Egyptian Armed Forces

[Gomig-21]

But the FREMM Bergamini from what it offers from capabilities it's a destroyer
And yeah they have strongest Navy in middle east but always remember that our Navy never lost a single Battle in it's entire history (Correct me if am wrong)
Even in 1967 defeat the navy was the weapon that didn't lose in fact it stopped an Israeli Submarine from mining the Egyptian Fleet near coast of Alexandria and the crew was captured

You know what the letter 'F' in FREMM stands for, bro? lol. Frégate Européenne Multi-Mission Just messing with you, BTW.

The 3 main differences between destroyers and frigates is in their displacement, dimensions and capabilities but the latter two are very similar these days as both can carry the same weapons and number and essentially have the same capabilities. Understandably, destroyers are usually larger, more capable and faster than frigates so the major difference is the size measured in the displacement. The average displacement of a frigate is around 6,000 tons and for destroyers, it's around 10,000+ tons, almost double in most cases.

Hard to believe, really, when you look at the size of Al-Galala, it seems larger than its French sister, but I think the towers and double masts on the ship compared to the Tahya Misr make it appear much larger. I think also a lot of what is in those towers also offer a lot more than it's French counterpart.

If they could trade the French FREMM for another Italian one, they should do it. Simply for the sake of commonality since they'll be adding to the number of Italian FREMMs as well as adding the German Mekos. Having 4 or 6 Mekos and 2 or 4 Italian FREMMS makes getting rid of the French-built Tahya Misr a no-brainer IMO. But that's just me.

As far as the Egyptian Navy's record AND the interesting "coincidence" that the Eilat was considered a destroyer, this little article describes a lot of what we're talking about - the EGY Navy record (if you consider missile boats actually part of the record or not?) And, how the sinking of the Eilat was retaliatory to the sinking of two EGY Navy missile boats 3 days prior AND, how it was a huge & important milestone in naval surface warfare but of course, doesn't get mentioned as it should.

CAIRO – 29 May 2018: Egypt’s President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi decreed issuing a commemorative Golden Jubilee medal for the Egyptian naval forces on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the sinking of Israeli Eilat destroyer.

The medal will be awarded to all members of the naval forces in service until October 21, 2017. The presidential decree no. 236/2018 was published in the Gazette.

Eilat, built in 1944, was originally serving in the British Royal Navy under the name of HMS ZEALOUS during the Second World War, participating in operations in the North Sea and off the Norwegian coast, before taking part in some of the Arctic convoys. It was sold to the Israeli Navy and participated in the Suez Crisis in 1956, attacking Egyptian ships and was still active by the outbreak of the Six-Day War in 1967.

In July 1967, the Eilat along with two motor torpedo boats (MTBs) encountered two Egyptian torpedo boats during one of its patrols off the northern Sinai shore. Giving chase, Eilat eventually sank both boats with the loss of all hands – but the chase took them into Egyptian waters. While celebrated in Israel, it was roundly condemned in Egypt, which began planning a suitable response.

Only three months after this incident, Eilat was sunk. on October 21, 1967, an Egyptian Komar-class missile boat positioned within the harbor at Port Said fired two missiles at the Israeli destroyer. Eilat's radar did not reveal any suspicious activity or movements because the Egyptians launched the missiles from within the port. Eilat's captain ordered evasive action when the missiles were detected, but the first missile hit the ship just above the waterline. Two minutes later the second missile struck, causing additional casualties.

ِِAround an hour later another Egyptian Komar-class missile boat from Port Said harbor fired two more Styx missiles at Eilat. The third missile hit Eilat amidships, causing more damage and further fires, while the fourth went astray and crashed in the water nearby. Eilat sank about two minutes later. Out of a crew of 199 members, 47 were killed and more than a hundred were wounded.

This made Eilat the first vessel to be sunk by a missile boat in wartime. It was an important milestone in naval surface warfare.

Nice new pic of an EAF Rafale in house for what looks like either a pylon inspection or a pylon change.

 

[Kellar777]

You know what the letter 'F' in FREMM stands for, bro? lol. Frégate Européenne Multi-Mission Just messing with you, BTW.

