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He have the right to not care or respect the Quran as long as he insult nobody , why you hate ? being Atheist or Religious not makes someone automatically bad or good, its about personality, everybody can choose their own path, an Atheist shouldn't insult Muslims and Islam neither you should discriminate them.
 
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You want a medal? Don't generalize the things you do. Cyprus is not Anatolia

And anatolia is not Turkey... Costal regions and west of Eskişehir is like that... Just because you are from Central Anatolia does not mean that everyone in Turkey like that...

Do you think that Turkish youth give a sh!t about virginity or ban of alcohol in religion? significant number of them don't even care about Ramazan... Think about that...
 
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Atheist friends.. Please don't speak irrelevant.. Tell your fantasies elsewhere..

Eldest Ottoman princess,
Neslişah Osmanoğlu, buried in İstanbul


Princess Fatma Neslişah Osmanoğlu, or Neslişah Sultan, who was the last member of the Ottoman ruling family born before the fall of the empire, was buried in İstanbul on Tuesday.
Neslişah Sultan, who was the eldest member of the Ottoman royal family, passed away in İstanbul at the age of 91 early on Monday. A funeral service was held for the deceased Ottoman princess in İstanbul's Yıldız Hamidiye Mosque following noon prayer.

She was buried in Aşiyan Asri Cemetery after the funeral ceremony, which Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç also attended on behalf of the government. Arınç also delivered his condolences to the Osmanoğlu family at Yıldız Palace's Mabeyn Köşkü.

"The last representative of the [Ottoman] dynasty has passed away. I am here to deliver condolonces on behalf of Mr. Prime Minister and my colleagues. We regard attending the funeral of Neslişah Hanımefendi a duty," Arınç told reporters during the funeral ceremony. "We are sad. She was a very vaulable lady. She bade farewell to life after a 91-year-long life of hardships."

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan also expressed sadness over the death of Neslişah Sultan during a speech in Parliament on Tuesday. “Fatma Neslişah Osmanoğlu was a symbol of nobility, carrying the blood of Osman Gazi [the founder of Ottoman Empire]. We remember her with gratitude and respect. May God be pleased with her and her family,” he said.

Neslişah Sultan, a paternal granddaughter of the last Ottoman Caliph Abdülmecid II and maternal granddaughter of the last Ottoman Sultan and Caliph Mehmed VI Vahdettin, died early on Monday in her Ortaköy home. She assumed the title of eldest surviving member of the Ottoman dynasty after the death of Osman Ertuğrul Osmanoğlu in 2009.

Neslişah Sultan was born in Istanbul on Feb. 4, 1921, two years before the Turkish Republic replaced the Ottoman Empire, which had ruled Turkey, parts of the Middle East and eastern Europe for 600 years.

Her grandfather, the last Ottoman Sultan Vahdettin, and all other members of the dynasty were sent into exile in 1924, and the princess spent her childhood and adolescence in Nice, France, before moving to Egypt.

"When we were in exile we lived longing for the country," she told historian Murat Bardakçı, whose biography of the princess was published last year. "My mother had friends who would go to İstanbul. I would ask them to bring me back a bit of soil from Istanbul, but none did."

Ottoman princesses were traditionally married to members of Muslim royal families, and in 1940, Neslihan Sultan married Egyptian Prince Muhammed Abdel Monem. Prince Monem headed a regency committee that ruled from July 1952 to June 1953, when the new rulers of Egypt turned the country into a republic.

The royal couple were placed under house arrest, accused of being part of an international plot against the Egyptian government of Gamal Abdel Nasser, but acquitted and forced to leave the country.

Exiled for a second time, Neslişah Sultan returned to live in France with her husband.

In 1952, the Turkish government allowed female members of the Ottoman family to return to Turkey, and the prince and princess moved to İstanbul in 1957.

The princess took the surname Osmanoğlu, or son of Osman, along with other surviving members of the dynasty.

