Electricity problem is due to imported coal, shehbaz Sharif

[FuturePAF]

Unfortunately it will be more expensive
Instead of blaming mian mansha blame the guy who made the policy

You cant make a policy of 20% RR on imported fuel and then blame the investor

Blame the one who gave the policy


؟؟؟بھائی چینی آپ کے بیٹے ہیں جو آپ کو سستی بجلی دیں گے

کچھ کام تو خود کرلیا کریں

Pakistan has taken out significant loans to build the power plants with the understanding that CPEC phase 2 would see a shifting of industrial ventures to SEZs by Chinese companies.

If CPEC is to be the cornerstone of the BRI, the Chinese will have to invest (not loan) more, as the party seeking a new global order, in a similar way to how the US invested in Europe during the Marshall plan.

Now I am not an electrical engineer (the few courses I took of circuit and sort also went a bit over my head), so would be interesting to see any existing power projects of this scale or what an electrical engineer thinks of this.

A project like this but over the Himalayas. As the Chinese import more Russian gas and oil (probably at the most discounted price to any customer) they can turn around and sell the electricity they can generate to Pakistan, and even at a point that is still cheaper then any other consumer in South Asia. Pakistani industries would be competitive and Chinese producers would still turn a profit. Some the electricity could run a rail line over the Himalayas, giving China another solution to their malacca dilemma. So it’s win win for Russia, China and Pakistan.

An economically strong and competitor Pakistan (with equal or higher GDP per capita to India) would make resolving the Kashmir issue more easier, as many Kashmiris wouldn’t have to decide between their true desires and economic stability.

 

[ziaulislam]

Pakistan has taken out significant loans to build the power plants with the understanding that CPEC phase 2 would see a shifting of industrial ventures to SEZs by Chinese companies.

If CPEC is to be the cornerstone of the BRI, the Chinese will have to invest (not loan) more, as the party seeking a new global order, in a similar way to how the US invested in Europe during the Marshall plan.


A project like this but over the Himalayas. As the Chinese import more Russian gas and oil (probably at the most discounted price to any customer) they can turn around and sell the electricity they can generate to Pakistan, and even at a point that is still cheaper then any other consumer in South Asia. Pakistani industries would be competitive and Chinese producers would still turn a profit. Some the electricity could run a rail line over the Himalayas, giving China another solution to their malacca dilemma. So it’s win win for Russia, China and Pakistan.

An economically strong and competitor Pakistan (with equal or higher GDP per capita to India) would make resolving the Kashmir issue more easier, as many Kashmiris wouldn’t have to decide between their true desires and economic stability.

Are you this naive?
China is captalist country
It will move its industries where it suits
Currently the cheaper prices in bengaldesh and veitanum as well as more trained personnel will mean there is where the industries will move

Not to a country where the price is double of whats in other country

Remeber china doesnt care about "strong pakistan"
Nor do saudis care about this

 

[ziaulislam]

Usa invested in marshall plan because it had close relations with europe

China doesnt has those roots with pakistan
Nor is pakistan europe that any such plan will work it is khata hey tu lagata be hey
Half of americans in 1940s were europeans

 

[ziaulislam]

Thank you Bajwa. You will be remembered as a symbol.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1534613311601393664

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Reason behind

1- Sudden Inflation (raising Petrol Prices)
a) So people can't ride motor cycle to Islamabad
b) So people can't ride cars to Islamabad
c) So people can ride buses to Islamabad

PDM/PML/PPP is punishing people for protests

2- Load Shedding , why is it we have load shedding when we created record Electricity Production?

a) To reduce energy levels in general people
b) Spread sense of loss
c) Increase depression in Society and reduce resistance to Corruption
d) Whole cities are being kept in Darkness 8-12 hour load sheddingin order to break the resistance

"Darkness" breaks down the mind is what is being implemented against people of Pakistan

 

[ThisUser]

 

[Olympus81]

I can understand some Power projects being signed during PMLN era with high rate of return for investors in return for quick electricity on the grid.

But projects like Sahiwal where electricity cost is Rs 30+ and we import coal on top of it. Alot of people must have made money through kickbacks.

And other IPP projects, and neglecting hydel projects was a grave sin.