The 3 main differences between destroyers and frigates is in their displacement, dimensions and capabilities but the latter two are very similar these days as both can carry the same weapons and number and essentially have the same capabilities. Understandably, destroyers are usually larger, more capable and faster than frigates so the major difference is the size measured in the displacement. The average displacement of a frigate is around 6,000 tons and for destroyers, it's around 10,000+ tons, almost double in most cases.

Hard to believe, really, when you look at the size of Al-Galala, it seems larger than its French sister, but I think the towers and double masts on the ship compared to the Tahya Misr make it appear much larger. I think also a lot of what is in those towers also offer a lot more than it's French counterpart.

If they could trade the French FREMM for another Italian one, they should do it. Simply for the sake of commonality since they'll be adding to the number of Italian FREMMs as well as adding the German Mekos. Having 4 or 6 Mekos and 2 or 4 Italian FREMMS makes getting rid of the French-built Tahya Misr a no-brainer IMO. But that's just me.

As far as the Egyptian Navy's record AND the interesting "coincidence" that the Eilat was considered a destroyer, this little article describes a lot of what we're talking about - the EGY Navy record (if you consider missile boats actually part of the record or not?) And, how the sinking of the Eilat was retaliatory to the sinking of two EGY Navy missile boats 3 days prior AND, how it was a huge & important milestone in naval surface warfare but of course, doesn't get mentioned as it should.

CAIRO – 29 May 2018: Egypt’s President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi decreed issuing a commemorative Golden Jubilee medal for the Egyptian naval forces on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the sinking of Israeli Eilat destroyer.

The medal will be awarded to all members of the naval forces in service until October 21, 2017. The presidential decree no. 236/2018 was published in the Gazette.

Eilat, built in 1944, was originally serving in the British Royal Navy under the name of HMS ZEALOUS during the Second World War, participating in operations in the North Sea and off the Norwegian coast, before taking part in some of the Arctic convoys. It was sold to the Israeli Navy and participated in the Suez Crisis in 1956, attacking Egyptian ships and was still active by the outbreak of the Six-Day War in 1967.

In July 1967, the Eilat along with two motor torpedo boats (MTBs) encountered two Egyptian torpedo boats during one of its patrols off the northern Sinai shore. Giving chase, Eilat eventually sank both boats with the loss of all hands – but the chase took them into Egyptian waters. While celebrated in Israel, it was roundly condemned in Egypt, which began planning a suitable response.

Only three months after this incident, Eilat was sunk. on October 21, 1967, an Egyptian Komar-class missile boat positioned within the harbor at Port Said fired two missiles at the Israeli destroyer. Eilat's radar did not reveal any suspicious activity or movements because the Egyptians launched the missiles from within the port. Eilat's captain ordered evasive action when the missiles were detected, but the first missile hit the ship just above the waterline. Two minutes later the second missile struck, causing additional casualties.

ِِAround an hour later another Egyptian Komar-class missile boat from Port Said harbor fired two more Styx missiles at Eilat. The third missile hit Eilat amidships, causing more damage and further fires, while the fourth went astray and crashed in the water nearby. Eilat sank about two minutes later. Out of a crew of 199 members, 47 were killed and more than a hundred were wounded.

This made Eilat the first vessel to be sunk by a missile boat in wartime. It was an important milestone in naval surface warfare.

Nice new pic of an EAF Rafale in house for what looks like either a pylon inspection or a pylon change.

Yes yes I know that It is a Frigate but it's capabilities are like destroyers
Just like Russian Warships their corvettes are like frigates and their frigates are like destroyers

I think destroyer era is no more no one operates them anymore

I mean about the Egyptian Navy History is full of victories since Mohammed Ali Pasha as well as it's one of the oldest Navy on Earth (Exist since 2800 BC) and was the first to use Surface to Surface Missiles in Naval Warfare
I am searching for battles the Egyptian Navy lost I only found one happened in 1973 I think 8th of October because the Missiles missed their targets

But the cool thing is the Achievement in 1967
I mean stopping the Submarine and the crew gets captured ,
Destroying Eylat
Massive Achievements in War of Attrition these things are important since the navy was fighting with the wounds of 1967 defeat that didn't heal not just the navy but also the other army branches

 

[The SC]

Egypt is in discussion with Paris on a new order from the Rafale for 24 to 30 additional fighters..

