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Erdogan protects UN designated terrorist group

Who? UNSC can draft a resolution and kill any head of state. Like what happened to Gaddafi in 2011.

The US/NATO would do it either way with or without the UN. The Iraq war was technically illegal yet they still went in. They go to the UN first so it seems legitimate.
 
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Let us forget foreign involvement in Syria.

I am talking about Turkey annexing sovereign Syrian land (Al-Bab and Afrin), albeit tiny, and you are not addressing my legitimate and sane points about this topic and the hypocrisy of Erdogan and Turkey on this front.

That is wrong. Al-Maliki is no longer ruling. Al-Abadi has proven this wrong. Let @OutOfAmmo explain this to you. There is a problem with Mullah aligned traitors and terrorist entities but that problem would have been 100 times bigger under the cretin Al-Maliki.

Well, same story with numerous other regions of the Muslim world. For Turks it is Xinjiang, for Bangladeshis it is Rohingya, for Chechens and Caucasian Muslims it is Chechnya and Dagestan and the list is long.


The timing and declaration of the involvemnt is crystal clear. However, almost 1 million combatant males in 3.5+ million Syrians in Turkey is more hypocrite than any arguments in any fields you can put forward on the name of Arabs against Turks.

Palestine is a common problem for every muslim and non-muslim as much other problematic muslim regions; You have repeatedly mentioned Turks voices for Palestine, but unfortunately i cannot mention the same by Arabs for East Turkestan.
 
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Great Idlib survival is Turkey condition to keep her Border safe.
ASSad and Iran will attempt to get in Idlib... Something Russia isn't very happy about it since TR and RU need their mutual relation on the regional and International stage.

Syrian "Nation" is long gone...the moment his retarded Dictator let Half a Million of his people die... So it's whoever got the balls and the mean to, shall just carve a bit for himself...

The US/TR or any other country who wish to get in... Many Syrian prefer that, than not knowing if the next barrel bomb will be falling on their Head...

Idlib security or at least "autonomy" will be TR challenge in the Future... Whatever they have the political power to maintain their "position" in the region... aka a country that can't fulfill his words...isn't a country to take as an ally...

And Last,the Great Idlib security is one of Erdogan political message... to send back Syrian refugees in a safe environment...

Here we go. An fellow Arab supporting the division of a sovereign Arab country that happens to have been taken hostage by a unelected regime (Al-Assad).o_O

So if it is OK by Turkey to "annex" (in theory almost) Syrian territory why not give the same right to the Mullah regime, Russia and the US? What's the point then?

Imagine if Tunisia was in a similar position and fellow Arabs were talking about the Tunisian nation no longer existing and it being good that Tunisia is being swallowed by Algeria, Libya and Italy.

The Al-Assad (like any regime in the world) is on loan. They won't rule forever. However Syrians will not disappear unless almost 30 million people get killed. Why do you want to deny them their own sovereign country thinking that foreign entities will care about Syrian interests before their own?

The timing and declaration of the involvemnt is crystal clear. However, almost 1 million combatant males in 3.5+ million Syrians in Turkey is more hypocrite than any arguments in any fields you can put forward on the name of Arabs against Turks.

Palestine is a common problem for every muslim and non-muslim as much other problematic muslim regions; You have repeatedly mentioned Turks voices for Palestine, but unfortunately i cannot mention the same by Arabs for East Turkestan.

You do realize that Arab states (Jordan, Lebanon, KSA etc.) host more Syrian refugees combined than Turkey does? With much less resources (Lebanon and Jordan in particular)? Did you know that in those two Arab countries alone the Syrian refugees make up 1/5/1-3 of the ENTIRE population? Imagine 20 million Syrian refugees in Turkey right now.

What has hosting Syrian refugees (after being a key part in the Syrian civil war and having the largest border with Syria) to do with it being legitimate to annex sovereign Syrian land? What makes you different from Israel (Golan)? Israelis also use increased security and better living standards (supposedly) as an excuse to annex Golan. They (Israeli Zionists) use similar arguments when new settlements are built in the West Bank.

