Egyptian Armed Forces

[Gomig-21]

Where do I start. Even the best equipped Special Forces operator in the Egyptian military is less well equipped than a line infantryman in the West.

Oh com'on. You can do better than that. Here's the thing: there's a HUGE misconception about the Sa'aka's role. Their tagged as a SOF branch of the military that is fighting in this new, post-Iraq/Afghanistan COIN-style warfare when they aren't anything of the sort. They're actually a type of unit that is in between SOF and regular infantry, that's it! Their role is based on that unit's successes in 1973 in what is conventional warfare in wide open Egyptian landscape. Their training is (or at least used to be back in my day) absolutely brutal and another reason why you see nothing but very physically fit fellas. But because of that misconception, people tend to think that they need to look like this!

Or like this:

Maybe this would be cool!

They don't have to be like the west, they have their own terrain and environment and threats and especially their own support. They need to do what's right for them and they don't need to be stacked when it's photo op time. Almost 99% of the time they're operating with a substantial logistical support and not dropped off by helo in some remote spot away from everything for days and days even though penetrating behind enemy lines is one of their tasks, they have their gear for those missions if you look at the pic and the big backpack each one of them has for their gear when it's mission time. I think the problem is we don't see them with their vest that's wrapped with all sorts of pouches that include medical kits, scissors, mags and canteens etc. I don't think they necessarily don't have those.

When it's time to get down and dirty, they're suited for their role. which is really not SF.

That pic of the paras you posted is more of a disciplinary thing. One of them had his vest on and the others didn't bother putting it on lol. Kinda like this with the Sa'aka.

So you would like to see all the paras kitted out like these guys anytime a photo of them is taken?

Remember this?

Alnahar Exclusive with the Egyptian Paratroopers showing a portion of their capabilities and training.

My impressions here on Twitter

https://twitter.com/x/status/853397068693602304

My Twitter: https://twitter.com/EgyGreenfly?lang=en

Thunderbolts are not special forces as everyone knows the term and while I think they definitely need better kits and understanding their disciplinarian role a bit better is a must, but I don't think they need to mimic any other western force just to look like them or for people to think that they're on the right track. They need to do what's right for them working in the environment, landscape and threats to Egypt.

 

[Frogman]

They're actually a type of unit that is in between SOF and regular infantry, that's it!

They're used more as "elite" infantry. I've never said otherwise.

But because of that misconception, people tend to think that they need to look like this!

Even regular infantry are starting to look like that in certain areas. I'm just a tad disappointed you think I would be criticising based off of looks rather than an actual knowledge of what is missing.

think the problem is we don't see them with their vest that's wrapped with all sorts of pouches that include medical kits, scissors, mags and canteens etc. I don't think they necessarily don't have those.

What you see is all you're getting I'm afraid.

Medical kits and combat first aid are not issued or taught. First responders are civilian medics.

That pic of the paras you posted is more of a disciplinary thing. One of them had his vest on and the others didn't bother putting it on lol. Kinda like this with the Sa'aka.

Not sure how you would get away with not wearing all your kit during an inspection.

So you would like to see all the paras kitted out like these guys anytime a photo of them is taken?

No. I still think that's very poor.

but I don't think they need to mimic any other western force just to look like them or for people to think that they're on the right track.

Even by their needs they're not.

You have to take into account that the majority of the pictures here are not representative of the entire force either. What we see is the units based at Inshas or in the Sinai. Thunderbolt units elsewhere are still running around in 1960s tin hats and egg splatter webbing.

 

[MICA]

The rafale with no missile , concerning stuff for eGYPTIAn airforce

Better ?

 

[Globalwarrior]

Isn’t Egypt concerned about overthrowing an elected government ? The last one.
I also disagreed with their myopia.

 

[The SC]

Oh com'on. You can do better than that. Here's the thing: there's a HUGE misconception about the Sa'aka's role. Their tagged as a SOF branch of the military that is fighting in this new, post-Iraq/Afghanistan COIN-style warfare when they aren't anything of the sort. They're actually a type of unit that is in between SOF and regular infantry, that's it! Their role is based on that unit's successes in 1973 in what is conventional warfare in wide open Egyptian landscape. Their training is (or at least used to be back in my day) absolutely brutal and another reason why you see nothing but very physically fit fellas. But because of that misconception, people tend to think that they need to look like this!