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...e-annee-du-rafale-a-l-exportation-868256.html

 

[Gomig-21]

Egypt is in discussion with Paris on a new order from the Rafale for 24 to 30 additional fighters..

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...e-annee-du-rafale-a-l-exportation-868256.html

Unfortunately you have to pay to read the entire article so I didn't see the part where it said 24 to 30 additional fighters. What I saw was - These eight countries are interested to varying degrees are Greece, Switzerland, Croatia, Finland, India, Indonesia, Egypt and United Arab Emirates? Wow, I remember when the UAE wanted 60 Rafales and that fizzled out. I think now with them getting the F-35 and possibly upgrading the F-16 block 60 to the next step or whatever that I doubt they'd be interested in the Rafale at this stage. But who knows.

What I do know is the French are tough to negotiate with and difficult to make a deal like this work and this would be the 5th time we hear of a possible deal being made and let's hope the 5th time is the charm! lol

I don't think there is a single person who would object to that. If anything, it would shut the door on the Typhoons which most would be pleased to hear, so that's a good thing. Let's see what happens. Yallah ya Faransa!

 

[karamany98]

I heard before that there was a tender to procure a howitzer for the Egyptian military and the choices included the following K-2 Thunder(Korea), CAESAR(France) and T5-52(South Africa).
Which one do you think is the best?

 

[Gomig-21]

I heard before that there was a tender to procure a howitzer for the Egyptian military and the choices included the following K-2 Thunder(Korea), CAESAR(France) and T5-52(South Africa).
Which one do you think is the best?

The only available info is this on the K-9 Thunder Wiki page.

In April 2017, it was reported that Hanwha Techwin was in negotiations with Egypt to export its K9 Thunder self-propelled howitzer. The K9 Thunder is one of the contenders for supplying Egypt with new artillery systems, other howitzers competing with the K9 include those from Russia, South Africa and France, specifically the CAESAR self-propelled howitzer.[45] South Korea's K9 self-propelled howitzer began performance evaluation tests in Egypt at the end of July 2017. A K9 howitzer arrived in Egypt earlier that month for test-firing at a range located west of Cairo. Egypt plans to complete performance evaluations of the howitzer by the end of the year and sign a contract in early 2018.

K9 Thunder - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not sure if that contract was in fact signed in 2018 or not. We haven't heard much about it since they were testing it in Egypt but I think if they went through that extent, then they were probably looking at the K-9 Thunder as the contender.

Here's a pic of the French Caesar self-propelled 155m howitzer being tested in Egypt in late 2017 I believe.

 

[Gomig-21]

Is the pic of the Berghamini FREMM with parts detailed showing up, fellas?

 

[Kellar777]

The only available info is this on the K-9 Thunder Wiki page.

In April 2017, it was reported that Hanwha Techwin was in negotiations with Egypt to export its K9 Thunder self-propelled howitzer. The K9 Thunder is one of the contenders for supplying Egypt with new artillery systems, other howitzers competing with the K9 include those from Russia, South Africa and France, specifically the CAESAR self-propelled howitzer.[45] South Korea's K9 self-propelled howitzer began performance evaluation tests in Egypt at the end of July 2017. A K9 howitzer arrived in Egypt earlier that month for test-firing at a range located west of Cairo. Egypt plans to complete performance evaluations of the howitzer by the end of the year and sign a contract in early 2018.

K9 Thunder - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not sure if that contract was in fact signed in 2018 or not. We haven't heard much about it since they were testing it in Egypt but I think if they went through that extent, then they were probably looking at the K-9 Thunder as the contender.

Here's a pic of the French Caesar self-propelled 155m howitzer being tested in Egypt in late 2017 I believe.

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Here is another pic of Caesar in Egypt
I think but not sure there were news saying that egypt plans to have it produced locally with Tot not sure

 

[Gomig-21]

Here is another pic of Caesar in Egypt
I think but not sure there were news saying that egypt plans to have it produced locally with Tot not sure

I hope we find out at some point which one they chose (or if they even chose one) to replace the M109 Howitzer which is a tracked version and is also very old. IIRC, the US started supplying those in the late 80's? I might be wrong about the date but they are old, for sure.

