Egyptian Armed Forces

[BordoEnes]

This is a little older, but Egypt and Belarus signed an agreement for Egypt to produce their drones in country.


Drone like Bayraktar

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Looks a lot like the TB-1 actually, an earlier version of the Bayraktar.

 

[Gomig-21]

Assessing the Tikhomirov NIIP L-Band Active Electronically Steered Array
https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2009-06.html

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The Su-35S has 3 powerful and advanced radars.
An ESA (hybrid between PESA and AESA) X-band radar called N035 Irbis-E, is currently the most powerful radar in the world , with a range of 400km for an aircraft with RCS 3m ^ 2 located on the nose of the fighter, this radar can detect a cruise missile and tactical UAVs of low radar signature (RCS of 0.01m ^ 2) at 90 km.
The Su-35S also has two AESA L-band radars in the wing extensions, the N035L, these AESA radars have as their main function, detect Stealth aircraft (LO and VLO), in addition to acting as EW (jamming) for the enemy communications and as long-range IFF and many other functions, all this at great distances, in addition to being able to geolocate them..

https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/sukhoi-su-35-flanker-e/2410/

That IRBIS-E radar is a friggin beast! A hybrid PESA/AESA with a range of 400km and the beauty is that the Su-35 can even turn that off and just use the L-band wing-mounted AESA to detect at whatever the actual range is. I doubt it's anywhere near 222 km, maybe 120km which is still great and just use that and even shut that bad Larry off and just use it's potent IRST. This is truly a game changer, this aircraft.

 

[The SC]

That IRBIS-E radar is a friggin beast! A hybrid PESA/AESA with a range of 400km and the beauty is that the Su-35 can even turn that off and just use the L-band wing-mounted AESA to detect at whatever the actual range is. I doubt it's anywhere near 222 km, maybe 120km which is still great and just use that and even shut that bad Larry off and just use it's potent IRST. This is truly a game changer, this aircraft.

It is specialised in detecting stealth aircrafts..so even 120 km is quite a good range if not more..Still the article say at great ranges.. what ever is that..it is still potent for what it is supposed to do....Indeed the SU-35 is a game changer and a very high value plus for the EAF..


You can see here that they say Max range is 222.2 km:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiDueXEkrnqAhULTsAKHaSTARwQFjAAegQIBRAB&url=http://cmano-db.com/pdf/sensor/5714/&usg=AOvVaw1x-P1d1MDMuS6DRj--n2Za


Here is a good very detailed read about the SU-35..where they also say the range is 222.2 km

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2015/11/16/sukhoi-su-35/

 

[Gomig-21]

It is specialised in detecting stealth aircrafts..so even 120 km is quite a good range if not more..Still the article say at great ranges.. what ever is that..it is still potent for what it is supposed to do....Indeed the SU-35 is a game changer and a very high value plus for the EAF..


You can see here that they say Max range is 222.2 km:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiDueXEkrnqAhULTsAKHaSTARwQFjAAegQIBRAB&url=http://cmano-db.com/pdf/sensor/5714/&usg=AOvVaw1x-P1d1MDMuS6DRj--n2Za

Indeed. They're averaging around what, about $100 million per aircraft in this deal but obviously that includes a lot more than just the aircraft itself with this initial order. Training for pilots & crew, storage assets, simulators & weapons etc. So if there is to be another order after this one, my guess is the price per drops to around $80 mill which is essentially what the Rafale is costing us. Then the question becomes, which aircraft is worth more to the EAF as far as increasing its numbers, this great Su-35S or the magnificently potent Rafale? I suppose armament would influence this decision.

What do you think about that La Tribune article? Pretty cool that France might be offering all that stuff and maybe that might've been the reason why the EN never rushed arming the Mistrals? Maybe they had it in the back of the works that there was something eventually brewing with MBDA that they preferred to stick to since that is the OEM of most equipment on the LHDs.