Where is the Turkish government voicing opinions about Xinjiang? Never seen it. Today I read news of China loaning you guys (Erdogan government) 4 billion USD and Turkey putting some Uighur group on their terrorist list. I never heard a single word from Turkey about the conditions of Uighurs in China. Also what is going on there that is comparable to Palestine? BTW I am sure that Arab Islamists care.
 
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Or what about crying about Kurdish atunomoy in Syria while the same Erdogan was the greatest supporter of Barzanistan (politically and economically) while undermining Baghdad?

if you read the turkish section you will realize that many turkish users including me are all totally against north iraq in the hands of a kurdish clan.. some do not see it bad but that is very dangerous and a bad thing I would see it better in the hands of the central government.. but I fear to much iranian influence..

f it is ok to invade sovereign Syrian territory (Afrin and Al-Bab) why even talk about the Kurdish issue to begin with? Turkey can invade Syrian territory but when Kurdish terrorists group attempt to do the same in Eastern and Northern Syria, it becomes haram? Notice that I am against both as I wrote initially.

this issue is very complicated.. turkey supports the fsa and use them to legislate all actions.. but yes all actions have to be done for our national security.. if you have ever viseted the turkish section you will notice that many ppl are very angry about our foreign affairs.. specially to not do anything and let pkk/pyd get stronger with a fake peace process or actually help them in ayn al arab.. PYD should have been crushed like north barzani kurdistan should be crushed.. but as I mentioned before the mullahs are not much better.. I know that today the influence of iran in iraq is a little bit lesser than in the beginning of all this conflict but still i fear it could change.. but this does not change my mind on crushing barzani kurdistan it will bite back in the future..

you generalize our ppl but the reality is many are not comfort with the situation the terrorists who cleaned ayn al arab from everything wich is not kurdish and did same in other regions should be eliminated..they are also the enemies of arabs..but for now at least their dream of syria and iraq being one kurdistan together is over and they are like seperated , but for most turkish users here this is not enough we would like to see more against PYD

Why cry and bark against Israel (Palestine) when Erdogan is doing the same in Syria. Ironically as Israel has been doing for decades in Golan.

babbling against israel is like sport.. he does it to get some public votes and to please some ppl mostly its for internal politics..

also you cannot compare israel and syria.. while we are not fighting against arabs we are fighting with arabs against pyd.. thats totally a different thing.. also we are currently building up the civilian infrastructure in this pkk free areas.. including hospitals.. compare russians and saa bombings with ours it not about total destruction and mass killing.. its against one certain terrorist organisation.. be fair plz

find Erdogan to be a hypocrite and don't like his policies in Syria and Iraq

as I said before many turkish ppl dont like our foreign policy too.. but for syria we have to be much harder and do more.. specially against PKK/PYD the actual situation is worse in my eyes.. they should have been eliminated far before ayn al arab.. we should have had a buffer zone for syrian refugees years before


Do you understand why Arabs who focus more on the well-being of Arabs states and the Arab world

if you really focus on the well being of arabs and not your own.. than I cant understand that you can see the faults of others but you dont complain about gcc arabs who spoiled and filled the syrian war including many other arab states that went throug fitnah.. I really miss that in your writings and that is the thing that makes you in my eyes flawed.. really you would be much more credible if you would not write your onesided postings


for turkey its essential to strike pkk and pyd in syria and iraq for our own security.. yes problems were not only made from outside our politicians have errors by not doing much against pkk and so on.. but for now they need to be cleansed.. and our army did it well in syria..

you should be more worried about kurds annexing syrian lands than turks who have settled there arabs
 
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We don't want 4 million more Syrian refugees to come Turkey, that doesn't mean we support terrorist wtf. This guy keeps doing this false flag topics like forever yet he still can get away with this o_O
 
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Here we go. An fellow Arab supporting the division of a sovereign Arab country that happens to have been taken hostage by a unelected regime (Al-Assad).o_O

So if it is OK by Turkey to "annex" (in theory almost) Syrian territory why not give the same right to the Mullah regime, Russia and the US? What's the point then?