Or like this:

Maybe this would be cool!

They don't have to be like the west, they have their own terrain and environment and threats and especially their own support. They need to do what's right for them and they don't need to be stacked when it's photo op time. Almost 99% of the time they're operating with a substantial logistical support and not dropped off by helo in some remote spot away from everything for days and days even though penetrating behind enemy lines is one of their tasks, they have their gear for those missions if you look at the pic and the big backpack each one of them has for their gear when it's mission time. I think the problem is we don't see them with their vest that's wrapped with all sorts of pouches that include medical kits, scissors, mags and canteens etc. I don't think they necessarily don't have those.

When it's time to get down and dirty, they're suited for their role. which is really not SF.

That pic of the paras you posted is more of a disciplinary thing. One of them had his vest on and the others didn't bother putting it on lol. Kinda like this with the Sa'aka.

So you would like to see all the paras kitted out like these guys anytime a photo of them is taken?

Remember this?



Thunderbolts are not special forces as everyone knows the term and while I think they definitely need better kits and understanding their disciplinarian role a bit better is a must, but I don't think they need to mimic any other western force just to look like them or for people to think that they're on the right track. They need to do what's right for them working in the environment, landscape and threats to Egypt.

They are called Shock troops.. first and last on the battlefield..

 

[Mhmoud]

I think that the situation with the under equipment of the Egyptian forces will eventually find its own solution. I would like to see an end to the AK's dominance, and the local manufacture of the CZ was a great start. What @Frogman implied about the well-equipped being only the creme de la creme is also true. I think that it is time to start up ye ole Egyptian Military-Industrial complex again, even as ventures owned by the Army, if that suffices, and start putting the old stuff in storage, for use only in catastrophic situations.

In a time of a low-scale war, Egypt's army might just get by rationing the armour and rotating it, but at times of total war, stuff like this is going to be critical.

The T-90 is a good start towards being able to make your own stuff. Russians aren't as strict as Americans in things like modification and experimentation of their equipment, but America will pursue you to the corners of the Earth if you broke a contractual treaty. So a T-90 production line can bring some benefits to the industry.

 

[airmarshal]

You have an impressive Army and you have also bloodied Israeli nose in a war. Please also help Palestinians in Gaza. They need help. Not blockade. This might be off topic. But no one speaks for Palestine. It seems most important and resourceful Arab countries either have forgotten or dont speak for them out of expediency.

 

[Mhmoud]

You have an impressive Army and you have also bloodied Israeli nose in a war. Please also help Palestinians in Gaza. They need help. Not blockade. This might be off topic. But no one speaks for Palestine. It seems most important and resourceful Arab countries either have forgotten or dont speak for them out of expediency.

Firstly, unfortunately, there is a difference between the leadership and the people in almost all Arab countries. Also, it is worth remembering that no country, not even Russia, would let Egypt win a war against Israel. Let alone liberating Palestine. This is why I'm all in for pan-Arabism.

Egypt does have its ways though. Like the way it crippled Israel in 1973 and how its diplomacy with America managed to solve the Suez crisis. Since we know little, then I would say that Egypt alone can handle an Israeli invasion easily, but to enforce Palestine will need more than that.

United we stand, divided we fall.

 

[The SC]

The Arrowhead system will be installed on the Egyptian Apache AH-64

 

[Gomig-21]

They're used more as "elite" infantry. I've never said otherwise.

I'm just making sure that those outsiders (not you) whom are reading this and don't know any better can understand that they're not special forces by the true definition of the term as most people understand it.
"Elite infantry" is a much better term, hence people need to look at them and their equipment in that scope.

Even regular infantry are starting to look like that in certain areas. I'm just a tad disappointed you think I would be criticising based off of looks rather than an actual knowledge of what is missing.

Don't be disappointed, we're having a discussion and many reading this don't know you or me from a can of paint and this is not personal on any level. The reference was to some people who have that common misconception of what Sa'aka is.

As to regular infantry whom are starting to look like that, who cares? That's my point. They shouldn't be influenced by what others do down to a T. They need to take the basic concept of soldiering at that level and customize it to their specific needs, not be like what other infantries or elite units do or are. The outside critics can eat it.