Speaking of old, I think they really need to replace the Romeo Submarines and according to Wiki, the EN has 8 of them? Not sure all 8 are operating because of their age, I think they're down to 4 but anyone with more knowledge can correct me if I'm wrong. They don't have to replace them with more Type 209s from Germany since the cost of those is prohibitive. But they can always look for other Chinese alternatives to the Romeos and stock up on those. That underwater fleet needs a bit more strengthening than it already is at.

And then maybe paint them like this.

 

[Titanium100]

Theoretical modernisation of M1A1 with indigenous RWS similar to CROWS.
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It could use a further upgrade additions such Laser guided missiles on the abrams tanks

 

[The SC]

The Navy receives the "Port Said" stealth frigate (Gowind) from Alexandria's arsenal

 

[Kellar777]

I hope we find out at some point which one they chose (or if they even chose one) to replace the M109 Howitzer which is a tracked version and is also very old. IIRC, the US started supplying those in the late 80's? I might be wrong about the date but they are old, for sure.

Speaking of old, I think they really need to replace the Romeo Submarines and according to Wiki, the EN has 8 of them? Not sure all 8 are operating because of their age, I think they're down to 4 but anyone with more knowledge can correct me if I'm wrong. They don't have to replace them with more Type 209s from Germany since the cost of those is prohibitive. But they can always look for other Chinese alternatives to the Romeos and stock up on those. That underwater fleet needs a bit more strengthening than it already is at.

And then maybe paint them like this.

There are some rumors predicting that egypt might Purchase French Submarines

 

[Gomig-21]

The Navy receives the "Port Said" stealth frigate (Gowind) from Alexandria's arsenal

You know, reading about this today from one of the local sources and it's interesting that this ship was launched a while ago, yet it is just now being handed to the EN to begin active duties and we forget that just because the ship has been built and put to sea, doesn't mean it's ready for service right away! lol. There are months of sea worthiness testing to do and equipment testing and weapons testing and comms testing etc. etc. and if there are any issues -- which there always are since nothing goes 100% smoothly -- then it's back to the dock to repair or adjust and so on. It's quite a tedious process to certify a ship of this caliber to be ready for sea operations. Something I think we tend to oversee or forget about.

 

[Kellar777]

You know, reading about this today from one of the local sources and it's interesting that this ship was launched a while ago, yet it is just now being handed to the EN to begin active duties and we forget that just because the ship has been built and put to sea, doesn't mean it's ready for service right away! lol. There are months of sea worthiness testing to do and equipment testing and weapons testing and comms testing etc. etc. and if there are any issues -- which there always are since nothing goes 100% smoothly -- then it's back to the dock to repair or adjust and so on. It's quite a tedious process to certify a ship of this caliber to be ready for sea operations. Something I think we tend to oversee or forget about.

It takes exactly 3 years after launching the Ship to enter the service
These 3 years contains
* Receiving the Weapons and Systems
* Testing the Ship and it's Systems
* Training the Crew on the New Ship
I am waiting for the day we arm our built warships with Egypt made Weapons and Systems just like israel
Fun Fact
Sa'ar 6 was built by Germany and israel Equipped it with it's made systems
Gowinds were built by egypt but equipped with European Systems

 

[Gomig-21]

It takes exactly 3 years after launching the Ship to enter the service
These 3 years contains
* Receiving the Weapons and Systems
* Testing the Ship and it's Systems
* Training the Crew on the New Ship
I am waiting for the day we arm our built warships with Egypt made Weapons and Systems just like israel
Fun Fact
Sa'ar 6 was built by Germany and israel Equipped it with it's made systems
Gowinds were built by egypt but equipped with European Systems

Nice. So apparently Naval Group of France has made some offer to the Egyptian Navy for a submarined package like you mentioned before. Also last week when the German foreign minister was visiting Egypt, there was discussion about possible additional German submarines. I would tell the French thanks but no thanks and try to work with the Germans on more of their subs because of all the reasons we already know.

New pic of an EAF Heavy Su-35SE. The covered Egyptian flag on the tail is visible, but I still don't see any roundel anywhere. I hope they put one on the fuselage somewhere. Either way, 9214 looks pretty damn good! Yalla ba2a ya russeyeen ya ged3an khalassu el tayarat dol!