Imagine if Tunisia was in a similar position and fellow Arabs were talking about the Tunisian nation no longer existing and it being good that Tunisia is being swallowed by Algeria, Libya and Italy.

The Al-Assad (like any regime in the world) is on loan. They won't rule forever. However Syrians will not disappear unless almost 30 million people get killed. Why do you want to deny them their own sovereign country thinking that foreign entities will care about Syrian interests before their own?

If By any Chance Ben Ali choose to behave as ASSad... and that Tunisians kept dying just to not "accept" a foreign country to help/shelter or whatever...just for the sake of not Partitioning Tunisia...Then they earned their foolish death...

ASSad is a mass murderer... Syrians flew by millions in next door countries and Europe and most of them are treated as garbage humans... Then how come you still speak of "unity"?

Let's get thing straight... You and Me are not in their position, I, in my case don't know what's it's like to lose all your family and most of the time finding them in pieces beyond recognition... I will mostly accept any "foreign" help at any price, just to protect what little family I've got left...

In the End, yes... Partition or not... there is no honor to keep dying when YOUR OWN DICTATOR is killing you... like simple cockroaches... I will understand if it's a foreign invasion/war etc... but not for Civil wars...

Whoever can give a piece of security/safety to civilians, then whoever that country could be, I will not care, if they take a part of that land.
 
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If By any Chance Ben Ali choose to behave as ASSad... and that Tunisians kept dying just to not "accept" a foreign country to help/shelter or whatever...just for the sake of not Partitioning Tunisia...Then they earned their foolish death...

ASSad is a mass murderer... Syrians flew by millions in next door countries and Europe and most of them are treated as garbage humans... Then how come you still speak of "unity"?

Let's get thing straight... You and Me are not in their position, I, in my case don't know what's it's like to lose all your family and most of the time finding them in pieces beyond recognition... I will mostly accept any "foreign" help at any price, just to protect what little family I've got left...

In the End, yes... Partition or not... there is no honor to keep dying when YOUR OWN DICTATOR is killing you... like simple cockroaches... I will understand if it's a foreign invasion/war etc... but not for Civil wars...

Whoever can give a piece of security/safety to civilians, then whoever that country could be, I will not care, if they take a part of that land.

Arab blood is cheap, it doesn´t matter as you read. That country should stay in the hands of Arab, be a rightfull leader or a Tiran:-) who kills his own people to stay in power.
 
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If By any Chance Ben Ali choose to behave as ASSad... and that Tunisians kept dying just to not "accept" a foreign country to help/shelter or whatever...just for the sake of not Partitioning Tunisia...Then they earned their foolish death...

ASSad is a mass murderer... Syrians flew by millions in next door countries and Europe and most of them are treated as garbage humans... Then how come you still speak of "unity"?

Let's get thing straight... You and Me are not in their position, I, in my case don't know what's it's like to lose all your family and most of the time finding them in pieces beyond recognition... I will mostly accept any "foreign" help at any price, just to protect what little family I've got left...

In the End, yes... Partition or not... there is no honor to keep dying when YOUR OWN DICTATOR is killing you... like simple cockroaches... I will understand if it's a foreign invasion/war etc... but not for Civil wars...

Whoever can give a piece of security/safety to civilians, then whoever that country could be, I will not care, if they take a part of that land.

Because the country and your ancestral land is always above whatever regime that is ruling you or hardships that you face.

Using your logic, Russians should have given their country on a plate to Nazis. Poles the same and tons of other examples.

Yes, which is why I speak from an fellow Arabs point of view.

I am all for Turkey or whatever country helping Syrians but I am against ANY country annexing Syrian territory because that is a dangerous precedent and if we as Arabs are silent about this, don't be surprised to see this being repeated/or at least tried to be repeated elsewhere.

