Emerging Rafael Threat on Horizon vs JF17 THUNDER

[Indus Pakistan]

First they were licking Soviet boats and making USSR soldiers happy

Ahmed Shah Masood of NA was one of the best fighters against the Soviets. The Panjshir valley occupied entire Soviet Divisions but still failed to subdue Masood Mujihadeen. Stop using broad brush and lumping everybody on one swoop.

Lemme a little secret on to you. Slappig the prefix "Islamic" does not grow you talleer, stronger, mightier. The athiests Chinese could chew every Muslim country on earth and spit us out without care. The 180 Muslims in India have about as much backbone as fluterring leaf. Religion is poor predictor of anything. If you study countries and history you will see religion has little correlation to success or power. Those are contingent on so many other mundane and temporal factors.

 

[khail007]

It's the man and not the machine that fights. A Muslim is superior to a Hindu. So relax. Alhamidullah, we shall prevail. Have faith.

ALLAH SWT bless Pakistan - In-Shaa-Allah.

 

[war&peace]

Ahmed Shah Masood of NA was one of the best fighters against the Soviets. The Panjshir valley occupied entire Soviet Divisions but still failed to subdue Masood Mujihadeen. Stop using broad brush and lumping everybody on one swoop.

Without Pakistan support he started licking US boots like rest of the ingrate pimps. Only the true fighters who have faith in their hearts are Afghan Taliban.. who despite betrayal by Musharraf and being totally abandoned by all, they continued with their limited resources thanks to their faith and today, they are ones holding peace talks.. not Ahmad Shah Masood or rest of ungrateful pimps.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Without Pakistan support he started licking US boots like rest of the ingrate pimps. Only the true fighters who have faith in their hearts are Afghan Taliban.. who despite betrayal by Musharraf and being totally abandoned by all, they continued with their limited resources thanks to their faith and today, they are ones holding peace talks.. not Ahmad Shah Masood or rest of ungrateful pimps.

You will find that I have always supported Taliban/Afghanistan and squarely laid the despicable Musharaf for our issues with our neighbour to the west. And Taliban fight well not just because of religion. There are historical, cultural and temperament at play here. Unless you think Talib are the only Muslims with Islam in their heart which is a ridicalous proposition.

 

[blain2]

Listen to 2:36 onwards. First thing is to have confidence in our own capabilities and maximize the utmost value out of whatever assets we have available to us. Then you leave the rest to Almighty and destiny. All is and will be well. Fikar mat karo itni! ;-)

 

[war&peace]

ALLAH SWT bless Pakistan - In-Shaa-Allah.

This racist stooge was trying to be sarcastic but we turned the joke on him and now he has no answer but clutching on the straws desperately..

You will find that I have always supported Taliban/Afghanistan and squarely laid the despicable Musharaf for our issues with our neighbour to the west. And Taliban fight well not just because of religion. There are historical, cultural and temperament at play here. Unless you think Talib are the only Muslims with Islam in their heart which is a ridicalous proposition.

lolzz... I shattered that myth already so I don't want to continue to answer your pointless gibberish.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

lolzz... I shattered that myth already so I don't want to continue to answer your pointless gibberish.

The only thing you shattered is your own dumb thinking. Living in Sweden has done little to improve your mental abilities. Your still a dumb, ingrate fcuk !

 

[Vortex]

From Rafaley threat versus JF17 to afghan/taliban/ Islam....

Yes even Afghan were flying with AESA radars and BVR missiles.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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RAFALE

Hardpoints: 14 for Air Force versions (Rafale B/C), 13 for Navy version (Rafale M) with a
capacity of 9,500 kg (20,900 lb) external fuel and ordnance and provisions to carry weapons

Avionics

• Thales RBE2-AA AESA radar
• Thales SPECTRA Electronic Warfare system.
• Thales/SAGEM-OSF Optronique Secteur Frontal infra-red search and track (IRST) system

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JF17 Block III
Hardpoints: 7 in total (4 × under-wing, 2 × wing-tip, 1 × under-fuselage)(Based on block 1 info)
Useful load: 4,325 kg (9,535 lb) (Based on block 1 info)


Avionics

• KLJ-7 V2 Airborne Pulse Doppler Fire Control Radar
• Externally mounted avionics pods
  • AselPOD EO/IR Targeting System
• KG300G Airborne Self-Protection Jamming Pod

It appears the Rafale Jet is capable of carrying more missiles (double) what JF17 can carry and also Spectra Electronic warfare system would add new threat

We need to either purchase a squadron of J-20s/J-31s from China and or begin work in earnest of our 5th generation fighter program with China/Turkey. That would nullify the iaf for decades to come. In the short term we need to purchase the HQ-9 air defence system from China too.

