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#News: Egypt is set to acquire 24 newly built Eurofighter Typhoons from Italy šŸ˜® With this purchase the Egyptian Air Force will operate the most diverse fighter fleet in the world. Yup, THE most - with American F-16s, French Rafales & Mirages, Russian MiG-29s, and now Italian Typhoons!
Anyone remember talking about the UK selling egypt their 50 typhoons? I guess we can expect that to happen sometime in the future? Since it would be too good to not take. This is just me assuming but they should be upgraded to the tranche 4 model should it happen

ST series was designed by South Africans which is why itā€™s better than the Temsah series.
Oh cmon I thought egys designed it dont do ke like this. I believe there were some egyptians that took part in designing it
 
Anyone remember talking about the UK selling egypt their 50 typhoons? I guess we can expect that to happen sometime in the future? Since it would be too good to not take. This is just me assuming but they should be upgraded to the tranche 4 model should it happen
They are old EFT Tranche 1. So upgrading them to Tranch 3 or 4 will be expensive so logically buy new 24 EFT Tranch 3/4.
 
There is the new Egyptian Rafale deal. Egypt will need 180 MICA NG missiles, along with another batch of 150 missiles for the first Rafale deal, France will sell Meteor missiles to Egypt, but in a long period of time and in quantities that are basically insufficient to meet the Egyptian needs, in addition to the very high price
along with more missiles for other fighters.

In another post of yours (I had the quote but accidently deleted it and now I can't find it) but you mentioned that it doesn't take more than $150 million to build your own BVR missile and that we had the Russian missiles we could've easily worked something out with them just like India did when it bought 250 or so Su-30MKI with ToT, as a return imbursement for such a lucrative contract for the Russians, they provided some more ToT of which the Indians I believe developed the ASTRA missile etc. That being said, you mentioned that Egypt has bought essentially what amounts to 80 MiGs and Sukhois and the 46 Ka-52s and much more that it wouldn't have been too difficult to work something out with them for a ToT on the R-77-1 even and develop Egypt's own BVR missile.

You know I've been screaming about this for 20 years?! Screaming and so pissed off they couldn't get off their behinds and put something like that together and force the US to allow integration on the F-16s. Make it so that it's versatile for western and eastern aircraft which really isn't difficult considering what they've pulled off with the RISC2. Maybe even call it the Pharoah 1!! Make it so it's a 100km+ missile and with all the incredible radars they've built to date, it wouldn't be farfetched by any means for them to develop an AESA radar. Get that bad boy into the F-16s and be proactive about such vital systems. So glad to ready you're saying the same exact thing.

So, 150 meteors is your information on the quantity ordered by the EAF and agreed on by MBDA & Dassault? But they'll be supplied slowly as to not give the EAF instant dominance in the BVR field or is it a cost/financing issue? I'll just be happy to see 1 Rafale equipped with meteors and I'll be able to sleep well.

Now comes the EFT deal and what to make of that. Once Draghi finally decides to call Sisi and tell him it's a deal and the EAF contract 24 Typhoons, then we can really discuss the additional number of meteors they'll need for that batch and I honestly love the idea that not only did they add the Typhoon for the sake of minimizing the need for the F-15 and leveraging a hand on the US, but to increase the Eurotrash Delta/Canard contingent in the EAF because of Dassault's inability to supply additional Rafales fast enough because of all the additional contracts they've taken on, primarily the UAE's 80 units. So I thought that was brilliant by the EAF to pull that off which hopefully they will and add the EFTs to the Rafales for a total of 78 of those bad Laries. Once they officially announce a deal, we can further discuss what to do about possibly needing to replace the Brimstones, possibly with NG AASM HAMMERs. The IRIS-Ts short range off boresight missiles are fantastic, but perhaps they can also replace those with MICA NGs equivalent to keep the munitions as common as possible between the Rafales and Typhoons.