In my view there is no difference between what Israel did with Golan and what Turkey is doing with Afrin and Al-Bab.

Look, I consider the Al-Assad regime as a trash regime (anyone that knows me on PDF will testify to this) but that does not mean that the Syrian opposition are saints either or that Al-Assad is killing ordinary Syrians for fun in Damascus and elsewhere.

Well, I just don't like hypocrisy and as far as I am aware Erdogan and Erdogan-ruled Turkey is very high on the hypocrisy list.
 
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So if it is OK by Turkey to "annex" (in theory almost) Syrian territory why not give the same right to the Mullah regime, Russia and the US? What's the point then?
Im not in favor of any annexation yet the locals gave up on help from anybody except Turkey, you gotta ask yourself why the locals themselves prefer Turkish presence on Arab soil.

 
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Because the country and your ancestral land is always above whatever regime that is ruling you or hardships that you face.

Using your logic, Russians should have given their country on a plate to Nazis. Poles the same and tons of other examples.

Yes, which is why I speak from an fellow Arabs point of view.

I am all for Turkey or whatever country helping Syrians but I am against ANY country annexing Syrian territory because that is a dangerous precedent and if we as Arabs are silent about this, don't be surprised to see this being repeated/or at least tried to be repeated elsewhere.

In my view there is no difference between what Israel did with Golan and what Turkey is doing with Afrin and Al-Bab.

Look, I consider the Al-Assad regime as a trash regime (anyone that knows me on PDF will testify to this) but that does not mean that the Syrian opposition are saints either or that Al-Assad is killing ordinary Syrians for fun in Damascus and elsewhere.

Well, I just don't like hypocrisy and as far as I am aware Erdogan and Erdogan-ruled Turkey is very high on the hypocrisy list.

Like I said... YOur Russian/Nazis exemple isn't part of the condition... If it's Foreign as stated by me previously, I understand, but for Syria, it's a Civil war... Therefore ancestral land will not give back or protect your Kids/Parents/wife/family lifes...

As for Annexation, no Country in the region did so... Neither the US, TR or IR... They just got proxies, that they feed to keep their influence , nothing more nothing less...

As for if they are doing it for Syrians or to gain something later, the Result for Civilian is the same... "If I'm safe, then it's ok"
 
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Im not in favor of any annexation yet the locals gave up on help from anybody except Turkey, you gotta ask yourself why the locals themselves prefer Turkish presence on Arab soil.


Same asking why the people of Latakia rejoice when they see Russians coming to their land in 2015. To Syrians, language and race and religion don't matter. Some prefer Turks. Some prefer Russians.

 
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Same asking why the people of Latakia rejoice when they see Russians coming to their land in 2015. To Syrians, language and race and religion don't matter. Some prefer Turks. Some prefer Russians.

People gave up on unrealistic goals of freedom and democracy after the devastating war, all they want is stability.
 
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People gave up on unrealistic goals of freedom and democracy after the devastating war, all they want is stability.

To most people, religion, language, race, none of that matters. Food on the table is what matters for most people. Hence northern Syrians love Turkey, coastal Syrians love Russia. They would rather be Turkish citizens and Russian citizens than Arab citizens.
 
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if you read the turkish section you will realize that many turkish users including me are all totally against north iraq in the hands of a kurdish clan.. some do not see it bad but that is very dangerous and a bad thing I would see it better in the hands of the central government.. but I fear to much iranian influence..



this issue is very complicated.. turkey supports the fsa and use them to legislate all actions.. but yes all actions have to be done for our national security.. if you have ever viseted the turkish section you will notice that many ppl are very angry about our foreign affairs.. specially to not do anything and let pkk/pyd get stronger with a fake peace process or actually help them in ayn al arab.. PYD should have been crushed like north barzani kurdistan should be crushed.. but as I mentioned before the mullahs are not much better.. I know that today the influence of iran in iraq is a little bit lesser than in the beginning of all this conflict but still i fear it could change.. but this does not change my mind on crushing barzani kurdistan it will bite back in the future..

