its southern coastline. Macedonia is part of Northern Greece, together with Thrace and sometimes Thessaly and Epirus.

It incorporates most of the territories of ancient Macedon, a kingdom ruled by the Argeads whose most celebrated members were Alexander the Great and his father Philip II. The name Macedonia was later applied to identify various administrative areas in the Roman/Byzantine Empire with widely differing borders (see Macedonia (region) for details).

"For when Alexander wished to contend in the games, and had come to Olympia with no other view, the Greeks who were about to run against him would have excluded him from the contest - saying that Greeks only were allowed to contend, and not barbarians. But Alexander proved himself to be an Argive, and was distinctly adjudged a Greek; after which he entered the lists for the foot-race, and was drawn to run in the first pair. Thus was this matter settled."

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/alexanderarticles/ss/032211-Was-Alexander-the-Great-a-Greek.htm

Greek enough to be allowed in the Olympics

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Macedonia (i/ˌmæsᵻˈdoʊniə/ MASS-ə-DOH-nee-ə; Greek: Μακεδονία, Makedonía [maceðoˈnia]) is a geographic and historical region of Greece in the southern Balkans. Macedonia is the largest and second most populous Greek region, dominated by mountains in the interior and the port cities of Thessaloniki (or Salonika) and Kavala on its southern coastline. Macedonia is part of Northern Greece, together with Thrace and sometimes Thessaly and Epirus.

It incorporates most of the territories of ancient Macedon, a kingdom ruled by the Argeads whose most celebrated members were Alexander the Great and his father Philip II. The name Macedonia was later applied to identify various administrative areas in the Roman/Byzantine Empire with widely differing borders (see Macedonia (region) for details).

"For when Alexander wished to contend in the games, and had come to Olympia with no other view, the Greeks who were about to run against him would have excluded him from the contest - saying that Greeks only were allowed to contend, and not barbarians. But Alexander proved himself to be an Argive, and was distinctly adjudged a Greek; after which he entered the lists for the foot-race, and was drawn to run in the first pair. Thus was this matter settled."

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/alexanderarticles/ss/032211-Was-Alexander-the-Great-a-Greek.htm

Greek enough to be allowed in the Olympics

"The Macedonians affirm that:

1. The ancient Macedonians were a distinct European people, conscious and proud of their nationality, their customs, their language, and their name. The same applies to the modern Macedonians today.
   
   
2. The ancient Macedonians regarded the ancient Greeks as neighbors, not as kinsmen. The Greeks treated the Macedonians as foreigners ("barbarians") whose native language was Macedonian, not Greek.
   
   
3. Macedonia was never a region of Greece. On the contrary, ancient Greece was subjected to Macedonia.

"The ancient Macedonians regarded the Greeks as potentially dangerous neighbors, never as kinsmen. The Greeks stereotyped the Macedonians as "barbarians" and treated them in the same bigoted manner in which they treated all non-Greeks. Herodotus, the Father of History, relates how the Macedonian king Alexander I(498-454 BC), a Philhellene (that is "a friend of the Greeks" and logically a non-Greek), wanted to take a part in the Olympic games. The Greek athletes protested, saying they would not run with a barbarian. Historian Thucydidisalso calls the Macedonians barbarians, and so did Thracymachus who called Archelaus a barbarian who enslaved Greeks. Demosthenes, the great Athenian statesman and orator, spoke of Philip II as:

"... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave." [Third Philippic, 31]

The Macedonian "barbarian" defeated Greece at the battle of Chaeronea in August 338 BC and appointed himself "Commander of the Greeks". This battle had established Macedonian hegemony over Greece and this date is commonly taken as the end of Greek history and the beginning of the Macedonian era. Greece did not regain its independence until 1827 AD."

Taken from
http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianGreekConflict/conflict.html

 

[Saho]

Macedonia (i/ˌmæsᵻˈdoʊniə/ MASS-ə-DOH-nee-ə; Greek: Μακεδονία, Makedonía [maceðoˈnia]) is a geographic and historical region of Greece in the southern Balkans. Macedonia is the largest and second most populous Greek region, dominated by mountains in the interior and the port cities of Thessaloniki (or Salonika) and Kavala on its southern coastline. Macedonia is part of Northern Greece, together with Thrace and sometimes Thessaly and Epirus.

It incorporates most of the territories of ancient Macedon, a kingdom ruled by the Argeads whose most celebrated members were Alexander the Great and his father Philip II. The name Macedonia was later applied to identify various administrative areas in the Roman/Byzantine Empire with widely differing borders (see Macedonia (region) for details).

"For when Alexander wished to contend in the games, and had come to Olympia with no other view, the Greeks who were about to run against him would have excluded him from the contest - saying that Greeks only were allowed to contend, and not barbarians. But Alexander proved himself to be an Argive, and was distinctly adjudged a Greek; after which he entered the lists for the foot-race, and was drawn to run in the first pair. Thus was this matter settled."

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/alexanderarticles/ss/032211-Was-Alexander-the-Great-a-Greek.htm

Greek enough to be allowed in the Olympics

They hate each other and don't recognize each other. My Maco friend said he hates Greeks because they stole their lands and their history so what you said would be highly offensive to Macos.