 

[The SC]

Indeed. They're averaging around what, about $100 million per aircraft in this deal but obviously that includes a lot more than just the aircraft itself with this initial order. Training for pilots & crew, storage assets, simulators & weapons etc. So if there is to be another order after this one, my guess is the price per drops to around $80 mill which is essentially what the Rafale is costing us. Then the question becomes, which aircraft is worth more to the EAF as far as increasing its numbers, this great Su-35S or the magnificently potent Rafale? I suppose armament would influence this decision.

What do you think about that La Tribune article? Pretty cool that France might be offering all that stuff and maybe that might've been the reason why the EN never rushed arming the Mistrals? Maybe they had it in the back of the works that there was something eventually brewing with MBDA that they preferred to stick to since that is the OEM of most equipment on the LHDs.

Well..all that came after France was convinced of the Italian deal going through.._like the old wife who don't want to lose it all to the new wife_ HaHaHa.. Heard they have proposed 48 Rafales and a whole lot more..I guess that is a good base to negotiate the next Egyptian - French deals..... as for the Mistral Equipment that is still a mystery..
Imagine 48 more Rafales.. Ya halawa .. as for a very heavy fighter/Awacs.. 29 are enough for now..till there are joined by some 24 SU-57..

 

[Gomig-21]

Well..all that came after France was convinced of the Italian deal going through.._like the old wife who don't want to lose it all to the new wife_ HaHaHa.. Heard they have proposed 48 Rafales and a whole lot more..I guess that is a good base to negotiate the next Egyptian - French deals..... as for the Mistral Equipment that is still a mystery..
Imagine 48 more Rafales.. Ya halawa .. as for a very heavy fighter/Awacs.. 29 are enough for now..till there are joined by some 24 SU-57..

You're still convinced the Su-35 count is around 29? They said in almost all the recent releases, including the Russian ones that it's either 20 or most likely 24. 29 was the original number from that television program years ago. Not sure it's as reliable as the recent news TBH. But we shall see.

I know on Arabic forums they're been touting the 48 Rafales which is really nuts if you ask me lol. The only way that would even come close to happening would be if the entire Italian deal is kiobashed! While the 2 Berghamini FREMMs are already agreed on and we're just waiting for them to deliver them, the rest of all the items would need to be dropped in order to afford 48 more Rafales! Ooof. lol

Plus now I think Dassault is producing the RF4 model, right? Once they're finished with the Indian contract, I believe they will start producing that new and advanced model.

 

[The SC]

You're still convinced the Su-35 count is around 29? They said in almost all the recent releases, including the Russian ones that it's either 20 or most likely 24. 29 was the original number from that television program years ago. Not sure it's as reliable as the recent news TBH. But we shall see.

I know on Arabic forums they're been touting the 48 Rafales which is really nuts if you ask me lol. The only way that would even come close to happening would be if the entire Italian deal is kiobashed! While the 2 Berghamini FREMMs are already agreed on and we're just waiting for them to deliver them, the rest of all the items would need to be dropped in order to afford 48 more Rafales! Ooof. lol

Plus now I think Dassault is producing the RF4 model, right? Once they're finished with the Indian contract, I believe they will start producing that new and advanced model.

The RF4 will be ready in a few years..that gives enough time to prepare for them..And that is the offer..Egypt might go for it or for just 24 more!..
The Italian deal of the century as the Italians themselves called it.. will go through.. it is difficult to refuse for both sides.. Take a look at those Italian Hellos.. no one confirmed them..apart La tribune once, crying about the French loss.. but were never confirmed by Italy or Egypt ..till it was announced in the midst of this Mega deal..

And yes for the SU-35 still convinced of the number 29 as I have read it for sure somewhere.. after it was announced by the Egyptian TV.. It said the order was for 24 plus Russia throwing in 5 more....the same as for the Egyptian Mig-35.. it was announced 46 and Russia adding in 6 more..that made it 52 in Total.. I can't confirm it for now but I have a good memory for these things.. I'll confirm it when I'll find those reliable sources again..
For me it is believable..since Russia is most happy with Egypt new total strategic partnership with it.. just imagine the Dabaa project, the Russian industrial Zone and so much more..with all the weapons' procurement so far this goes up to $50 billion or so.. that is huge.... remember they have started by throwing in the Molina..these are bonuses..

