Enough of excuses, Pak should act: Pranab

[roopesh]

The Statesman

KOLKATA, Dec. 21 : Taking a tough stance against Pakistan, external affairs minister, Mr Pranab Mukherjee, today said India has provided enough evidence to the neighbouring country regarding use of its land by the terrorists involved in the Mumbai attacks, but no step has been initiated by it to stop such activities.
While addressing an interactive session at Bengal Chamber of Commerce and Industry this morning, Mr Mukherjee, said: “Pakistan has been contradicting its statements though we have provided enough evidence including the detailed conversation of the terrorists intercepted by the Indian agencies. Pakistan must cooperate and not contradict us. Mere talks are not enough, they have to act now.”
At the same time, he demanded that Pakistan should return Indian fugitives hiding in the country.
Mr Mukherjee said Centre can deal only with legitimate arguments, but all arguments put forward by Pakistan to deny that the terrorists were not from its land, are not really convincing.
“The first reaction from Islamabad was that those involved in the Mumbai attacks were non-state actors. Non-state actors do not come from heaven, nor do they operate from another planet”, said the minister.
Pointing out that from wherever the terrorists are operating, it is the responsibility of the concerned country to deal with them, Mr Mukherjee, said: “We cannot chase the so-called non-state actors in another country, but it is the duty of the concerned country to initiate action against them.”
He reiterated that he had never said “Pakistan government” was involved in the attack, but he used the word “some elements in Pakistan” while describing the terrorists involved in the attack.
Mr Mukherjee said it has been proved that terrorism is deeply embroiled in the internal politics of Pakistan and the infrastructure of terror remained unchallenged because of logistical supports to anti-Indian terrorists from different power centres of the country.
“We have the evidence , including detailed conversation via satellite (phone) that was intercepted by our agencies.
“Yesterday, I have heard the recorded conversation between Amir Ajmal Kasab, the lone captured terrorist, and their controller in Pakistan. It can be described as a chilling account. In the conversation, the controller, who guiding the terrorists had asked them to throw grenades (at) the crowd. This proves that they were monitoring Indian television channels. We have many other evidences of this kind,” the minister added.
“Pakistan must pursue these evidence and take action. Unless their words are followed up by actions, we can not share a good bilateral relationship,” he said. However, the minister said it would be wrong to link Islam with terrorism.
“Islam is a religion of equality, love and advancement. Terrorism could not be linked to a single religion,” he said.
Mr Mukherjee took strong exception to contradictory statements from Pakistan about the presence of Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar in that country.

 

[Captain03]

apparently an election is coming up because mr. pranab is lieing to win the support of the people
india hasn't shared any evidence with pakistan except for baseless accusations
the indian government should stop living in a imagination land and face the real truth that those terrorists made because of india's negligence and suppression of minorities in their home country
also of the hell that india has brought on the kashmiri people

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

“Pakistan must pursue these evidence and take action. Unless their words are followed up by actions, we can not share a good bilateral relationship,” he said.

I thought India was refusing to share evidence with Pakistan?

So have they changed their mind, and if they haven't, how do they expect Pakistan to 'pursue this evidence'?

 

[roopesh]

To be honnest with you I am personally so much confused with Pak/India talks. India claiming that they shared the evidence with Pak and media reports it. They share with all international media. GOP says it hasnt received. Indian media make fun of GOP that they support terrors....
So I just reported here...personally I lost little bit

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

To be honnest with you I am personally so much confused with Pak/India talks. India claiming that they shared the evidence with Pak and media reports it. They share with all international media. GOP says it hasnt received. Indian media make fun of GOP that they support terrors....
So I just reported here...personally I lost little bit

The 'shared evidence' that some GoI officials have referred to is past evidence exchanged through various committees etc., not anything related to the Mumbai attacks.

In fact, I believe it was Mukherjee who deflected a question of 'will India share evidence' by stating something along the lines of 'India had shared a lot of evidence in the past, and Pakistan needed to act on that'.

That would lead me to believe that the GoI has not shared any evidence related to the Mumbai attacks directly with Pakistan. Whether the US has done so as an intermediary is unknown.

 

[third eye]

I thought India was refusing to share evidence with Pakistan?

So have they changed their mind, and if they haven't, how do they expect Pakistan to 'pursue this evidence'?

Pak today is a nation caught between the devil & the deep sea.

It is :
1. Led by a man & Govt whom its ppl neither respect nor accept.
2. Caught in vice of self created fundamentalist inspired violence which has all but eaten into its vitals.
3. Unable to publicly acknowledge its ills coz GOP would then be expected to act on it - something it is not capable to.
4. A Govt which has no " loyal' organs to execute its directions.
5. Unable to live without the dole but cannot qualify to meet the pre requisites to receive the dole.
6. Leaders & citizens are aware where the problem lies, but are helpless as there is no redressal.
7. Unable to respond in any manner to the repeated drone attacks & the loss of face that goes with it.

In light of the above & so many more...what proof does anyone need ? You can wake up a man who is sleeping, not someone who pretends to be asleep.

 

[Vinod2070]

This is getting serious. It seems that the GOI is now convinced that Pakistan is not going to do anything substantive. That the talk of "evidence" is mere red-herring. He talks about evidence being shared with Pakistan "10 times".