"When I go out in the streets, I see that all nice things were built by my grandfathers," she told Bardakçı. "I therefore cannot help think that they belong to me. I feel like I am a part of this place and that I belong to this land."

Prince Monem, who was born in 1899, died in İstanbul in 1979.

Neslişah Sultan is survived by a son, daughter and a grandson.

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And we should care about a book that was written more than thausand years ago because..... ?

Deno i respect you bro..But from time to time you have some extreme thoughts imho..I am Muslim..I try to follow Quran`s teachings..But from time to time i drink alcohol too..I know its a sin but it is between me and Allah..But me drinking alcohol, my thoughts about virginity dont decrease the value of my religion, or our Holy Book Quran..

You have every right to believe in it or not but at least you should respect people`s thoughts or the things people give value of..

No offence intended Deno..Just my humble thoughts
 
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Deno i respect you bro..But from time to time you have some extreme thoughts imho..I am Muslim..I try to follow Quran`s teachings..But from time to time i drink alcohol too..I know its a sin but it is between me and Allah..But me drinking alcohol, my thoughts about virginity dont decrease the value of my religion, or our Holy Book Quran..

You have every right to believe in it or not but at least you should respect people`s thoughts or the things people give value of..

No offence intended Deno..Just my humble thoughts

No, non taken :D I have no problem people doing what they want including religious practices... I have no right to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do.

But I have a problem with people who says that we should decide goverment policies, state bussiness, social lifes and laws according to one and a half century olf book... Or anyone telling me or others what they should or shouldn't do according to their beliefs of that book...
 
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Turkey is a young nation, factionalism is only natural yet we must ultimately remember that you & I are the son/daughter of that nation and we must always work to improve our nation, if we were to stop our development and our progress we will fall back into 0 scientific and cultural development & this is what destroys nations. Our allegiance must be to the nation first, faction second since at the end of the day even if you dont like it our decisions will ultimately effect the fate of our nation & this is what we must keep in mind.

We must use all avenues of progress and development to further our advancement even if it means "appearing" to want to join the dying EU as it gives us the excuse to change and improve upon our legal, cultural and social institutions.
 
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How about Khalifa Recep Tayyip Erdogan start a new Dynasty in Turkey. Caliphate of Erdogan to lead the Muslims.
 
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No, non taken :D I have no problem people doing what they want including religious practices... I have no right to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do.

But I have a problem with people who says that we should decide goverment policies, state bussiness, social lifes and laws according to one and a half century olf book... Or anyone telling me or others what they should or shouldn't do according to their beliefs of that book...


Aren't you doing exactly that when you say to someone who prescribes to the Muslim Faith : No, your affairs will not be handled as per the Shariah ! Which is to say...when you die, No, Islamic inheritance laws will not be applicable on you even if you wished it. When you get married or divorced, No, you're marriage and divorce proceedings will not be conducted as per the Shariah, even if the both of you wish it as such. In essence, you've practically thrown away legal pluralism that even a country like the United States respects.

Additionally, aren't you also exercising that same right when you tell a person or a group of people that No, they may not exercise their collective, democratic right to table a resolution inspired by Islam, in the Parliament or some Local Body, even if they - the People - wish it as such. Isn't that hypocritical when it comes to democracy especially considering that Democracy is Govt. by the People, of the People and For the People ?

Furthermore, why are drugs banned ? Why don't we allow their unbridled usage...surely let the person decide should they wish to fOok up their life or not ? Surely, their usage, in small doses doesn't accrue much harm but their abuse does. Similarly alcohol can also be abused to bring about ills ranging from domestic violence to cirrhosis ! Would it be acceptable to you if the Turkish Parliament exercises their democratic right to decide that 'alcohol' too is unacceptable to them, that they believe that it does more harm than good and that they - as representatives of the People - exercise popular will to ban its production and consumption.