 

[Gomig-21]

The RF4 will be ready in a few years..that gives enough time to prepare for them..And that is the offer..Egypt might go for it or for just 24 more!..
The Italian deal of the century as the Italians themselves called it.. will go through.. it is difficult to refuse for both sides.. Take a look at those Italian Hellos.. no one confirmed them..apart La tribune once, crying about the French loss.. but were never confirmed by Italy or Egypt ..till it was announced in the midst of this Mega deal..

And yes for the SU-35 still convinced of the number 29 as I have read it for sure somewhere.. after it was announced by the Egyptian TV.. It said the order was for 24 plus Russia throwing in 5 more....the same as for the Egyptian Mig-35.. it was announced 46 and Russia adding in 6 more..that made it 52 in Total.. I can't confirm it for now but I have a good memory for these things.. I'll confirm it when I'll find those reliable sources again..
For me it is believable..since Russia is most happy with Egypt new total strategic partnership with it.. just imagine the Dabaa project, the Russian industrial Zone and so much more..with all the weapons' procurement so far this goes up to $50 billion or so.. that is huge.... remember they have started by throwing in the Molina..these are bonuses..

A Russian jet fighter's baker's dozen? LOL! I love it. "How many jets you want? 24? Ok, here, take 5 more on the house!"

Apperantly MBDA is trying to negotiate THALES radar imaging satellites to compete with the Russians on their electro-optical surveillance satellites. There's a lot going on here!

 

[The SC]

A Russian jet fighter's baker's dozen? LOL! I love it. "How many jets you want? 24? Ok, here, take 5 more on the house!"

Apperantly MBDA is trying to negotiate THALES radar imaging satellites to compete with the Russians on their electro-optical surveillance satellites. There's a lot going on here!

That is not offered to everyone.. its for renewing the relationship big time with a comprehensive strategic partnership..
Putin even offered his military Jacket to Sisi in that famous visit..HaHa.. what more than that..lol

We can say this is the equivalent of the US offset agreements offered to its best weapons' customers, and close allies.. including ToT sometimes..

 

[Gomig-21]

That is not offered to everyone.. its for renewing the relationship big time with a comprehensive strategic partnership..
Putin even offered his military Jacket to Sisi in that famous visit..HaHa.. what more than that..lol

We can say this is the equivalent of the US offset agreements offered to its best weapons' customers, and close allies.. including ToT sometimes..

I'll tell you what, this Su-35S is really something else. Between the L-band wing-mounted AESA radar you posted about (which is an amazing feature!!!!) combined with the 400km range!!!!! IRBIS-E PESA/AESA hybrid radar and the ever so elusive and deadly IRST with an amazing range of 80-85 km, the damage one can do with this aircraft is probably equal 3 other 4th gen aircraft, with the exception of other top of the line AC such as the Rafale etc.

But looking at some of the features that are touted in this deal for the EAF, I like what I'm seeing in the "Plasma Ignition" engines on the AL-41F1S which is really a feature for the Su-57 from what I'm reading. 2 CPUs as well but I would like to learn a bit more about this plasma ignition feature and the benefits of it.

Along with the EW wing-tip pods feature that @Lord Of Gondor mentioned, it sounds like they could have a couple of dedicated electronic warfare platforms that would function (and I'm guessing at this point so I don't want to over-extend the capabilities of these features without knowing more about them) as close to an EA-18G Growler? Maybe not as potent as the Growler but still, a dedicated EW platform to accompany a fighter group into battle and lay down the electronic warefare and set up the rest of the aircraft with an entire air battle picture while jamming the bejeebish out of the enemy! lol. That is one heck of a feature and how they would work with the rest of the assets like the C-130 Compass Calls and especially the E-2C Hawkeyes.