The price of which Pakistan is paying till today.

 

[Communism]

Pakistan should try to make the building of a major high voltage transmission line a top priority of CPEC. Pakistan doesn’t need to import fuel if it can just buy electricity from China at economical prices. It benefits consumers and producers, and gets around the issue of importing Russian oil/gas.

Considering the rate at which China is building power plants, this can help ease the burden sudden spikes in energy prices.

This isn't a realistic plan.

Chinese domestic electricity rates are subsidized, so it would basically be asking China for free money, lol.

The real cost of production for electricity in China isn't very low.

 

[FuturePAF]

This isn't a realistic plan.

Chinese domestic electricity rates are subsidized, so it would basically be asking China for free money, lol.

The real cost of production for electricity in China isn't very low.

The price doesn’t have to be as low as it is for Chinese consumers, but at a level that is lower then for south Asian consumers in competing countries. In that way, the Chinese producers make a profit and pakistani consumers, especially industrial consumers get electricity at rates that are competitive with other countries. In the context of industrialization aspect of CPEC phase 2, this would be attractive if we are to incentivize investors to build their industrial ventures in our SEZ.

This should also be viewed in the context of larger initiatives and offsets. One is a possible rail corridor that could allow China to move freight to Karachi/Gwadar and for Pakistan it would mean greater prosperity in Gilgit-Baltistan / Asad Kashmir ; and the implications that can have on the Kashmir issue.

 

[ARMalik]

What about this IMPORTED THIEF??

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Someone please give him a media advisor...him and Miftah both.

Theh have 2, Maryam and Maryam and 1 adhi Hina

 

[Communism]

The price doesn’t have to be as low as it is for Chinese consumers, but at a level that is lower then for south Asian consumers in competing countries. In that way, the Chinese producers make a profit and pakistani consumers, especially industrial consumers get electricity at rates that are competitive with other countries. In the context of industrialization aspect of CPEC phase 2, this would be attractive if we are to incentivize investors to build their industrial ventures in our SEZ.

This should also be viewed in the context of larger initiatives and offsets. One is a possible rail corridor that could allow China to move freight to Karachi/Gwadar and for Pakistan it would mean greater prosperity in Gilgit-Baltistan / Asad Kashmir ; and the implications that can have on the Kashmir issue.

What I mean is, all of the countries you are talking about have subsidized domestic electricity rates.

If you want realistic electricity rates, look at U.S. electricity rates, and then add on additional cost for the fact that Pakistan, India, Bangladesh etc. are importing their fuel instead of U.S. fuel being mostly domestic.

Electric Power Monthly - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Importing electricity from China to Pakistan is not economically feasible.

China's real electricity production cost is not very low.

 

[FuturePAF]

What I mean is, all of the countries you are talking about have subsidized domestic electricity rates.

If you want realistic electricity rates, look at U.S. electricity rates, and then add on additional cost for the fact that Pakistan, India, Bangladesh etc. are importing their fuel instead of U.S. fuel being mostly domestic.

Electric Power Monthly - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Importing electricity from China to Pakistan is not economically feasible.

China's real electricity production cost is not very low.

If that is the case, the an oil and/or gas pipeline maybe more economically viable between China and Pakistan. Not just for Pakistani domestic use but transit trade. Although that maybe have some implications for Pakistan’s other relations. Hence why I proposed the direct electricity supply over a petrochemical pipeline.

Also, I don’t concede the point that the direct electricity supply method is not economically feasible, but should be studied to determine at what price points or amount of electricity it could be economically viable.

 

[Communism]

If that is the case, the an oil and/or gas pipeline maybe more economically viable between China and Pakistan. Not just for Pakistani domestic use but transit trade. Although that maybe have some implications for Pakistan’s other relations. Hence why I proposed the direct electricity supply over a petrochemical pipeline.

Also, I don’t concede the point that the direct electricity supply method is not economically feasible, but should be studied to determine at what price points or amount of electricity it could be economically viable.

One should not forget that long range electricity transfer has about 20+% line losses as well.

The idea is simply nonsensical in every single way.

 

[Azadkashmir]

bijli problem due to imported government, give me imported coala but not imported beggar.