Next to Egypt, it ordered 300 Scalp missiles to arm the Rafale, in addition to the previous 100 missiles

Much better than the 100 for the first 24. That's the same as Saudi Arabia and the UAE with the Storm Shadow, so that's a good thing. Let's hope that's a reality ISA.

Speaking of cruise missile, hopefully that quick snippet in that video that @Ghostkiller posted is either an indigenous anti-ship CM or better yet, a versatile cruise missile for land and ship targets so that the EAF finally has its own CM that is not limited to 300 km by ITAR regulations which all the SCALPs and possible BRAHMOS' as well as the Brazilian missile etc are. Having the ability to extend that limited distance would be a HUGE benefit and a must.

You have to admit that our local television is absloutely useless so we resort to youtube for any news relating to this country

Yes, you're right, for the most part. Occasionally there is a decent program that reveals new and great info like the one with Younis Hamed, former EAF chief. His interview shed a lot of light on several things, but I agree with you on the general premise.

BTW, hopefully my trip back to Egypt will coincide with EDEX. My brother said he would easily get us in if I made it down there in December when the exhibit it scheduled. I'll have to figure out the timing and try to make it work. Need to spend a week in spectacular Cairo with paternal family ISA, a week in phenomenal Alexandria with maternal family and another week between Marsa Matruh and the superb waters of Sharm or Ras Mohammad. Gonna be exhausted after those 3+ weeks! :D

Anyway that new drone that was revealed is utterly identical to UAE drones. Is this some sort of mechanism the army incoperates to keep designing military hardware to stay on top? We all know that military companies are declining and are very bad and the ones that fail get sold either to the gulf or the private sector to hide the fact theyre failing. Any goverment is a bad salesman and an even worse investor. They know if they let the private sector take its freedom they would dominate in every single sector of the economy and defense industry and simply put they are highly educated and these are forced to travel abroad and here is one example the St-500\ST-100 are a million times better than the temsah family and perhaps the best in the world. The military cannot keep going on like this or we will never reach the targets at 2030. Once you see the military kicked out of the economy completely you will see this country as a powerhouse bigger than Europe. ICER is a company owned by a UAE buissness man headquartered in Egypt which produces almost identical drones to that of the UAE and i have a bad feeling about this. They have incoperated IMUT as part of the MoMP which gives control to the military about the future of the designs of the company. I have a very bad feeling about ICER and how they keep copying UAE drones

Love seeing the honesty and not the old worrying about speaking one's mind. Very refreshing to read.

I think it should be half and half. Have some companies emerge to prioritize quality and capability, and have the military have its own owned stuff to have something thats satisfactory enough to get the job done

And I highly doubt the military would give up full control of any form of R&D plus production capacity in the first place. They'll be sure to hold on to 51% or more without a doubt lol.


There's a lot going on between India and Egypt lately.

ST series was designed by South Africans which is why itā€™s better than the Temsah series.

Wuuuuut?! I know you didn't mean it the way you wrote that! :-) BTW, I'm seeing a lot more similar tech to the Al Tariq in the way the missiles are mounted upside down on the pylons and then flip right-side up once fired. Seems like others are copying that very cool concept.

Queen of fighters

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The researcher and Egyptian expert in military aviation affairs, Mina Adel, said that the ā€œSukhoi-35ā€ is the most important fighter in the Russian Air Force, explaining that the ā€œSu-35ā€ has unique capabilities during air engagement..

@Gomig-21

Love it! His first name is Mina? Seems like he discounted the Su-57 with 6 of them being delivered to the VVS and a couple already used in Ukraine. :-)

Hope those things start showing up soon. The US ain't never gonna offer anything good enough to replace this whole deal, and they certainly won't once the EAF starts accepting these, it's just the consequences that make the decision very uneasy.

Hey, perhaps the Indian UTAM AESA, if it turns out to be a smash hit -- and they do sign this big ToT deal with HAL -- could end up replacing the Zhuk-ME on the MiG-29M/M2s and who knows what other aircraft? That would be quite the thing. I was hoping to look into that UTAM radar a bit more once I had more time. I think either you or @sami_1 sam I am posted a detailed write-up about it? I'll have to go check his thread.