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[-SINAN-]

They hate each other and don't recognize each other. My Maco friend said he hates Greeks because they stole their lands and their history so what you said would be highly offensive to Macos.

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Greeks kind of hates Macedonia as well......Once I used the word "Macedonia" in front of a Greek friend....he was annoyed and wanted me to use "FYROM" instead of Macedonia....

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Greeks kind of hates Macedonia as well......Once I used the word "Macedonia" in front of a Greek friend....he was annoyed and wanted me to use "FYROM" instead of Macedonia....

I think this discussion is moot, since the people today living in the area has little to do with
the people that used to live in the area.
Has been a lot of people moving in and out of the area during the last 2,500 years.

Greece has a province called Macedonia.
This contains most of the Area ruled by Philip, the father of Alexander.
It also contains Pella, the capital city of Philip.

I think FYROM are the history thieves.
They have very little claim and are trying to hijack themselves to glory.

 

[flamer84]

@flamer84 @MarkusS @mike2000 is back ... The best trio of empty-talk in PDF

Erdogan, the best single empty talk leader in the world.

Your bullsh!t rants don't change the facts on the ground.

UK, France, and Turkey belong in the same sentence. In anything, Turkey exerts more direct influence outside its borders than definitely punny UK...

Experts/Professors of International relations and geopolitics from Yale University publish list of real G-8 (World's eight great powers: U.S, Japan, China, Germany, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran)

And they also published second-tier list. List of powers that can be great powers in future, and have the tools and will to go above and beyond their borders in terms of influencing world affairs..

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/01/10/power-rankings-the-second-tier/

Look at the list: Turkey, France, and UK are all listed in that list...

But you can sit here and puff like a little puppy to make yourself happy

Turkey can't even manage terrorists at its borders while France projects its power throughout the world with interventions all over Africa,the ME.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Your bullsh!t rants don't change the facts on the ground.

UK, France, and Turkey belong in the same sentence. In anything, Turkey exerts more direct influence outside its borders than definitely punny UK...

Experts/Professors of International relations and geopolitics from Yale University publish list of real G-8 (World's eight great powers: U.S, Japan, China, Germany, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran)

And they also published second-tier list. List of powers that can be great powers in future, and have the tools and will to go above and beyond their borders in terms of influencing world affairs..

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/01/10/power-rankings-the-second-tier/

Look at the list: Turkey, France, and UK are all listed in that list...

But you can sit here and puff like a little puppy to make yourself happy

WTH? SERIOUSLY?
Some of you Pakistanis are the most delusional people on planet earth. It's either you people are Arab wannabes or Chinese cheerleaders or Turks admirers with an inferiority complex , no wonder your country is in its current state.
Keep embarrassing yourself on a public forum. LMAO

Erdogan, the best single empty talk leader in the world.




Turkey can't even manage terrorists at its borders while France projects its power throughout the world with interventions all over Africa,the ME.

To be honest, you don't have to badmouth Turkey because of that delusional Pakistanis cheerleader. Even the Turks here don't believe in his delusional cheerleading. So just leave it there. The guy seems to need help or Something. Lol

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

The islands are inhabitated by greeks.

Yes presently they are. But those Islands used to be inhabited by Turks as well; who were forced out.

Macedonia (i/ˌmæsᵻˈdoʊniə/ MASS-ə-DOH-nee-ə; Greek: Μακεδονία, Makedonía [maceðoˈnia]) is a geographic and historical region of Greece in the southern Balkans. Macedonia is the largest and second most populous Greek region, dominated by mountains in the interior and the port cities of Thessaloniki (or Salonika) and Kavala on its southern coastline. Macedonia is part of Northern Greece, together with Thrace and sometimes Thessaly and Epirus.

It incorporates most of the territories of ancient Macedon, a kingdom ruled by the Argeads whose most celebrated members were Alexander the Great and his father Philip II. The name Macedonia was later applied to identify various administrative areas in the Roman/Byzantine Empire with widely differing borders (see Macedonia (region) for details).

"For when Alexander wished to contend in the games, and had come to Olympia with no other view, the Greeks who were about to run against him would have excluded him from the contest - saying that Greeks only were allowed to contend, and not barbarians. But Alexander proved himself to be an Argive, and was distinctly adjudged a Greek; after which he entered the lists for the foot-race, and was drawn to run in the first pair. Thus was this matter settled."

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/alexanderarticles/ss/032211-Was-Alexander-the-Great-a-Greek.htm

Greek enough to be allowed in the Olympics

Macedonia is comprised of a 45-49% Muslim population.

 

[flamer84]

Macedonia is comprised of a 45-49% Muslim population.

33-35%

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

33-35%

That was for 2002 - it was in decline due to forced migrations but now it has been surging.

 

[flamer84]

That was for 2002 - it was in decline due to forced migrations but now it has been surging.

Some projections showed 40% by 2030 but they don't have a recent census.Your numbers are way off the mark for today and are pure inventions.

 

[Jaanbaz]

I don't care about Erdogan or politics but this is for Luigi who claimed Turks have no allies. They have over 200 million allies in Pakistan.