There was this one guy on Twitter who picked out a pic from one of the soldiers from the interior ministry and the only thing he could say was "this guy's holster is way too low, but then again that's what you see in that part of the world" and I almost blew a gasket at that shlep. I felt like telling him "you horse's ***, did you ever consider those things tend to slide down?" And just because it wasn't tied up against his crotch lol, it was hardly too low and perfectly reachable. He might as well ragged on anyone who's knee pads settled. Point is, no matter how well things are, there will always be the detractors whom are just haters and will always find the negative. They also ragged on his vest because it said police in Indonesian "POLICI" lol. Big effing deal! He has a vest on, right? Would this jackass have been ok if it said POLICE in English? So that would've been better in Egypt because the E at the end makes it or breaks it? lol.

Medical kits and combat first aid are not issued or taught. First responders are civilian medics.

Most infantry are not taught combat aid to an extent of a medic corp. They learn the basics of shock trauma control and controlling bleeding and stabilizing and leave the rest to the medic corps and evac. They've been taught basic medic since the early 80's with Americans and their main issue is not having a dedicated medic corp. That's their main problem.

They've been using Chinooks for medical evacuation, it just doesn't have the red cross or crescent on it. But I've seen the AW-139 look like as an occasional evac platform but what they don't have is a dedicated medic corps and dedicated evac.

But maybe things are changing since we're seeing more of this lately. It's a start.

Even by their needs they're not.

You still haven't told us how they should be equipped in your opinion. You should give us an example since you said that equipment on the Thunderbolt soldier was "extremely poor" yet you never said why or gave an example of what you think it should be. I personally think that was an exaggeration ma bro, no offense.

BTW, the reference was mostly to the M4 I was pointing out to our Tunisian friend. The fact that he had the eyepiece on his helmet to me, is actually not even needed in his case.

You have to take into account that the majority of the pictures here are not representative of the entire force either. What we see is the units based at Inshas or in the Sinai. Thunderbolt units elsewhere are still running around in 1960s tin hats and egg splatter webbing.

I know that. I'm not advocating that things are just peachy, ma bro. They have MAJOR problems. But what you mentioned is definitely something that comes from the top. The system is cut off at some point as it trickles down. IMO their biggest problem (among others) is disciplinarian which starts from the top.

They are called Shock troops.. first and last on the battlefield..

They had some great successes in 1973, and were assigned very difficult operations, mainly the units that were dropped at night in the passes behind enemy lines. They fought valiantly and many died and were captured by the Israelis. People started calling them commandos because of their duties in that war but they had other major missions that they performed very well. Shazly mentions them several times.

 

[Frogman]

Most infantry are not taught combat aid to an extent of a medic corp. They learn the basics of shock trauma control and controlling bleeding and stabilizing and leave the rest to the medic corps and evac. They've been taught basic medic since the early 80's with Americans and their main issue is not having a dedicated medic corp. That's their main problem.

A lot of things have been abandoned.

From personal experience I can tell you that combat first aid is not on the curriculum anymore and attempts to treat casualties in the Sinai currently are all being done by civilian first responders or by soldiers improvising.

You can see from the soldiers stationed there themselves there's little to no sign of combat first aid procedures. No tourniquets in arm pockets or on chest rigs, no field dressings in leg pockets, and no medical pouches.

Most are left to fend for themselves unfortunately.

They've been using Chinooks for medical evacuation, it just doesn't have the red cross or crescent on it. But I've seen the AW-139 look like as an occasional evac platform but what they don't have is a dedicated medic corps and dedicated evac.

But maybe things are changing since we're seeing more of this lately. It's a start.

There hasn't been a single case of forward aeromedical evacuation during Operation Sinai. The hospitals used to treat the injured are mainly situated within the heart of Arish, Shiekh Zewaid, and Rafah. So they can't be serviced by helicopters in the first place.

The Egyptian Army relies on civilian first response to attacks. Many ambulances and medics have been targeted in the wake of IS attacks as well because they know full well they're carrying soldiers.

The militants erected a barricade to prevent ambulances from Arish from reaching the convoy, an employee in the ambulance authority told Mada Masr. The ambulances parked far from the location of the attack and waited until the militants left, added the employee.

The militants detonated IEDs in front of the ambulance convoy, damaging two of the vehicles and injuring several paramedics and drivers, who were subsequently transported to Arish hospital, an ambulance driver told Mada Masr. The paramedics are currently stable, according to the source.