India has really outdone itself, between the Tejas, the ASTRA, the DRUV and many other indigenous projects and all the friendly get-togethers with their Su-30MKIs and navy etc., is a big indication of something huge coming up between the two counties.
 
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They are old EFT Tranche 1. So upgrading them to Tranch 3 or 4 will be expensive so logically buy new 24 EFT Tranch 3/4.
Should at least consider it for a discounted price, sounds too good to let go, depends on how they make more deals with the UK besides purchasing those maintenance ships
 
Should at least consider it for a discounted price, sounds too good to let go, depends on how they make more deals with the UK besides purchasing those maintenance ships
I think those EFT are one of the oldest aircrafts in their fleet among the first batch and plus they are used. I think that EAF doesn't like used aircrafts (maybe an exeception for F-4 because we just signed Camp David Accords).
In another post of yours (I had the quote but accidently deleted it and now I can't find it) but you mentioned that it doesn't take more than $150 million to build your own BVR missile and that we had the Russian missiles we could've easily worked something out with them just like India did when it bought 250 or so Su-30MKI with ToT, as a return imbursement for such a lucrative contract for the Russians, they provided some more ToT of which the Indians I believe developed the ASTRA missile etc. That being said, you mentioned that Egypt has bought essentially what amounts to 80 MiGs and Sukhois and the 46 Ka-52s and much more that it wouldn't have been too difficult to work something out with them for a ToT on the R-77-1 even and develop Egypt's own BVR missile.
Look Turkey just developed successfully their BVR missile and they tested and plus it will enter service this year. @sami_1 I have a question, you have sources I trust you but I need source so I can argue with people with sources.
 
@Gomig-21
I meant South Africans have been making MRAPs for 30+ years since the Bush wars and are the inventors of it so I expect them to be much better at it than others.

They even sold a lot to American forces for use in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Oh cmon I thought egys designed it dont do ke like this. I believe there were some egyptians that took part in designing it
There was egyptians designing they hQ'd themselves in south africa because there wasnt really hope from mubarak and reopned in Egypt 2016-2017
They used south african tech and had south african designers
 
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@Gomig-21 Completely agree on the BVR part remember that sparrow with an odd seeker? That remains a mystery. Have a nice vacation and make sure to visit the montzah while you are at Alex they are upgrading it and leaving a space if anyone wants to revisit the old montzah with ancient trees and the vibe of it. Make sure to capture us some angles of the hardware at EDEX would love to see it . You pretty much landed the locations with this vacation
 
@Gomig-21 Completely agree on the BVR part remember that sparrow with an odd seeker? That remains a mystery. Have a nice vacation and make sure to visit the montzah while you are at Alex they are upgrading it and leaving a space if anyone wants to revisit the old montzah with ancient trees and the vibe of it. Make sure to capture us some angles of the hardware at EDEX would love to see it . You pretty much landed the locations with this vacation
I hope that this Sparrow has an active seeker radar to become a FOX-3 missile.
 
In another post of yours (I had the quote but accidently deleted it and now I can't find it) but you mentioned that it doesn't take more than $150 million to build your own BVR missile and that we had the Russian missiles we could've easily worked something out with them just like India did when it bought 250 or so Su-30MKI with ToT, as a return imbursement for such a lucrative contract for the Russians, they provided some more ToT of which the Indians I believe developed the ASTRA missile etc. That being said, you mentioned that Egypt has bought essentially what amounts to 80 MiGs and Sukhois and the 46 Ka-52s and much more that it wouldn't have been too difficult to work something out with them for a ToT on the R-77-1 even and develop Egypt's own BVR missile.

