Egyptian negotiations during the PAS2019 exhibition to contract JF17 fighter jets with the transfer

[Keysersoze]

I don’t know where are you from....but what ever the country you belong to ..... don’t ever compare your joke armies/countries with big mouths don’t compare it with Egypt that fought Israel 4 times
And the only country that defeated Israel and gets it’s land back ..... but we have chosen peace as a nation ..... if you want war you can ask your pathetic Armies to go to war with Israel from the sea avoiding Egypt ... or by air/Land through destroyed Syria or Lebanon ..... or even strike them with some ballistic Missiles from your land bases ..... but you will never do so .... you just want Egypt to fight all your wars and you watch it on tv.

Close your big mouth and work or even read before you write.

So pathetic people.

I don't know what books you have read but you.lost all the wars against Israel. Or at best drew one by political means. So I'd back off the tough talk if I were you.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We both know China could have done it alone, while Pakistan could not have. You are taking your info from Quwa, a Pakistani site which has obvious bias towards Pakistan. Most, if not all of the airframe was designed in China and Pakistan was allowed to produce it, don't act like you made the parts by yourself.

300 Pakistani engineers and pilots were involved in the project since get go.

While my dear Jordanian brother, you cant make a fuking 300 ton ship on your own.

Your forte is armouring commercial vehicles and producing russian RPGs.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What is your forte? Your country is 200 million people, and yet is way less developed than other countries much smaller than you miltiary wise. Sweden a country of 10 million can make better aircraft than you.

Swedish aviation is supported by EU & US.


Their Gripen uses both american and European systems which america can veto in case of a third party purchase.

And gripen has no edge over JF-17.

Neither is Pakistan in Europe nor Oil rich.

With all the oil wealth you cant even make a fukin missile boat.

Lets take jordans example, you are an upper income country, no enemies, no war.

Whats your scientific output? Fuking armoured cars and russian rpgs?

Or jobara? The multiple BM-21s on a truck?

 

[Trango Towers]

We both know China could have done it alone, while Pakistan could not have. You are taking your info from Quwa, a Pakistani site which has obvious bias towards Pakistan. Most, if not all of the airframe was designed in China and Pakistan was allowed to produce it, don't act like you made the parts by yourself.

True....but then again that's why it's a JV and its silhouette is that of an f16 not a mig so where should China get access to an f16. You people are upset because we can and you cant. But hey. K8 trainer. JV and the Egyptians got a production line. Say what you like we are doing it and you are still talking. Best you got is a falafel machine

 

[Microsoft]

I’m still not sure about the capabilities of such a fighter....still the engine is weak and it’s durability is questionable...... I hope the the 3rd generation has much advanced capabilities as we need not less than 100 fighters that will be a backbone of EAF so the deal must include TOT and some advanced avionics and EM must be produced domestically or even with cooperation with European companies ..... after all we are facing Israel not India ...... so our standards must me higher.

Laughable to say the least.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Swedish aviation is supported by EU & US.

Their Gripen uses both american and European systems which america can veto in case of a third party purchase.

Neither is Pakistan in Europe nor Oil rich.

With all the oil wealth you cant even make a fukin missile boat.

Lets take jordans example, you are an upper income country, no enemies, no war.

Whats your scientific output? Fuking armoured cars and russian rpgs?

Or jobara? The multiple BM-21s on a truck?

What oil wealth? Jordan has no oil m8 you f*cking retard who knows nothing about the Arab states. Jordan has a 20 year old defense industry suited by army requirements which are much different that Pakistan's. How many millions in exports did Pakistan may this year? Jordan made at least 77 million and much more in Libya.

 

[Microsoft]

What oil wealth? Jordan has no oil m8 you f*cking retard who knows nothing about the Arab states. Jordan has a 20 year old defense industry suited by army requirements which are much different that Pakistan's. How many millions in exports did Pakistan may this year? Jordan made at least 77 million and much more in Libya.

It's only a matter of time until Jordan is annexed by Israel. Simmer down.

 

[Philip the Arab]

It's only a matter of time until Jordan is annexed by Israel. Simmer down.

Only in your wildest wet dreams.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

True....but then again that's why it's a JV and its silhouette is that of an f16 not a mig so where should China get access to an f16. You people are upset because we can and you cant. But hey. K8 trainer. JV and the Egyptians got a production line. Say what you like we are doing it and you are still talking. Best you got is a falafel machine

Shhh.. since Jordan is rich and has the same population as Sweden, @Philip the Arab what have you achieved? Localisation of russian Rpgs? Lmao.

 

[Trango Towers]

What oil wealth? Jordan has no oil m8 you f*cking retard who knows nothing about the Arab states. Jordan has a 20 year old defense industry suited by army requirements which are much different that Pakistan's. How many millions in exports did Pakistan may this year? Jordan made at least 77 million and much more in Libya.