It also appears that this is standard equipment for the cockpit, featuring dual, HI-RES liquid crystal MFD control screens like these beauties...

1. Multi-function display MFD-35 with a diagonal of 15 inches. With push-frame pilot can divide the display into several parts and output them all the necessary information about the flight mission, navigation, weapons and technical condition of the aircraft. Purpose multifunction buttons varies depending on the nature of the displayed information, appropriate hints are displayed next to the buttons.
2. The line of CCD control modes (complex avionics). There are only five of the CCD mode: short-range and long-range combat in the air, near and far fight on the ground, plus the navigation mode. Each mode provides a specific set of information displayed on the display, and the preset selection of weapons. The pilot selects the CCD right thumb mode and thus has access to virtually all the functions of the aircraft, without taking your hands off the controls.
3. An integrated system of backup devices (PSOE) – a minimum set of essential equipment, such as the altimeter and attitude indicator to help the pilot to return to the home airfield in the event of failure of the main avionics. Earlier, the PSOE was carried out in the form of switch devices (pilots called them “alarms”), now it has its own multi-function display with battery.
4. Multi-function IR-LED with a working field of 4 x 5-inch frame and push-button is used to configure all aircraft systems, including radar sighting and navigation equipment, weapons, video recording system.
5. Collimator aviation indicator and remote control display. It appears as a basic flight information, including altitude, speed, attitude indicator, heading and current selection of weapons, as well as any other necessary pilot at the moment.
6. The control unit and automatic traction control system. Lets without the pilot to maintain the set speed in all maneuvers and in all conditions, or fully automatically maintain the aircraft on the route in accordance with the flight plan. In this pilot task is only to carry out take-off and landing, as well as the decision on the use of weapons.

 

[Muhammed45]

I'll tell you what, this Su-35S is really something else. Between the L-band wing-mounted AESA radar you posted about (which is an amazing feature!!!!) combined with the 400km range!!!!! IRBIS-E PESA/AESA hybrid radar and the ever so elusive and deadly IRST with an amazing range of 80-85 km, the damage one can do with this aircraft is probably equal 3 other 4th gen aircraft, with the exception of other top of the line AC such as the Rafale etc.

But looking at some of the features that are touted in this deal for the EAF, I like what I'm seeing in the "Plasma Ignition" engines on the AL-41F1S which is really a feature for the Su-57 from what I'm reading. 2 CPUs as well but I would like to learn a bit more about this plasma ignition feature and the benefits of it.

Along with the EW wing-tip pods feature that @Lord Of Gondor mentioned, it sounds like they could have a couple of dedicated electronic warfare platforms that would function (and I'm guessing at this point so I don't want to over-extend the capabilities of these features without knowing more about them) as close to an EA-18G Growler? Maybe not as potent as the Growler but still, a dedicated EW platform to accompany a fighter group into battle and lay down the electronic warefare and set up the rest of the aircraft with an entire air battle picture while jamming the bejeebish out of the enemy! lol. That is one heck of a feature and how they would work with the rest of the assets like the C-130 Compass Calls and especially the E-2C Hawkeyes.

It also appears that this is standard equipment for the cockpit, featuring dual, HI-RES liquid crystal MFD control screens like these beauties...

