Erdogan: S-400 is a done deal. We will start co-production now and may work with S-500

[Kamil_baku]

The US has prepared for this for 2 years. We don't think you are bluffing, the Turks are not known for BS. But we aren't either.

Oh well.

It is famous in our culture, if we have a will, it is a shame to change it. Turkey is very serious to finish Syria coridor or PKK, They will do every tactic possible to stop it and CUlturally we are with full of suprises and thats how we enjoy the war..

 

[Philip the Arab]

That wasn't the point I was trying to make though. If Turkey exits ;

• The F35 will still fly
• It will still be used by the nations that already have them
• It will still sell some more

I'm not refuting any of this. What I am saying though is that NATO is weaker because the F35 isn't used by everyone. You lose Turkey and you don't have maintenance or refitting capabilities in that region. Your plane is now also more expensive to buy and maintain.

Some countries that were already on the fence with the F35 will undoubtedly decide against buying it when this happens.

So yes, the program will have much less airfields and maintenance centers and weapon systems to chose from as a result of this. The whole point of the program was to have a plane that could take off from the US and circle the globe starting from Europe all the way to the far east (I know they can reach China from the other side, not my point though).

If you don't have enough assets and logistics in place to maintain this then all you have left is a capable jet fighter that is 5th gen. Sure, that's great - but that's not why all this money was spent was it? It could've been done much cheaper.

TLDR : The F35 is in the balance right now with many nations in NATO that outright refuse to buy it because of expenses. When Turkey is out of the program that number will increase even more and therefore the F35 will not be the F-16 of the new age. It will just be a 5th gen fighter that some nations use. And that was not the plan. Hence why I said that if Turkey exits then the plan will fail.

Can't logistics be done in Israel? I'm sure IAI has the same or more capabilities than TAI. The only limitation would be the Arab states reluctance to go to Israel.

@Beny Karachun I want to know what you think about setting up a aircraft logistics center in Israel for the F-35 if it has not been done already. It could really help regional logistics if Turkey doesn't get their F-35s.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Can't logistics be done in Israel? I'm sure IAI has the same or more capabilities than TAI. The only limitation would be the Arab states reluctance to go to Israel.

@Beny Karachun I want to know what you think about setting up a aircraft logistics center in Israel for the F-35 if it has not been done already. It could really help regional logistics if Turkey doesn't get their F-35s.

Israel can, and will happily do so. After all this will add many high quality jobs, also it will allow Israel to repair/modify F-35s locally. Arab countries won't get the F-35 in the near future, and only those that Israel somewhat has ties with will recieve it, if ever.

 

[HammerHead081]

Bavar 373 for

You guys are an amazing country with such military hardware that is created by your own. The problem has always been, any deal made with you will sanction us. USA has truly fucked you.

 

[OldTwilight]

You guys are an amazing country with such military hardware that is created by your own. The problem has always been, any deal made with you will sanction us. USA has truly fucked you.

Its more like that others accepted USA as their master and themselves as USA sex slaves ....

 

[HammerHead081]

Its more like that others accepted USA as their master and themselves as USA sex slaves ....

The others have no choice because USA is still a superpower and the most widely currency that is used is USD.

 

[OldTwilight]

The others have no choice because USA is still a superpower and the most widely currency that is used is USD.

There are always more choice to make ....

anyway , Erdogan and his party lost latest election , soon He will relise if USA continue to play with Turkey economy , he will lose everything , so he will accept USA terms ...

probably they ask for co production of S-400 in Turkey , Russia will refuse this and Turks will use it as an excuse to cancel the deal ( a real face saving scenario for Turks ) ....

 

[MMM-E]

I'm sure IAI has the same or more capabilities than TAI

TAI has better capabilities than IAI

Turkey is the sole provider of the panoramic cockpit display and the missile remote interface unit of the F-35
also the center fuselage of the F-35 and KALE Aerospace is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine


5 Turkish companies support the production of F-35 / F135

-- Alp Aviation : manufactures F-35 production airframe structure and assemblies, production landing gear components and over 100 F135 production engine parts to include titanium integrated blade rotors

-- Ayesas currently is the sole source supplier for two major F-35 components – missile remote interface unit and the panoramic cockpit display

-- Fokker Elmo manufactures 40% of the F-35 Electrical Wiring & Interconnection System (EWIS) and will also deliver and support TAI with all center section wiring systems. Fokker Elmo is also developing the EWIS for the F135 engine

-- Kale Aerospace has been supporting the F-35 since 2005. In conjunction with Turkish Aerospace Industries, they manufacture and produce F-35 airframe structures and assemblies. Kale Aero also supports Heroux Devtek as the sole source supplier for all three variants landing gear up lock assemblies. Additionally, Kale Aerospace has also established a joint venture in Izmir with Pratt & Whitney and is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine

-- Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has been strategically supporting the F-35 Program since 2008.
The company currently supplies production hardware that goes into every F-35 production aircraft. In conjunction with Northrup Grumman
TAI manufactures and assembles the center fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and manufactures fiber placement composite air inlet ducts
Additionally, TAI is strategically manufacturing 45% of the F-35’s including Air to Ground Pylons and adapters which is Alternate Mission Equipment (AME)


Additionally, Turkish Industry are going to have significant Industrial Participation role supporting Lockheed Martin and Pratt and Whitney for F-35 aircraft sustainment and F135 engine production and sustainment.
Turkey has been given the approval to build its own F135 engines and was also selected to have the first European Regional F135 Engine depot overhaul capability


As warned by members of his own administration, U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to act in bad faith toward the U.S. NATO ally could backfire, as Turkey holds a valuable stake in the production of the F-35 jets

 

[cabatli_53]

