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Erdogan: Islam needs to be updated. You cannot apply Islam with laws from 14 centuries ago.

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Nalini said:
I feel India should pass a law, if any Muslim boy marries a non-muslim girl, they should convert to the girl's religion, then the Love-Jihad will automatically stop.
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Nalini said:
Turkey should allow its women to marry Non-Muslims like how Tunisia is liberalizing its society by lifting ban.
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I.R.A said:
That is why I strictly believe Quran doesn't need anyone's interpretation; it interprets itself.
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That's just a nice way of putting it to be honest. Many will agree that it's not practical. How will Quran interpret itself or ehatever that even means ? Its not a living thing, it's a book, as suchs it's human beings who read it and interprete it according to their thinking ability, what they learned from their scholars /preacher /sprituals leader /Imam /Mullah or even parents and friends etc. And each have their own interpretation and view which they firmly believe is the Real Islam. So I don't get what you meant by Quran will interpret itself.
 
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mike2000 is back said:
That's just a nice way of putting it to be honest. Many will agree that it's not practical. How will Quran interpret itself or ehatever that even means ? Its not a living thing, it's a book, as suchs it's human beings who read it and interprete it according to their thinking ability, what they learned from their scholars /preacher /sprituals leader /Imam /Mullah or even parents and friends etc. And each have their own interpretation and view which they firmly believe is the Real Islam. So I don't get what you meant by Quran will interpret itself.
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What meaning do you assign to interpretation? Understanding Quran for one's own self or for everyone else?

As I said there would always be a stark difference between understanding of one who approaches Quran with a blank mind free or preconceptions and the one who is heavily influenced by preachers, spiritual leaders, Mullah, Imam etc. I approach Quran looking for answers and I get them without consulting men written interpretation books ..... for me Quran is like any law book, the only difference is that for me its divine and for a non Muslim that may be difficult to accept, I study it paying attention to every word, making notes and being patient enough to go through all verses. The trick is to read the whole book again and again, note verses related to a specific topic and then read them together for a more clear and better understanding.

Well let me ask you some few very basic questions e.g.

  • What do you think is punishment of adultery in conventional Islam?
  • What do you think of women's treatment in conventional Islam?
  • What do you think is punishment for apostates in conventional Islam?
 
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Targon said:
C'mon just wage an all out war againts cemaats.
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They are part of our religious landscape and history. You cannot just cease their existence. It is a historic fact that many of them weren't political over a long, long period of time. To be fair, the politicization of cemaats is a side effect of the Kemalist Revolution. So, as a Kemalist, what's your solution for this problem apart from killing or destroying or jailing all cemaat members?
 
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Sh@msu said:
well why not?Bbut of course they need to convert

Either way i am hoping there will be no trouble for us,non-hindu man(specially muslim man) to marry hindu woman.
As a way of life(hinduism) i think the hindu woman we will marry from your part will not be required any purification process?

And as a shining example of democracy, We will hope India will not ban beef, and of course will not celebrate any holi or other drum buzzing stuff that is not suitable for public health.
We also propose to abolish any kind of vedic teaching as we know it is nothing but bs,but let's not get into that as we are talking about country.

We also hope hinduism will be eased enough to liberate hindu woman more to marry outside caste and religion.

I assure you i have nothing against india and hinduism,i am just sharing my personal views in light of hindu people's behavior.
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Of course, correction in our religion is already happening..But the good part of us, that we identify the mistakes and work it on correction unlilke others who pretend to be otherwise.
 
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KediKesenFare said:
They are part of our religious landscape and history. You cannot just cease their existence. It is a historic fact that many of them weren't political over a long, long period of time. To be fair, the politicization of cemaats are a side effect of the Kemalist Revolution. So, as a Kemalist, what's your solution for this problem apart from killing or destroying or jailing all cemaat members?
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They are cancer, thats what they are. My nerves give me a headache whenever I see Süleymancı wives driving jeeps while their husbands beg old hacıs and esnaf for donation. With your good will you donate those people a goat, what they do? Make Adana kebab out of it for their personal. Yes I ate their kebab. Due to my father's work we sometimes do their business.

List me the positive things those cemaats bring to our society. Do they teach religion? Diyanet gets billions of liras for that. All they do is either squezing money out of people, verbally fighting among themselves or radicalizing people. They break the religious people apart, instead of uniting them. They idolize their leaders like gods.

Of course I'm not talking about jailing or killing(unless they break the law). Their political and economical power should be broken. People should be encouraged to stay away from them. They should be closely observed by the state.
 
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KediKesenFare said:
what's your solution for this problem apart from killing or destroying or jailing all cemaat members?
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Economically and politically suppress them, untill they submit to THE STATE!

The state is and should be the one balancing all the variations within the society. It is THE JOB of the state!

And as such it shouldnt share any authority with anyone else, especially with those lunatic 'clerics' who claim to blow up american space rockets. The fact that we have millions of sheer stupid people living in our country believing these ludicrous claims by our hocas, proves the necessity of keeping the cemaats under the supervision of the state as those millions of stupid citizens have the highest risk denominator of causing massive problems for the peace and order in our country.

Stupid people, the biggest troublemakers in every society, should be kept under strict check before anyone else.
 
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@Kaptaan

Hi,

Most of the posters in this thread are from Pakistan; however, i could not get the picture about Pakistanis' perception of Islam.

How would you enlist the religious problems in front of Pakistan for developments in many fields?

Thank you.
 
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Islamic faith&Secularism said:
@Kaptaan

Hi,

Most of the posters in this thread are from Pakistan; however, i could not get the picture about Pakistanis' perception of Islam.

How would you enlist the religious problems in front of Pakistan for developments in many fields?

Thank you.
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Well, frankly most of them call me a 'kaffir' so maybe I am not the guy to answer your question but since you asked me I feel obliged to answer it. I could sum it simple or go for a full thesis. I choose the former. This is how I would describe islam in Pakistan.

  • Anything against what might be considered western mixed with everything that might be considered Saudia Arabian. Mix the two and the cocktail is 'Pakistani Islam'.
 
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