A couple of rotary assets like the AW-139 and Mi/Chinook are often assigned to CSAR. But that is for downed pilots and Seamen rather than Sinai operations.






This is from the Oasis ambush

You still haven't told us how they should be equipped in your opinion. You should give us an example since you said that equipment on the Thunderbolt soldier was "extremely poor" yet you never said why or gave an example of what you think it should be. I personally think that was an exaggeration ma bro, no offense.

BTW, the reference was mostly to the M4 I was pointing out to our Tunisian friend. The fact that he had the eyepiece on his helmet to me, is actually not even needed in his case.

It's rather simple to me, it's about what they can't do:

1

Their equipment does not allow for effective communication between themselves and others which also includes a general lack of encrypted coms beyond a certain level which is usually at Coy rather than Platoon or even Section level.

The average set up is a two way radio issued to the Platoon Commander and one NCO. Now when working with different arms or with CAS which is daily in the Sinai it presents a rather problematic challenge, especially that the role of Radio Operator is pretty much defunct and JTACs don't exist.

Whilst working with each other it means you have to use an archaic system of runners to relay messages which takes time and is vulnerable. Meaning commanders won't have a clear picture of the battlefield and will avoid splitting their sections. Personal Role Radios are not on issue to anyone.

We all saw the consequences of crap coms during the Wahat ambush and it has been happening in the Sinai too.

2

A lack of protective equipment that can be scaled or changed to suit their mission and a lack of certain essential protective equipment.

This includes eye, ear, and groin protection. They're also not provided with side plates. The point is not to overburden soldiers with PPE but to have the right PPE for the job and avoid chronic damage to ears/eyes.

Too many IED cas have groin related injuries.

Also, no helmet mounted IR IFF modules for when working with CAS or anything with a FLIR. Friendly fire is never reported but should always be avoided.

We can also include vital medical equipment into here. Including a lack of stretchers of various kinds.

3

A lack of modular load bearing equipment. Whether that be in marching order or fighting order. The point again is not to overburden the soldier but to provide means to carry loads based on the scales required for a certain mission.

So when operating like they do in the Sinai with a lot of logistical support they can fight light but when say inserting behind enemy lines or assaulting they can adequately carry a larger load.

That means the provision of equipment that provides greater utility, ergonomics, and comfort. Something the current CBA could provide but not utilising it properly (many don't even wear it correctly) means it doesn't.

4

Specialist equipment

Egypt is several generations behind in NVG, thermal equipment, and target indication equipment like laser light modules.

Disagree in that it isn't really needed. The night is one area where Sinai Province have a weakness, it is also an area where Egyptian forces have no taken advantage.

Specialist equipment is also including grenades (flash bangs and smoke) and breaching equipment. Both essential when operating in a urban environment. This includes a lack of explosive entry equipment. Outside of SF no one really uses any of this.

Plus Claymores for when in a defensive position would be great. But not issued.

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I could probably go into way more detail and add more stuff but for the sake of brevity I won't. The point is their equipment is poor and we shouldn't defend it.

I get that most Egyptians don't know what they're looking at so go based off of what is cool. I don't really care if they look like those uber ally SEAL photoshoots or like some Baltic soldiers in Afghanistan as long as essential kit is brought it and used properly.

Would also caution using their historical role as an excuse. Roles do and should change, we are not fighting the last war, we are fighting this one and the next. We have already seen decades of stagnation result in roles becoming redundant yet persevering within the Armed Forces. Egyptian SF and SOF as a whole are a good example of that.

 

[The SC]

CZ 807

The assault rifle is very excellent and very light, the Czech weapon is very strong and highly dependable. It bears all the unusual factors of sea water, sand, dust, snow and high temperatures. There is negative impact on the weapon nor on its rate of performance. Also the speed and precision of this gun is great. (As all Czech weapons) maintenance is necessary only after considerable periods of time as it retains its high performance for long years (like the Kalashnikov), which promises that it will be The Egyptian army's main weapon for long years..

 

[The SC]

I'm just making sure that those outsiders (not you) whom are reading this and don't know any better can understand that they're not special forces by the true definition of the term as most people understand it.
"Elite infantry" is a much better term, hence people need to look at them and their equipment in that scope.