 

[Umar Nazir]

in coming months we will see more air force strike from india at least in Azad Kashmir when ever kashmiri Mujahedin will attack indian occupied forces. Pakistan army should understand that modern warfare is all about air power. They should surrender at least 25% of their defence budget for PAF. Without improving air power , Pakistan left with no option other than remain silent on IAF upcoming strikes in Pakistani Kashmir.

Because until 1999, PAF was well ahead from IAF in terms of quality as F16 was our main fighter where as india had Mig29 at that time. But after 2000 Indian rightly improve their air force by inducting Su30mki and now Refale and unfortunately paf went in reverse gear as we still happy with 2nd generation Marge 3 & 5 and average Jf-17.

J10-c would have been much better option than Jf-17 but we dont have that. So Pakistan should declare clearly that in case of any IAF attack in azad kashmir, Pakistan will retaliate with cruise missiles

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

This is just not fair with JF-17 ……. unfair business ……. One cannot compare JF-17 with Rafale …. come on both are completely different birds , different category .. different wings (shape) , different role ,,,,,,,,,
STOP Making jf-17 a god ………… Stop over-reacting (overestimating) on JF-17 ……
JF-17s main purpose was to replace older birds of PAF (Mirages are not included) with advance tech, avionics and at affordable price …. JF-17 is here to take on all the migs and jags of IAF(minimum block III can take on SU-30s , remember on 27th F-16 had both the kills) .

Great point, I am of the same opinion while the JF17 Thunder program has been a colossal success, I think we need to keep up with every new card which is delt in the game

36 J10 C/D models might have more hardpoints and similar maneuverability as Rafale to keep the gap close to Indian Airforce

Simply just depending on SAM systems alone is not answer

JF17 Block I, Block II and Block III can take on any adversary, however, we can help further enable the Airforce

 

[Nasr]

So, are you saying rest of the world is not Muslims?

There is another thread on this forum where some wiseass yuppie proposed having Casinos, Night Clubs, Bars and so on, in Pakistan.

Ever went to Monte Carlo? If not, then go there next summer. There you shall find Arabs from Emirates, Kuwait, Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Egypt and so on, go at it like animals. They go through more Alcohol, Cocaine and Prostitutes than white people.

So the answer to your question is, yes not all in the Muslim World are actually Muslim. Rather more "Cafeteria Muslims" that like to party, commit zina, drown in alcohol, sniff cocaine like depraved buffoons.

In Dallas, Texas, I met a couple of Pakistani guys who openly ate pork and shamelessly declared that if God didn't want them to consume pork, alcohol, cocaine, prostitutes then HE wouldn't have made such things.

You will find in this world, j@ck@$$e$ of every shade of every color. So don't be naive into thinking that all 2 billion Muslims on this planet, are saints or wear halos over their heads.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

This is just not fair with JF-17 ……. unfair business ……. One cannot compare JF-17 with Rafale …. come on both are completely different birds , different category .. different wings (shape) , different role ,,,,,,,,,
STOP Making jf-17 a god ………… Stop over-reacting (overestimating) on JF-17 ……
JF-17s main purpose was to replace older birds of PAF (Mirages are not included) with advance tech , avionics and at affordable price …. JF-17 is here to take on all the migs and jags of IAF(minimum block III can take on SU-30s , remember on 27th F-16 had both the kills) .

so according to you, if JF17 thunder comes face to face with Rafale, then what should the Pilot say to the Rafale pilot ?
Hey man, go back and send someone of my size ? i am not meant to have a fight against you ?
And btw don't spread disinformation. Don't make your own claims. On 27th F16 and thunder both got 1 kill each.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

A layered approach would also be a great short term solution until Project Azm becomes a reality

By Layered approach

• Acquisition of J10 C/D (36 Units)

• or Perhaps the F16 upgrade to V standard, 30 new birds (As being discussed in other threads) https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paf-f16-blk70-possibly-coming-to-be-confirmed.628653/

• Or 36 Euro Fighter Typhoon

• Acquisition of 2 SAM systems (Hisar 0, And Hisar A)

Now Euro Fighters would be a massive addition if we could acquire 40 units even with assistance from Saudi Arabia

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So don't be naive into thinking that all 2 billion Muslims on this planet, are saints or wear halos over their heads.

The issue was not if they [all Muslims] were saints. Despite their failing they are Muslims and will recieve acountability in the hereafter.

I think the issue was does religiousity and piety equate to fighting ability. I argued it does not. Chinese military ability or American military ability is far greater then all the pious put together and the former are athiest to boot, drunk, prostitite biased and if you have ever been near any casino are addicted to gambling. So are Vietamese but they licked the US. So religion is poor predictor of fighting ability.