You know I've been screaming about this for 20 years?! Screaming and so pissed off they couldn't get off their behinds and put something like that together and force the US to allow integration on the F-16s. Make it so that it's versatile for western and eastern aircraft which really isn't difficult considering what they've pulled off with the RISC2. Maybe even call it the Pharoah 1!! Make it so it's a 100km+ missile and with all the incredible radars they've built to date, it wouldn't be farfetched by any means for them to develop an AESA radar. Get that bad boy into the F-16s and be proactive about such vital systems. So glad to ready you're saying the same exact thing.

So, 150 meteors is your information on the quantity ordered by the EAF and agreed on by MBDA & Dassault? But they'll be supplied slowly as to not give the EAF instant dominance in the BVR field or is it a cost/financing issue? I'll just be happy to see 1 Rafale equipped with meteors and I'll be able to sleep well.

Now comes the EFT deal and what to make of that. Once Draghi finally decides to call Sisi and tell him it's a deal and the EAF contract 24 Typhoons, then we can really discuss the additional number of meteors they'll need for that batch and I honestly love the idea that not only did they add the Typhoon for the sake of minimizing the need for the F-15 and leveraging a hand on the US, but to increase the Eurotrash Delta/Canard contingent in the EAF because of Dassault's inability to supply additional Rafales fast enough because of all the additional contracts they've taken on, primarily the UAE's 80 units. So I thought that was brilliant by the EAF to pull that off which hopefully they will and add the EFTs to the Rafales for a total of 78 of those bad Laries. Once they officially announce a deal, we can further discuss what to do about possibly needing to replace the Brimstones, possibly with NG AASM HAMMERs. The IRIS-Ts short range off boresight missiles are fantastic, but perhaps they can also replace those with MICA NGs equivalent to keep the munitions as common as possible between the Rafales and Typhoons.



Much better than the 100 for the first 24. That's the same as Saudi Arabia and the UAE with the Storm Shadow, so that's a good thing. Let's hope that's a reality ISA.

Speaking of cruise missile, hopefully that quick snippet in that video that @Ghostkiller posted is either an indigenous anti-ship CM or better yet, a versatile cruise missile for land and ship targets so that the EAF finally has its own CM that is not limited to 300 km by ITAR regulations which all the SCALPs and possible BRAHMOS' as well as the Brazilian missile etc are. Having the ability to extend that limited distance would be a HUGE benefit and a must.



Yes, you're right, for the most part. Occasionally there is a decent program that reveals new and great info like the one with Younis Hamed, former EAF chief. His interview shed a lot of light on several things, but I agree with you on the general premise.

BTW, hopefully my trip back to Egypt will coincide with EDEX. My brother said he would easily get us in if I made it down there in December when the exhibit it scheduled. I'll have to figure out the timing and try to make it work. Need to spend a week in spectacular Cairo with paternal family ISA, a week in phenomenal Alexandria with maternal family and another week between Marsa Matruh and the superb waters of Sharm or Ras Mohammad. Gonna be exhausted after those 3+ weeks! :D



Love seeing the honesty and not the old worrying about speaking one's mind. Very refreshing to read.



And I highly doubt the military would give up full control of any form of R&D plus production capacity in the first place. They'll be sure to hold on to 51% or more without a doubt lol.



There's a lot going on between India and Egypt lately.



Wuuuuut?! I know you didn't mean it the way you wrote that! :-) BTW, I'm seeing a lot more similar tech to the Al Tariq in the way the missiles are mounted upside down on the pylons and then flip right-side up once fired. Seems like others are copying that very cool concept.



Love it! His first name is Mina? Seems like he discounted the Su-57 with 6 of them being delivered to the VVS and a couple already used in Ukraine. :-)

Hope those things start showing up soon. The US ain't never gonna offer anything good enough to replace this whole deal, and they certainly won't once the EAF starts accepting these, it's just the consequences that make the decision very uneasy.