Jordan cant even protect the daughter of king who has run away to UK for protection. Arabs are a joke as are their Jewish masters.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Shhh.. since Jordan is rich and has the same population as Sweden, @Philip the Arab what have you achieved? Localisation of russian Rpgs? Lmao.

We still export more weapons than you lol. A country of 10 million sells more than a country of 200 million.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What oil wealth? Jordan has no oil m8 you f*cking retard who knows nothing about the Arab states. Jordan has a 20 year old defense industry suited by army requirements which are much different that Pakistan's. How many millions in exports did Pakistan may this year? Jordan made at least 77 million and much more in Libya.

You ..t, we sold small arms and ammunition to KSA alone for 100 million.

We reached the 300 million mark in 2008.

 

[Sine Nomine]

FC-1 /JF-1 again
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Egypt has more than one option to buy fighter jets to replace the old fighters, including the MiG-35, which is not high price , and Russian are also offering local production in the same style as the SU-30MKI .
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Egypt has already bought 50 MiG-35s and the Russians have offered the production of MiG-35 to India and even Bangladesh. Egypt's production of MIG-35 domestically is doubling Egypt's requests to buy them instead of even a plane such as Rafal

Historically, India bought 50 SU-30MKI planes at a price of 2 billion dollars, followed by 140 aircraft at 3500 million dollars. The price dropped to 25 million dollars in domestic production


In comparison, it is very difficult for a FC-1 /JF-17 Chinese plane to have a location and to see clear facts
The plane was previously rejected by Egyptian pilots and the results were not valid as a fighter for EAF.

JF-17 life 3500-4000 flight hour F-16 life is 12,000 flight hours. F-15 16,000 hours flight hours

FC-1 Low-life low quality
compares to a simple example when Egypt got the Chinese K-8 training plane The Chinese and Pakistani versions of the aircraft were 8000 flying hours while the Egyptian aircraft was 14000 flying hours and also the Egyptian plane. with an American engine,

So what is the benefit of Egypt's negotiation on the production of the F-1 plane and its acquisition of real interest?
we but Russian is in a position of competition such as the previous deal that China lost to the MiG-29 for years


The danger of Egypt getting the Chinese FC-1/JF-17

The plane Age is 20-25 years old and Egypt's fleet of F-16 will start out of service between 2030-2040 with the number of 211 aircraft currently in the case of the purchase of Egypt aircraft FC1
In 2040, Egypt will need to replace 350 aircraft at one time, a collapse of 60% of the Egyptian Air Force Fleet , then allow Egypt to produce a plane with a longer operational life Like MIG-35

The most important point is the fourth generation aircraft, such as the FC-1 Radar, with its weakest AESA in the world EW capabilities, a weak Airframe that have no chance against fifth-generation fighter jets, of course, and even the difficulty of responding to aircraft such as F-15I & F-16I

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The Real chance for the FC-1 is simply that China and Pakistan are trying to promote it to Egypt as an alternative to the training planes. ALPHA JET AND L-39/59
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The plane FC-1B/JF-17B was working to reduce the cost of flight hour and the development of the engine to reduce fuel consumption may become a good advanced training aircraft in this case, which Pakistan tried to promote the former Qatar ALPHA JET

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Some Pakistanis fancy that if Egypt bought this FC-1/JF-17 , it would be in return to improve the Egyptian-Turkish relationship, and this is unacceptable. Egypt has its role in the Middle East, expelling Turkey from the Middle East, and whoever wants the Turks, he and the Turks will go to Hell.

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Egypt has regional enemies Israeli Turks, Iranians and Ethiopians and therefore Egypt's role is to strengthen its air force to confront any threats in the Middle East


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Coming from EAF which operated F-16 without BVR for long.

 

[Philip the Arab]

You fukin idiot, we sold small arms and ammunition to KSA alone for 100 million.

We reached the 300 million mark in 2008.

How much in 2019 huh? Jordan has sold 77 million to the UAE and at least 10-20 million in Libya.

 

[Basel]

I’m still not sure about the capabilities of such a fighter....still the engine is weak and it’s durability is questionable...... I hope the the 3rd generation has much advanced capabilities as we need not less than 100 fighters that will be a backbone of EAF so the deal must include TOT and some advanced avionics and EM must be produced domestically or even with cooperation with European companies ..... after all we are facing Israel not India ...... so our standards must me higher.

If engine is weak then why buying Mig-35/29s from Russia?? It has same engine.

Fact is no other aircraft is available to Egypt with customization options like JFT, block-3 will be bang of the bucks as it will be low cost 4++ gen fighter which can perform majority of roles which expensive birds performs and it has very good standoff / BVR capability with SOM, RAAD, C-802AKG, PL-10/15, REKs, etc.