GOI also called 120 Indian envoys for a briefing and for launching a diplomatic offensive.

NDTV.com: PM to brief 120 Indian envoys on terror, Pakistan

PM to brief 120 Indian envoys on terror, Pakistan
NDTV Correspondent
Monday, December 22, 2008 9:26 PM (New Delhi, Kolkata)

As India keeps up the pressure on Pakistan, the diplomatic offensive against the country is likely to be stepped up.

More than 120 Indian ambassadors will begin a specially convened two-day meeting in the capital from Monday.

According to sources the focus will be on the fallout of the Mumbai attacks and ties with Pakistan; the global financial crisis is also likely to come up.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee will address the envoys. Home Minister P Chidambaram is also likely to attend.

# Over 120 Indian envoys to attend a special meeting in New Delhi
# Meeting to focus on fallout of Mumbai attacks, relation with Pakistan: Sources
# Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Pranab Mukherjee to address the envoys

The signs are not good. It may possibly lead to escalations.

 

[Ahassan]

Pak should ask for the IA col which was also involved in TERROR activities!!!

 

[maximus]

Nothing should happen on our side because we weren't involved. Enough said.

 

[koolio]

It may be possible GOI has shared evidence in the past but the Mumbai incident is totally different what GOP is demanding evidence is related to Mumbai incident not past.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Pak today is a nation caught between the devil & the deep sea.

It is :
1. Led by a man & Govt whom its ppl neither respect nor accept.
2. Caught in vice of self created fundamentalist inspired violence which has all but eaten into its vitals.
3. Unable to publicly acknowledge its ills coz GOP would then be expected to act on it - something it is not capable to.
4. A Govt which has no " loyal' organs to execute its directions.
5. Unable to live without the dole but cannot qualify to meet the pre requisites to receive the dole.
6. Leaders & citizens are aware where the problem lies, but are helpless as there is no redressal.
7. Unable to respond in any manner to the repeated drone attacks & the loss of face that goes with it.

In light of the above & so many more...what proof does anyone need ? You can wake up a man who is sleeping, not someone who pretends to be asleep.

You answered none of my questions, despite going through the motions of responding to my post, choosing instead to launch into an off topic, nonsensical diatribe reflective of your irrational dislike of Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

That the talk of "evidence" is mere red-herring. He talks about evidence being shared with Pakistan "10 times".

When he talks of 'sharing evidence ten times' he is referring to the past', the GoP has specifically asked for evidence related to the Mumbai incident, which India has so far officially refused to share.

The signs are not good. It may possibly lead to escalations.

At this point it does seem like India is more interested in escalating instead of cooperating and sharing evidence.

 

[ajpirzada]

well as far as i am aware of the evidence provided to pak includes:
list of ppl india wants
some videos of kasab tellin who was involved and how they came to mumbai
and info about wat other evidence have india got which included a GPS, satellite phone, phone calls being intercepted (pak is askin india to show all this evidence and not tell)

what pakistan have done so far:
closed all the offices of JuD
arrested its officials
and banned the organisation

what exactly pakistan is sayin:
pak is askin india to provide further evidence which they say they have got so that investigation could be carried out against these ppl which are under arrest. without evidence no further steps can be taken against the ppl who have been arrested.

what india is sayin:
give us the ppl which u have got
and u r not doin enough

Questions:
y should pak hand over any pakistani to indians. there is no such agreement bw the two countries which legally bounds pak to do this. and max pakistan can do is to try them in court which can only be done after india give all the evidence against these ppl which they say they have got.
wat else can pak do at this stage after pak has already banned the organistion, closed its offices and arrested its officials.


apparently india wants pak to do wat ever they say without asking any questions. may be coz india wanna establish its authority in this region or may be political leaders want to please indians by threatnin pak due to comin elections.
there are no such terror camps which india is talkin about and remember wheneva india will carry out any strike within pak it will either be any key military postion or any of the offices of ISI.
i would say india should calm down and deal with pakistan not lik a boss but with logic.
pak has done wat it could do, now its time for india to provide further evidence which it says india has so that pak could take more steps. dont confuse pak with IoK whom u can keep at the tip of ur boot.

mukherje says pak has been provided enough evidence to act. pak says it has acted on the basis of the evidence being provided and now its time to share more evidence so that investigation could move on...........

 

[s90]

Bal Thackeray to govt: Attack Pak, don't warn

"Only Indira Gandhi had the guts to handle threats to national security. There is no use of issuing warnings. The govt should have the daring to attack Pak," Thackeray said.

Looks like India is a terrorist state

 

[omairhr]

It seems that 'evidence' and 'proof' have become Indians' 'cheir' ... (sorry guys, i cannot find an equivalent word for one being extremely irritated and disturbed by someone saying something)

Its just that Indians are excited to see the long time 'enemy' in financial troubles. Its the same psychology Indian cricket fans display being excited over a short term rise of Indian cricket team and Pakistani team being out of scene.

We, Pakistanis tend to talk-up negative things about our country. The fact is that things are no better in India either. This should not be a source of comfort though. We need to work together to make our country better.