Hey, perhaps the Indian UTAM AESA, if it turns out to be a smash hit -- and they do sign this big ToT deal with HAL -- could end up replacing the Zhuk-ME on the MiG-29M/M2s and who knows what other aircraft? That would be quite the thing. I was hoping to look into that UTAM radar a bit more once I had more time. I think either you or @sami_1 sam I am posted a detailed write-up about it? I'll have to go check his thread.

India has really outdone itself, between the Tejas, the ASTRA, the DRUV and many other indigenous projects and all the friendly get-togethers with their Su-30MKIs and navy etc., is a big indication of something huge coming up between the two counties.

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The story of the Air Force's ordnance needs is very large
In 1988, Egypt assembled about 5,000 Sidewinder missiles for the benefit of Egypt's large fleet of fighters. At that time, Egypt was assembling the AIM-9M/P and AIM-7M missiles for the F-4 and F-16 fighters, where things were going in a certain way through American aid. Since the beginning of the nineties, America began to object to various types of American weapons, starting with the refusal to supply the PC-3 ORION aircraft to replace the TU-16 aircraft.
Passing by the American M-110 cannon or the Tanker plane, and since 2003 with Egypt's objection to the invasion of Iraq, America has been refusing to supply weapons to Egypt extensively
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, countries' interests in military industrialization diminished, with huge quantities of Soviet weapons in the market for those who pay the price.

But since the invasion of Iraq, egypt has found herself forced to take an interest in military industrialization
So, the military production factories were developed in complexes called the Military Factory 300, which was almost ready in 2012 in the development plan since 2007-2012, but what hindered the equipment was personal interests in the purchase of more than 100,000 pistols and tens of thousands of rifles and machine guns from abroad, and that could not be achieved. From personal favor

The military industry was effectively neglected from 2013 to 2020, as the focus was on buying political consent from Europe for any local manufacturing, which was reflected in the bad and miserable economic performance and dumping Egypt in the debts.

In any case, Egypt's military demands cannot be met by importing.

The problem of missiles, BVR, is the problem of leadership, not politics, and lack of interest in industrialization, as a result of corruption.

We still need to modernize in huge quantities. You need BVR air-to-air missiles greatly for the fighters, up to at least 1,600 missiles. 100 MICA missiles and 300 R-77 missiles were purchased, and perhaps the Sukhoi deal includes 200 R-77M and 120 R-37M missiles.
That is, you still need large numbers, and they have not reached even 50% of your needs, and the Rafale has yet to be equipped with ammunition for the new deal, and it has not been contracted until the signing of a $2 billion deal that has not yet been implemented.
This is in contrast to the crossbars of the BVR missile that serves the air defense systems. The needs are great, so what were purchased from 23 IRIS-T batteries is less than the actual needs category

The same is true for the WVR missiles, as it still relies on the old AIM-9M missile, while the AIM-9X/II missile has been around for 20 years.
And your reliance on the R-73/74 missile with 300 missiles is not enough and is not even classified as the best

Producing ammunition in Egypt is not expensive The program to produce BVR and WVR missiles will not cost Egypt more than 300 million dollars
We gave a simple example of the anti-tank missile TOW 2A, which Egypt requested 5,000 missiles at a price of 690 million dollars. It is considered a variety of provocation and backwardness. The number is astronomical, and it is enough to develop a new missile instead of this, for the old, backward missile, according to modern standards, and to produce more than 10,000 new missiles, to clarify the matter simply

The HJ-11 missile costs between 11-25 thousand dollars The HJ-12 missile costs 60 thousand dollars The KORNET E missile costs 25-60 thousand dollars

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The modern Chinese missile KD-21 or CM-502KG has a price of not more than 100,000 dollars and a range of 20 km, which China recently released on the Z-10 aircraft.

To establish a military industry requires a will
efficiency
Leadership and honest patriotism is a reality, not a slogan
proper planning
A private sector with freedom of production and development and a wide scope for export
Rather, the matter was under the control of the military with their usual efficiency, which is the reason for Egyptā€™s backwardness since 1952, successive military defeats, debts, and an economy that is begging to continue.