P.S I'm playing devil's advocate ! :devil:
 
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There is several laws which I also opposite, such as ban of headscarf, besides that, they're free to comply Sharia laws, nothing stops them, but people who don't want it can't be oppressed.

Personel use of drugs should be free too, world gradually learns the meaning of freedom, for example homosexual marriage.
 
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How about Khalifa Recep Tayyip Erdogan start a new Dynasty in Turkey. Caliphate of Erdogan to lead the Muslims.

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Not sure if you're trolling or have no idea about Turkey.
 
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Aren't you doing exactly that when you say to someone who prescribes to the Muslim Faith : No, your affairs will not be handled as per the Shariah ! Which is to say...when you die, No, Islamic inheritance laws will not be applicable on you even if you wished it. When you get married or divorced, No, you're marriage and divorce proceedings will not be conducted as per the Shariah, even if the both of you wish it as such. In essence, you've practically thrown away legal pluralism that even a country like the United States respects.

Additionally, aren't you also exercising that same right when you tell a person or a group of people that No, they may not exercise their collective, democratic right to table a resolution inspired by Islam, in the Parliament or some Local Body, even if they - the People - wish it as such. Isn't that hypocritical when it comes to democracy especially considering that Democracy is Govt. by the People, of the People and For the People ?

Furthermore, why are drugs banned ? Why don't we allow their unbridled usage...surely let the person decide should they wish to fOok up their life or not ? Surely, their usage, in small doses doesn't accrue much harm but their abuse does. Similarly alcohol can also be abused to bring about ills ranging from domestic violence to cirrhosis ! Would it be acceptable to you if the Turkish Parliament exercises their democratic right to decide that 'alcohol' too is unacceptable to them, that they believe that it does more harm than good and that they - as representatives of the People - exercise popular will to ban its production and consumption.

P.S I'm playing devil's advocate ! :devil:

For some democracy only goes one way --> their way. Even if the people wants Shariah courts - as there are jewish courts in UK, US and Australia which are actually binding if one wishes to follow them.
 
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Deno's claims about youth is true. They just want to be "cool", their first objective is getting laid. I'm from Kirsehir, i know from my nephews.

Radical Islamism is not too strong in Central Anatolia. Just some parts in Kayseri and Konya. Btw Kirsehir is hosting many refugees from Iran.
 
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Aren't you doing exactly that when you say to someone who prescribes to the Muslim Faith : No, your affairs will not be handled as per the Shariah ! Which is to say...when you die, No, Islamic inheritance laws will not be applicable on you even if you wished it. When you get married or divorced, No, you're marriage and divorce proceedings will not be conducted as per the Shariah, even if the both of you wish it as such. In essence, you've practically thrown away legal pluralism that even a country like the United States respects.

Additionally, aren't you also exercising that same right when you tell a person or a group of people that No, they may not exercise their collective, democratic right to table a resolution inspired by Islam, in the Parliament or some Local Body, even if they - the People - wish it as such. Isn't that hypocritical when it comes to democracy especially considering that Democracy is Govt. by the People, of the People and For the People ?

Furthermore, why are drugs banned ? Why don't we allow their unbridled usage...surely let the person decide should they wish to fOok up their life or not ? Surely, their usage, in small doses doesn't accrue much harm but their abuse does. Similarly alcohol can also be abused to bring about ills ranging from domestic violence to cirrhosis ! Would it be acceptable to you if the Turkish Parliament exercises their democratic right to decide that 'alcohol' too is unacceptable to them, that they believe that it does more harm than good and that they - as representatives of the People - exercise popular will to ban its production and consumption.

P.S I'm playing devil's advocate ! :devil:

Banning sharia is not different from banning murder...
 
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Banning sharia is not different from banning murder...

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So forget what I or anyone of the idiots before Your Holiness the Dalai Deno said and listen to this instead (Thanks Quasar...!) :



ENJOY....! :woot:
 
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