Don't be disappointed, we're having a discussion and many reading this don't know you or me from a can of paint and this is not personal on any level. The reference was to some people who have that common misconception of what Sa'aka is.

As to regular infantry whom are starting to look like that, who cares? That's my point. They shouldn't be influenced by what others do down to a T. They need to take the basic concept of soldiering at that level and customize it to their specific needs, not be like what other infantries or elite units do or are. The outside critics can eat it.

There was this one guy on Twitter who picked out a pic from one of the soldiers from the interior ministry and the only thing he could say was "this guy's holster is way too low, but then again that's what you see in that part of the world" and I almost blew a gasket at that shlep. I felt like telling him "you horse's ***, did you ever consider those things tend to slide down?" And just because it wasn't tied up against his crotch lol, it was hardly too low and perfectly reachable. He might as well ragged on anyone who's knee pads settled. Point is, no matter how well things are, there will always be the detractors whom are just haters and will always find the negative. They also ragged on his vest because it said police in Indonesian "POLICI" lol. Big effing deal! He has a vest on, right? Would this jackass have been ok if it said POLICE in English? So that would've been better in Egypt because the E at the end makes it or breaks it? lol.



Most infantry are not taught combat aid to an extent of a medic corp. They learn the basics of shock trauma control and controlling bleeding and stabilizing and leave the rest to the medic corps and evac. They've been taught basic medic since the early 80's with Americans and their main issue is not having a dedicated medic corp. That's their main problem.

They've been using Chinooks for medical evacuation, it just doesn't have the red cross or crescent on it. But I've seen the AW-139 look like as an occasional evac platform but what they don't have is a dedicated medic corps and dedicated evac.

But maybe things are changing since we're seeing more of this lately. It's a start.

You still haven't told us how they should be equipped in your opinion. You should give us an example since you said that equipment on the Thunderbolt soldier was "extremely poor" yet you never said why or gave an example of what you think it should be. I personally think that was an exaggeration ma bro, no offense.

BTW, the reference was mostly to the M4 I was pointing out to our Tunisian friend. The fact that he had the eyepiece on his helmet to me, is actually not even needed in his case.



I know that. I'm not advocating that things are just peachy, ma bro. They have MAJOR problems. But what you mentioned is definitely something that comes from the top. The system is cut off at some point as it trickles down. IMO their biggest problem (among others) is disciplinarian which starts from the top.



They had some great successes in 1973, and were assigned very difficult operations, mainly the units that were dropped at night in the passes behind enemy lines. They fought valiantly and many died and were captured by the Israelis. People started calling them commandos because of their duties in that war but they had other major missions that they performed very well. Shazly mentions them several times.

Before 2011, Egyptian soldiers equipment of infantry, sai'qa, parachutists and even the brigade of special naval units was Very bad; There were no anti-bullet protection vests, a "half melon" helmets and old Kalashnikovs..
After 2011, when President al-Sisi took over the defense portfolio, things have completely changed, starting with the naval special units and evolved to include Parachutists, and we saw a variety of assault rifles; Beretta, SIG, M4, M16 as well as the Kevlar helmets, tactical protection vests, and so on. This was followed with Sai'qa forces, Where its armament appeared as the most modern rifles, Kevlar helmets and modern protection vests with the possibility of any additions to them, as well as protective pads for the elbows and knees and sunglasses to protect from the sun and dust..these equipments are being generalised on all Egyptian units..as of now..

 

[Mhmoud]

A lot of things have been abandoned.

From personal experience I can tell you that combat first aid is not on the curriculum anymore and attempts to treat casualties in the Sinai currently are all being done by civilian first responders or by soldiers improvising.

You can see from the soldiers stationed there themselves there's little to no sign of combat first aid procedures. No tourniquets in arm pockets or on chest rigs, no field dressings in leg pockets, and no medical pouches.

Most are left to fend for themselves unfortunately.



There hasn't been a single case of forward aeromedical evacuation during Operation Sinai. The hospitals used to treat the injured are mainly situated within the heart of Arish, Shiekh Zewaid, and Rafah. So they can't be serviced by helicopters in the first place.

The Egyptian Army relies on civilian first response to attacks. Many ambulances and medics have been targeted in the wake of IS attacks as well because they know full well they're carrying soldiers.



A couple of rotary assets like the AW-139 and Mi/Chinook are often assigned to CSAR. But that is for downed pilots and Seamen rather than Sinai operations.