1. Multi-function display MFD-35 with a diagonal of 15 inches. With push-frame pilot can divide the display into several parts and output them all the necessary information about the flight mission, navigation, weapons and technical condition of the aircraft. Purpose multifunction buttons varies depending on the nature of the displayed information, appropriate hints are displayed next to the buttons.
2. The line of CCD control modes (complex avionics). There are only five of the CCD mode: short-range and long-range combat in the air, near and far fight on the ground, plus the navigation mode. Each mode provides a specific set of information displayed on the display, and the preset selection of weapons. The pilot selects the CCD right thumb mode and thus has access to virtually all the functions of the aircraft, without taking your hands off the controls.
3. An integrated system of backup devices (PSOE) – a minimum set of essential equipment, such as the altimeter and attitude indicator to help the pilot to return to the home airfield in the event of failure of the main avionics. Earlier, the PSOE was carried out in the form of switch devices (pilots called them “alarms”), now it has its own multi-function display with battery.
4. Multi-function IR-LED with a working field of 4 x 5-inch frame and push-button is used to configure all aircraft systems, including radar sighting and navigation equipment, weapons, video recording system.
5. Collimator aviation indicator and remote control display. It appears as a basic flight information, including altitude, speed, attitude indicator, heading and current selection of weapons, as well as any other necessary pilot at the moment.
6. The control unit and automatic traction control system. Lets without the pilot to maintain the set speed in all maneuvers and in all conditions, or fully automatically maintain the aircraft on the route in accordance with the flight plan. In this pilot task is only to carry out take-off and landing, as well as the decision on the use of weapons.

A question sir, why don't Egyptian Army leaders ask Russia to arm SU35s with R-27EM or the older beasts R-37s? Its radar is as you mentioned well, capable of being Integrated with those missiles.

With the amount of money that Egyptian Army spends on Russian made arms, you could persuade Russians to sell you such Long range air2air missiles.
USA wouldve never shared AIM54 Phoenixes unless were offered with huge purchase order of American made fighter jets and you are already doing it with Sukhoi and Mig companies.

 

[Gomig-21]

A question sir, why don't Egyptian Army leaders ask Russia to arm SU35s with R-27EM or the older beasts R-37s? Its radar is as you mentioned well, capable of being Integrated with those missiles.

With the amount of money that Egyptian Army spends on Russian made arms, you could persuade Russians to sell you such Long range air2air missiles.
USA wouldve never shared AIM54 Phoenixes unless were offered with huge purchase order of American made fighter jets and you are already doing it with Sukhoi and Mig companies.

We were just talking about that a few pages ago. We've learned that they ordered the R-77-1 (110km range) with the MiG-35s and we're only assuming that they will order the R-27 in both its types (radar homing and infrared) like they did with the MICAs on the Rafales because the R-27 is more of an Su-30/35 missile than it is a MiG-35 one. So we do expect to see more R-77-1s as well as R-27s when the Su-35s show up.

 

[MirageBlue]

Question for the knowledgeable folks here- is Egypt really looking for 12 to 24 more Rafales from France? I read something to that effect in a French article, but can't find it now.

 

[The SC]

You're still convinced the Su-35 count is around 29? They said in almost all the recent releases, including the Russian ones that it's either 20 or most likely 24. 29 was the original number from that television program years ago. Not sure it's as reliable as the recent news TBH. But we shall see.

I know on Arabic forums they're been touting the 48 Rafales which is really nuts if you ask me lol. The only way that would even come close to happening would be if the entire Italian deal is kiobashed! While the 2 Berghamini FREMMs are already agreed on and we're just waiting for them to deliver them, the rest of all the items would need to be dropped in order to afford 48 more Rafales! Ooof. lol

Plus now I think Dassault is producing the RF4 model, right? Once they're finished with the Indian contract, I believe they will start producing that new and advanced model.

Rumours about those 48 Rafales that were offered.. are used ones upgraded to F3R.. so the price might be the same as 24 new ones..!?

Question for the knowledgeable folks here- is Egypt really looking for 12 to 24 more Rafales from France? I read something to that effect in a French article, but can't find it now.

From the first deal.. Egypt still has an option for 12 more..that is true..

I'll tell you what, this Su-35S is really something else. Between the L-band wing-mounted AESA radar you posted about (which is an amazing feature!!!!) combined with the 400km range!!!!! IRBIS-E PESA/AESA hybrid radar and the ever so elusive and deadly IRST with an amazing range of 80-85 km, the damage one can do with this aircraft is probably equal 3 other 4th gen aircraft, with the exception of other top of the line AC such as the Rafale etc.