you generalize our ppl but the reality is many are not comfort with the situation the terrorists who cleaned ayn al arab from everything wich is not kurdish and did same in other regions should be eliminated..they are also the enemies of arabs..but for now at least their dream of syria and iraq being one kurdistan together is over and they are like seperated , but for most turkish users here this is not enough we would like to see more against PYD



babbling against israel is like sport.. he does it to get some public votes and to please some ppl mostly its for internal politics..

also you cannot compare israel and syria.. while we are not fighting against arabs we are fighting with arabs against pyd.. thats totally a different thing.. also we are currently building up the civilian infrastructure in this pkk free areas.. including hospitals.. compare russians and saa bombings with ours it not about total destruction and mass killing.. its against one certain terrorist organisation.. be fair plz



as I said before many turkish ppl dont like our foreign policy too.. but for syria we have to be much harder and do more.. specially against PKK/PYD the actual situation is worse in my eyes.. they should have been eliminated far before ayn al arab.. we should have had a buffer zone for syrian refugees years before




if you really focus on the well being of arabs and not your own.. than I cant understand that you can see the faults of others but you dont complain about gcc arabs who spoiled and filled the syrian war including many other arab states that went throug fitnah.. I really miss that in your writings and that is the thing that makes you in my eyes flawed.. really you would be much more credible if you would not write your onesided postings


for turkey its essential to strike pkk and pyd in syria and iraq for our own security.. yes problems were not only made from outside our politicians have errors by not doing much against pkk and so on.. but for now they need to be cleansed.. and our army did it well in syria..

you should be more worried about kurds annexing syrian lands than turks who have settled there arabs

First of all your post, albeit a long one, is a good one and I much prefer such exchanges. I agree with much that you have written.

I have talked about this issue with Turks (North Iraq) and they mostly agree with me but some are not too well-informed about this.

I am not generalizing. I am only talking about Erdogan and the Turkish government (Erdogan again) and the ones that support his policies.

I know. Mullahs are world champions in blabbering about Israel but never doing anything. It's been 40 years now and not a scratch on the finger have Israel received from the same Mullah's. On the contrary the same Mullah's, when they needed it most (war against Iraq), they begged Israel to support them with weapons which they did. Same with the Great Satan (USA).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

This is not fitting for the topic but if you have read some of my posts on the Arab section and elsewhere you will know that I am very, very critical of Arab regimes and the incompetence of certain Arab regimes. The reason why I am less negative of late is due to promising policies (internal) of MbS and KSA improving on most fronts at a quite fast pace.

I have said it many times. If there was Arab unity among Arab regimes we would be a potential power in the world just below USA, China and Russia (if we got nuclear weapons more powerful than Russia due to greater economy, resources, military power, potential, population). I said many times that if the Arab League (an organization that predates the UN, imagine that for a second!) was just remotely similar to the EU, many problems and challenges would have been solved. I have said many times that most Arab regimes do not represent the people as well (obvious reasons).

It's just that on this forum (PDF) criticism is labelled against Arab regimes and secondly Iran but I rarely hear criticism of Turkey's policies. So sometimes I or other users need to write about this when users here are silent.

You might believe that I hate Turkey or Turks (LOL) but the reality is that Arabs and Turks share a lot in common and that most Arabs and Turks do not see each other as enemies let alone hostile people.

Well, KSA and other Arab countries are also donating much money to Syrian people, helping build the same facilities but we are not annexing anything. Maybe if KSA bordered Syria directly something similar would have been done (annexing land temporarily). I hope not.

About those 1.5-2 million Kurds in Syria, they are not a threat long-term and once normality returns such terrorism will not be accepted. I have voiced my opposition against this always on PDF (you can make a search on PDF) and even wrote this in my first posts in this thread.

Anyway, sorry for the late reply.
 
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