Russia, since the end of 2013, has been putting forward the joint development of weapons and new weapons, not old designs or production lines, because Egypt refused for fear of Western anger.


Regarding technology transfer, many countries accept only high prices, but the spread of new manufacturers makes flexibility available

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South Africa has the Merlin missile project, the South Koreans, their entry into the field and the Indians, and even the presence of the Turks as offers themselves, puts pressure on China, Europe and America in the field of technology transfer and production licenses other than the spread of science and technology. At a price of 120 thousand dollars for the cannon, they received the German PZH2000 cannon from the ukrania
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Any simply a forbidden and forbidden story. This is an absurd reason. Even for example, F-16 Source code can be obtained in some way. Countries do not realize that they got it because they use it at the time of the American ban on it and there is no point in announcing it, so you find America wanting to update the fleets of the F-16 Block 72 for a simple reason Extremely

It is the development of new, developed programs that allow greater control over American weapons, which is what countries like Egypt began to reject because it would place restrictions on use, and they found the trend to buy new fighters better than developing American fighters, which will become under stronger American control and restrictions on the size of munitions


Fake policies are used that no one wants to transfer technology, and there is no choice but to buy, listen, energy, and pay astronomical numbers for weapons until the deals are passed to spoil, which is against the national interest

A country like Egypt is facing a very huge problem now, which is that it has decided to buy its needs from Western weapons due to the lack of funding despite the armyā€™s control of more than 50% of the Egyptian economy.
But the Rafale astronomical price is 150 million dollars without ammunition
Typhoon at a price of 150 million dollars makes Egypt buy small numbers with large loans

Egypt bought 24 Rafales at a price of 3,500 million euros, excluding ammunition, which exceeded one billion euros. It bought 30 Rafales at a price of 4 billion euros without ammunition.

Eurofighter typhoon is on display for 20 planes at a price of $3 billion

MiG-29 bought 52 planes for $2.2 billion in ammunition

So, Egypt went to buy the LCA plane, because the price of the plane, the training version, was $30 million


And the light fighter at a price of 40 million dollars, especially in small quantities, which Egypt requires from 70-120 planes

Egypt can afford to buy large numbers of LCA planes without great economic pressure on the Egyptian economy, while buying 120 Rafale planes will cost Egypt 18 billion dollars, and even 50 planes at 7500 million dollars, so Egyptā€™s purchase of LCA planes, J-10C or MIG-35 is inevitable While Western fighters are being bought in smaller numbers


There is a comparative advantage for the eastern fighters. Simply, Egypt can buy 250 KH-35 missiles, 250 KH-31 missiles, and 500 KH-38 missiles at very low prices, one or a third of the price of similar Western missiles, which are subject to restrictions in sales in quantity, numbers and price as well, so rely on eastern fighters Having a good amount of ammunition is a must

Moving away from the American and European fight for expensive weapons is national security, contrary to what some people imagine. Egypt has bought weapons at a top of 40 billion dollars since 2013-2021. What did Egypt get from transferring the tanks and manufacturing assembling 5 corvettes from France and Germany, while German shipyards were rescued from bankruptcy and France was rescued from The failure of the LHD ship deal and the acquisition of the lowest-performance submarines in the Western arsenal currently, TYPE-209 and the antique Harpoon missile
Even in the industrial cooperation, we find that Egypt obtained 1000 Hummer chassis and 1000 Sherpa chassis with specifications that are not the latest, which prevents until Egypt exported due to quantity restrictions and American and French production licenses, as you see, the matter is desirable. Patriotism and honest people whose primary concern is Egypt, the situation will change and the arguments with which they justify what they are doing now will disappear.

The Russian-Ukrainian war proved the effectiveness of the SU-35 fighters and many of the Russian systems, contrary to Western propaganda that covers even the failure of the weapons without the desire to have any real effect on hindering the Russiansā€™ goals in the war or the levels of their control over the Ukrainian lands.