But looking at some of the features that are touted in this deal for the EAF, I like what I'm seeing in the "Plasma Ignition" engines on the AL-41F1S which is really a feature for the Su-57 from what I'm reading. 2 CPUs as well but I would like to learn a bit more about this plasma ignition feature and the benefits of it.

Along with the EW wing-tip pods feature that @Lord Of Gondor mentioned, it sounds like they could have a couple of dedicated electronic warfare platforms that would function (and I'm guessing at this point so I don't want to over-extend the capabilities of these features without knowing more about them) as close to an EA-18G Growler? Maybe not as potent as the Growler but still, a dedicated EW platform to accompany a fighter group into battle and lay down the electronic warefare and set up the rest of the aircraft with an entire air battle picture while jamming the bejeebish out of the enemy! lol. That is one heck of a feature and how they would work with the rest of the assets like the C-130 Compass Calls and especially the E-2C Hawkeyes.

It also appears that this is standard equipment for the cockpit, featuring dual, HI-RES liquid crystal MFD control screens like these beauties...

1. Multi-function display MFD-35 with a diagonal of 15 inches. With push-frame pilot can divide the display into several parts and output them all the necessary information about the flight mission, navigation, weapons and technical condition of the aircraft. Purpose multifunction buttons varies depending on the nature of the displayed information, appropriate hints are displayed next to the buttons.
2. The line of CCD control modes (complex avionics). There are only five of the CCD mode: short-range and long-range combat in the air, near and far fight on the ground, plus the navigation mode. Each mode provides a specific set of information displayed on the display, and the preset selection of weapons. The pilot selects the CCD right thumb mode and thus has access to virtually all the functions of the aircraft, without taking your hands off the controls.
3. An integrated system of backup devices (PSOE) – a minimum set of essential equipment, such as the altimeter and attitude indicator to help the pilot to return to the home airfield in the event of failure of the main avionics. Earlier, the PSOE was carried out in the form of switch devices (pilots called them “alarms”), now it has its own multi-function display with battery.
4. Multi-function IR-LED with a working field of 4 x 5-inch frame and push-button is used to configure all aircraft systems, including radar sighting and navigation equipment, weapons, video recording system.
5. Collimator aviation indicator and remote control display. It appears as a basic flight information, including altitude, speed, attitude indicator, heading and current selection of weapons, as well as any other necessary pilot at the moment.
6. The control unit and automatic traction control system. Lets without the pilot to maintain the set speed in all maneuvers and in all conditions, or fully automatically maintain the aircraft on the route in accordance with the flight plan. In this pilot task is only to carry out take-off and landing, as well as the decision on the use of weapons.

About that Plasma ignition System..here are a simplistic read and a very technical read:

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...a-based-ignition-makes-engines-more-efficient

https://www.intechopen.com/books/ae...utics/plasma-assisted-ignition-and-combustion

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Looks a lot like the TB-1 actually, an earlier version of the Bayraktar.

Aren't you ashamed of saying that..

Turkish Bayraktar Drone is 'Copied' from Israeli UAVs: Russian media

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/27208/Turkish_Bayraktar_Drone_is__Copied__from_Israeli_UAVs__Russian_media

 

[Gomig-21]

Question for the knowledgeable folks here- is Egypt really looking for 12 to 24 more Rafales from France? I read something to that effect in a French article, but can't find it now.

Yep. So the original contract was 24 with an option for 12 more and Egypt tried last year to exercise that option for the additional 12 and couldn't come to an agreement with France and it was put to bed. Now the French newspaper Latribune said that in the midst of this Turkish/Egyptian & French riff going on in Libya that it was a good time to renew talks about the Rafales and somewhere in there it could be the 12 in the option plus another 12 or even more. Nothing that is number-certain but at least talks are renewed, plus it includes reviving the Gowind Corvette deal as well.

Speaking of Gowind, the El Fateh along with the Molina during Khalifa 3 war games with the UAE.

MiG-29M/M2/35 getting ready for a training exercise. The dark ones from cloud shade at the end makes them look like different aircraft all together.