This is from the Oasis ambush






It's rather simple to me, it's about what they can't do:

1

Their equipment does not allow for effective communication between themselves and others which also includes a general lack of encrypted coms beyond a certain level which is usually at Coy rather than Platoon or even Section level.

The average set up is a two way radio issued to the Platoon Commander and one NCO. Now when working with different arms or with CAS which is daily in the Sinai it presents a rather problematic challenge, especially that the role of Radio Operator is pretty much defunct and JTACs don't exist.

Whilst working with each other it means you have to use an archaic system of runners to relay messages which takes time and is vulnerable. Meaning commanders won't have a clear picture of the battlefield and will avoid splitting their sections. Personal Role Radios are not on issue to anyone.

We all saw the consequences of crap coms during the Wahat ambush and it has been happening in the Sinai too.

2

A lack of protective equipment that can be scaled or changed to suit their mission and a lack of certain essential protective equipment.

This includes eye, ear, and groin protection. They're also not provided with side plates. The point is not to overburden soldiers with PPE but to have the right PPE for the job and avoid chronic damage to ears/eyes.

Too many IED cas have groin related injuries.

Also, no helmet mounted IR IFF modules for when working with CAS or anything with a FLIR. Friendly fire is never reported but should always be avoided.

We can also include vital medical equipment into here. Including a lack of stretchers of various kinds.

3

A lack of modular load bearing equipment. Whether that be in marching order or fighting order. The point again is not to overburden the soldier but to provide means to carry loads based on the scales required for a certain mission.

So when operating like they do in the Sinai with a lot of logistical support they can fight light but when say inserting behind enemy lines or assaulting they can adequately carry a larger load.

That means the provision of equipment that provides greater utility, ergonomics, and comfort. Something the current CBA could provide but not utilising it properly (many don't even wear it correctly) means it doesn't.

4

Specialist equipment

Egypt is several generations behind in NVG, thermal equipment, and target indication equipment like laser light modules.

Disagree in that it isn't really needed. The night is one area where Sinai Province have a weakness, it is also an area where Egyptian forces have no taken advantage.

Specialist equipment is also including grenades (flash bangs and smoke) and breaching equipment. Both essential when operating in a urban environment. This includes a lack of explosive entry equipment. Outside of SF no one really uses any of this.

Plus Claymores for when in a defensive position would be great. But not issued.

------------------------------

I could probably go into way more detail and add more stuff but for the sake of brevity I won't. The point is their equipment is poor and we shouldn't defend it.

I get that most Egyptians don't know what they're looking at so go based off of what is cool. I don't really care if they look like those uber ally SEAL photoshoots or like some Baltic soldiers in Afghanistan as long as essential kit is brought it and used properly.

Would also caution using their historical role as an excuse. Roles do and should change, we are not fighting the last war, we are fighting this one and the next. We have already seen decades of stagnation result in roles becoming redundant yet persevering within the Armed Forces. Egyptian SF and SOF as a whole are a good example of that.

I agree with you. Less Rafales and more emphasis on the individual soldier is what I think is needed at the moment. However, one must also note that foreign manufacturers and states may also restrict or cut off the sale of such equipment in large quantities, due to the massive advantage given to the Egyptian Army in a potential conflict on its Eastern border. We have seen what happened in 1973 when Syrians used night optics for the first time, causing mass casualties. However, Egypt should also be able to manufacture these products. There must also be a regular army that is trained enough to use such equipment. The leadership can't think of buying expensive night optics and medkits when they are used by untrained conscripts, and I'm pretty sure that the painkillers in first aid would be stolen.

By the way guys, what @Frogman has said is true to some extent. Things aren't the best for the Egyptian Army currently, and yes, it is improving. But I would call @Frogman a critical patriot. Somebody who does love their homeland, but also knows what is wrong with it. We cannot stay resting on our laurels when there are urgent and pressing needs on Egypt and its army. We need to pinpoint our weaknesses and eliminate them.

 

[Harpcore_lover]

I saw some weird uniform today, similar to the egg splatter uniform and the soldier had a patch on his soldier with a palm tree sign in it what's that lom

I saw some weird uniform today, similar to the egg splatter uniform and the soldier had a patch on his soldier with a palm tree sign in it what's that lom

On it* lol*