It is something that should be taken into consideration
 
There was egyptians designing they hQ'd themselves in south africa because there wasnt really hope from mubarak and reopned in Egypt 2016-2017
They used south african tech and had south african designers
The owner is an Egyptian who had that company in South Africa..then he moved back to Egypt along with his company, the designs and the production line for the ST series..
 
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The story of the Air Force's ordnance needs is very large
In 1988, Egypt assembled about 5,000 Sidewinder missiles for the benefit of Egypt's large fleet of fighters. At that time, Egypt was assembling the AIM-9M/P and AIM-7M missiles for the F-4 and F-16 fighters, where things were going in a certain way through American aid. Since the beginning of the nineties, America began to object to various types of American weapons, starting with the refusal to supply the PC-3 ORION aircraft to replace the TU-16 aircraft.
Passing by the American M-110 cannon or the Tanker plane, and since 2003 with Egypt's objection to the invasion of Iraq, America has been refusing to supply weapons to Egypt extensively
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, countries' interests in military industrialization diminished, with huge quantities of Soviet weapons in the market for those who pay the price.

But since the invasion of Iraq, egypt has found herself forced to take an interest in military industrialization
So, the military production factories were developed in complexes called the Military Factory 300, which was almost ready in 2012 in the development plan since 2007-2012, but what hindered the equipment was personal interests in the purchase of more than 100,000 pistols and tens of thousands of rifles and machine guns from abroad, and that could not be achieved. From personal favor

The military industry was effectively neglected from 2013 to 2020, as the focus was on buying political consent from Europe for any local manufacturing, which was reflected in the bad and miserable economic performance and dumping Egypt in the debts.

In any case, Egypt's military demands cannot be met by importing.

The problem of missiles, BVR, is the problem of leadership, not politics, and lack of interest in industrialization, as a result of corruption.

We still need to modernize in huge quantities. You need BVR air-to-air missiles greatly for the fighters, up to at least 1,600 missiles. 100 MICA missiles and 300 R-77 missiles were purchased, and perhaps the Sukhoi deal includes 200 R-77M and 120 R-37M missiles.
That is, you still need large numbers, and they have not reached even 50% of your needs, and the Rafale has yet to be equipped with ammunition for the new deal, and it has not been contracted until the signing of a $2 billion deal that has not yet been implemented.
This is in contrast to the crossbars of the BVR missile that serves the air defense systems. The needs are great, so what were purchased from 23 IRIS-T batteries is less than the actual needs category

The same is true for the WVR missiles, as it still relies on the old AIM-9M missile, while the AIM-9X/II missile has been around for 20 years.
And your reliance on the R-73/74 missile with 300 missiles is not enough and is not even classified as the best

Producing ammunition in Egypt is not expensive The program to produce BVR and WVR missiles will not cost Egypt more than 300 million dollars
We gave a simple example of the anti-tank missile TOW 2A, which Egypt requested 5,000 missiles at a price of 690 million dollars. It is considered a variety of provocation and backwardness. The number is astronomical, and it is enough to develop a new missile instead of this, for the old, backward missile, according to modern standards, and to produce more than 10,000 new missiles, to clarify the matter simply

The HJ-11 missile costs between 11-25 thousand dollars The HJ-12 missile costs 60 thousand dollars The KORNET E missile costs 25-60 thousand dollars

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The modern Chinese missile KD-21 or CM-502KG has a price of not more than 100,000 dollars and a range of 20 km, which China recently released on the Z-10 aircraft.

To establish a military industry requires a will
efficiency
Leadership and honest patriotism is a reality, not a slogan
proper planning
A private sector with freedom of production and development and a wide scope for export
Rather, the matter was under the control of the military with their usual efficiency, which is the reason for Egyptā€™s backwardness since 1952, successive military defeats, debts, and an economy that is begging to continue.