US top general: We are negotiating with Turkish partners to solve the incident. They don’t want to lose a valuable partner from such a strategic program.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113352473903865856

Russian Defense commision head: We will not give up delivery of S-400 to Turkey but the Refusal of Turkey (from the S-400 Triumph - IF) cannot be ruled out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113163039069626369

 

[MMM-E]

Erdogan and his party lost latest election , soon He will relise if USA continue to play with Turkey economy , he will lose everything , so he will accept USA terms ...

stop lying

ERDOGAN and his party won election around Turkey

AKP + MHP : 51,6%
CHP + IP : 37,5% including terrorist FETO and HDP/PKK votes

AK Party set to win 24 out of 39 districts in Istanbul, CHP leads in 14 ( MHP set to win 1 out of 39 districts )
AK Party set to win 19 out of 25 districts in Ankara, CHP leads in 3 ( MHP set to win 3 out of 25 districts )

the AK Party has won in over 575 out of 1,046 total municipalities in Turkey


and there are serious irregularities that may change the election results in Istanbul and AK Party is ready to prove them all


the US+FETO terror organization are trying another coup attempt in Turkey

-- Judical coup attempt by FETO in 2013
-- Military coup attempt by FETO in 2016
-- Election coup attempt by FETO in 2019






ERDOGAN is fighting with the US,Israel,the EU and their terrorists PKK/YPG , DHKPC and FETO since 2013
and ERDOGAN will rule Turkey until june 2023 and in 2023 ERDOGAN again will win election because of AKP+MHP never lose around Turkey


ERDOGAN made Turkey industrialized and developed country in the last 15 years

Turkey's GDP Nominal $230 billion by 2003 ( 10x Turkey = 1x Germany )
Turkey's GDP Nominal $860 billion by 2013 ( 4x Turkey = 1x Germany )

and in 2013 ERDOGAN said that We have vission 2023 to become one of top 10 biggest economy in the world

so since 2013 Turkey and Turkish Economy under attack by the US , Israel , the EU and their terrorist friends PKK/YPG , DHKPC , ISIS and FETO

1 USD has risen to $5,4 TL from 1,8 TL between 2013 and 2018
Turkish currency dropped by 300% since 2013 , if not Turkey would have $1,8 trillion of GDP Nominal today

even in 2018 TRUMP attacked Turkısh economy and 1 USD has risen to $7,2 TL from 3,8 TL in a few months
and Turkey's GDP Nominal lost $230 billion in 2018

$230 billion = about 75% of Pakistan's GDP Nominal or 65% of Iran's GDP Nominal

 

[Philip the Arab]

TAI has better capabilities than IAI

Turkey is the sole provider of the panoramic cockpit display and the missile remote interface unit of the F-35
also the center fuselage of the F-35 and KALE Aerospace is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine


5 Turkish companies support the production of F-35 / F135

-- Alp Aviation : manufactures F-35 production airframe structure and assemblies, production landing gear components and over 100 F135 production engine parts to include titanium integrated blade rotors

-- Ayesas currently is the sole source supplier for two major F-35 components – missile remote interface unit and the panoramic cockpit display

-- Fokker Elmo manufactures 40% of the F-35 Electrical Wiring & Interconnection System (EWIS) and will also deliver and support TAI with all center section wiring systems. Fokker Elmo is also developing the EWIS for the F135 engine

-- Kale Aerospace has been supporting the F-35 since 2005. In conjunction with Turkish Aerospace Industries, they manufacture and produce F-35 airframe structures and assemblies. Kale Aero also supports Heroux Devtek as the sole source supplier for all three variants landing gear up lock assemblies. Additionally, Kale Aerospace has also established a joint venture in Izmir with Pratt & Whitney and is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine

-- Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has been strategically supporting the F-35 Program since 2008.
The company currently supplies production hardware that goes into every F-35 production aircraft. In conjunction with Northrup Grumman
TAI manufactures and assembles the center fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and manufactures fiber placement composite air inlet ducts
Additionally, TAI is strategically manufacturing 45% of the F-35’s including Air to Ground Pylons and adapters which is Alternate Mission Equipment (AME)


Additionally, Turkish Industry are going to have significant Industrial Participation role supporting Lockheed Martin and Pratt and Whitney for F-35 aircraft sustainment and F135 engine production and sustainment.
Turkey has been given the approval to build its own F135 engines and was also selected to have the first European Regional F135 Engine depot overhaul capability


As warned by members of his own administration, U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to act in bad faith toward the U.S. NATO ally could backfire, as Turkey holds a valuable stake in the production of the F-35 jets

All of those production items could be made in the US or other NATO ally such as BAE easily. Again its easy to replace you guys as a producer.

 

[Ceylal]

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Speaking in a televised interview, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Ankara and Moscow have finalized the agreement on Turkey buying the S-400 missile system.

"We concluded the S-400 issue, signed a deal with the Russians, and will start co-production. Later, we may work with S-500s," the next generation system, Erdogan said.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-buying-russian-s-400s-a-done-deal-erdogan/1411168#

Erdogan is just Erdogan..He is just posturing, he can’t walk away from NATO and from the F35 deal...The S400 has never been in the Sultan cards..The Russian are not that stupid and they are just playing a long because it suits them..

 

[MMM-E]

All of those production items could be made in the US or other NATO ally such as BAE easily. Again its easy to replace you guys as a producer.

Our national security and interests are much more important than F-35

btw the US can not replace Turkey's importance in the region with other countries
Turkey will not lose many things but the US will lose many things

Turkey has money to buy Fighter Jets from Russia and Europe ... and Turkey develops its own stealth Fighter Jet and stealth UCAV ... no big problem