Russia, since the end of 2013, has been putting forward the joint development of weapons and new weapons, not old designs or production lines, because Egypt refused for fear of Western anger.


Regarding technology transfer, many countries accept only high prices, but the spread of new manufacturers makes flexibility available

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South Africa has the Merlin missile project, the South Koreans, their entry into the field and the Indians, and even the presence of the Turks as offers themselves, puts pressure on China, Europe and America in the field of technology transfer and production licenses other than the spread of science and technology. At a price of 120 thousand dollars for the cannon, they received the German PZH2000 cannon from the ukrania
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Any simply a forbidden and forbidden story. This is an absurd reason. Even for example, F-16 Source code can be obtained in some way. Countries do not realize that they got it because they use it at the time of the American ban on it and there is no point in announcing it, so you find America wanting to update the fleets of the F-16 Block 72 for a simple reason Extremely

It is the development of new, developed programs that allow greater control over American weapons, which is what countries like Egypt began to reject because it would place restrictions on use, and they found the trend to buy new fighters better than developing American fighters, which will become under stronger American control and restrictions on the size of munitions


Fake policies are used that no one wants to transfer technology, and there is no choice but to buy, listen, energy, and pay astronomical numbers for weapons until the deals are passed to spoil, which is against the national interest

A country like Egypt is facing a very huge problem now, which is that it has decided to buy its needs from Western weapons due to the lack of funding despite the armyā€™s control of more than 50% of the Egyptian economy.
But the Rafale astronomical price is 150 million dollars without ammunition
Typhoon at a price of 150 million dollars makes Egypt buy small numbers with large loans

Egypt bought 24 Rafales at a price of 3,500 million euros, excluding ammunition, which exceeded one billion euros. It bought 30 Rafales at a price of 4 billion euros without ammunition.

Eurofighter typhoon is on display for 20 planes at a price of $3 billion

MiG-29 bought 52 planes for $2.2 billion in ammunition

So, Egypt went to buy the LCA plane, because the price of the plane, the training version, was $30 million


And the light fighter at a price of 40 million dollars, especially in small quantities, which Egypt requires from 70-120 planes

Egypt can afford to buy large numbers of LCA planes without great economic pressure on the Egyptian economy, while buying 120 Rafale planes will cost Egypt 18 billion dollars, and even 50 planes at 7500 million dollars, so Egyptā€™s purchase of LCA planes, J-10C or MIG-35 is inevitable While Western fighters are being bought in smaller numbers


There is a comparative advantage for the eastern fighters. Simply, Egypt can buy 250 KH-35 missiles, 250 KH-31 missiles, and 500 KH-38 missiles at very low prices, one or a third of the price of similar Western missiles, which are subject to restrictions in sales in quantity, numbers and price as well, so rely on eastern fighters Having a good amount of ammunition is a must

Moving away from the American and European fight for expensive weapons is national security, contrary to what some people imagine. Egypt has bought weapons at a top of 40 billion dollars since 2013-2021. What did Egypt get from transferring the tanks and manufacturing assembling 5 corvettes from France and Germany, while German shipyards were rescued from bankruptcy and France was rescued from The failure of the LHD ship deal and the acquisition of the lowest-performance submarines in the Western arsenal currently, TYPE-209 and the antique Harpoon missile
Even in the industrial cooperation, we find that Egypt obtained 1000 Hummer chassis and 1000 Sherpa chassis with specifications that are not the latest, which prevents until Egypt exported due to quantity restrictions and American and French production licenses, as you see, the matter is desirable. Patriotism and honest people whose primary concern is Egypt, the situation will change and the arguments with which they justify what they are doing now will disappear.

The Russian-Ukrainian war proved the effectiveness of the SU-35 fighters and many of the Russian systems, contrary to Western propaganda that covers even the failure of the weapons without the desire to have any real effect on hindering the Russiansā€™ goals in the war or the levels of their control over the Ukrainian lands.

It is something that should be taken into consideration
 

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